4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #89

[Chloegirl]

Something has been the back of my mind for a long time and I think it just came to the surface more. Maybe it's just me, but BK has reminded me of Timothy McVeigh for a while. Maybe it's a physicality or a mindset. I am just trying to put my finger on it now. Possibly similar energy. IDK. Something justified in his world view. I wish I could articulate it better.

PrimeTime: Inside McVeigh's Mind

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[Helechawagirl]

Something has been the back of my mind for a long time and I think it just came to the surface more. Maybe it's just me, but BK has reminded me of Timothy McVeigh for a while. Maybe it's a physicality or a mindset. I am just trying to put my finger on it now. Possibly similar energy. IDK. Something justified in his world view. I wish I could articulate it better.

PrimeTime: Inside McVeigh's Mind

abcnews.go.com

Maybe it’s the lack of emotion—the deadness in their eyes…idk but I know what you mean.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I suspected Howard B was probably a complete dolt before this special, after hearing what he had to say, he removed any doubt.

Him stating that BK had no connection to the victims, therefore no motive, therefore no case is about as lame as it gets. The Prosecution doesn't have to prove motive. There are literally hundreds of stranger murders committed every year.

How can you explain the mind of a deranged mass murderer? You can't, but I would guess that BK was intent to destroy innocent, beautiful lives that night because he could never fit into that world.

I'm sick of hearing about HIS problems; overweight, bullied, VSS, etc. We need to remember the true victims here and they are:

Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan, may justice come mightily to them and their loved ones.

JMO

 

[arielilane]

See a timeline of the case:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1703233815638946086

Idaho student murders: A timeline of the killings and investigation

Four University of Idaho students are discovered dead on Nov.13, 2022. Inside the investigation that led to an arrest in the case.

www.cbsnews.com

"48 Hours" and correspondent Peter Van Sant reveal new information about the case against Bryan Kohberger for the Nov. 13, 2022, deaths of four University of Idaho students in "The Night of the Idaho Student Murders" airing Saturday, Sept. 16, 2023 at 10/9c on CBS and streaming on Paramount+.

Four University of Idaho students are discovered stabbed to death on Nov. 13, 2022. What led officials to an arrest in the case? See key dates in the investigation.

Nov. 13, 2022: Off-campus murders​

Four University of Idaho students are found dead in the off-campus home where three of the victims lived in Moscow, Idaho. They had been brutally stabbed to death. The victims are identified as Ethan Chapin, 20, of Conway, Washington; Madison Mogen, 21, of Coeur d'Alene, Idaho; Xana Kernodle, 20, of Avondale, Arizona; and Kaylee Goncalves, 21, of Rathdrum, Idaho.

Nov. 15, 2022: The murder weapon​

The Moscow Police Department issues a statement saying an "edged weapon such as a knife" was used in the killings. No murder weapon has been found.

Nov. 16, 2022: Police press conference​

The Moscow Police Department holds a press conference about the murders. Police Chief James Fry says it was a targeted attack. "We do not have a suspect at this time and that individual is still out there."

Nov. 17, 2022: Cause of death​

The Latah County Coroner's Office reports the victims were likely asleep when they were stabbed with a large knife. Some even had defensive wounds. [...] remaining timeline follows at link

Idaho student murders: A timeline of the killings and investigation

Four University of Idaho students are discovered dead on Nov.13, 2022. Inside the investigation that led to an arrest in the case.

www.cbsnews.com

Father of Kaylee Goncalves, one of four murdered University of Idaho students, says there is evidence his daughter fought back

Family of one of the murdered University of Idaho students shares details that their daughter tried to escape the attack.

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"I don't know why it happened," Jazzmin Kernodle, sister of Xana Kernodle, told "48 Hours" correspondent Peter Van Sant in her first interview. "I wish we knew. They were, all four of them were, just such great people and made such an impact on the lives around them."

Jazzmin and her father, Jeffrey Kernodle, spoke with Van Sant in "The Night of the Idaho Murders," airing Saturday, Sept. 16, at 10/9c on CBS, and streaming on Paramount+. Van Sant asked Jeffrey Kernodle about reports that his daughter, Xana, fought back against the attacker.

"I believe so," Kernodle replied. "It's upsetting to think about."

 

[maskedwoman]

Was just thinking....

So if the defense is going with the "well, he was out because he always drives around late at night (because he can't sleep)," how are they going to explain his phone going off the network for that big chunk of time? They can't claim he lost connection there for that entire time. So, he just happens to like driving around at 3 am without streaming any music/podcast from his phone to his car speakers, and he knows the roads so well in the dark that he has no need for Google Maps?

Plus, if he was often out driving around late at night, there should be ample proof of that in his phone records. Innocent or guilty, he would have no reason to change his normal routine so he should have been having late night drives until the very end.

 

[arielilane]

Glad to see some of the family members are speaking about their loved ones, they are the ones who matter, and they're their voices. moo


Kaylee Goncalves’ sister, Alivea, says in the hours following the murders, she began uncovering clues about Kaylee’s whereabouts before her death — clues she said she shared with the police...

https://cbsn.ws/3GNVDnl

https://twitter.com/x/status/1703232024587235626

 

[Cool Cats]

Plus, if he was often out driving around late at night, there should be ample proof of that in his phone records. Innocent or guilty, he would have no reason to change his normal routine so he should have been having late night drives until the very end.

Very good point I never heard mentioned. That if he normally drove at night, not stalking King Rd, then his phone would show him out driving between the murders and the time he left Washington, over 4 weeks.

If his phone doesn't show this it is circumstantial evidence I think they could use.

LE said they were investigating his activities before and after the murders including in Pennsylvania which also should show him going for drives.

The investigation of all this was after his arrest.

Idaho killings suspect waives extradition from Pennsylvania | CNN

The suspect in the November slaying of four University of Idaho students waived extradition from his home state of Pennsylvania to face murder charges in the state of Idaho.

www.cnn.com

 

[TL4S]

Very good point I never heard mentioned. That if he normally drove at night, not stalking King Rd, then his phone would show him out driving between the murders and the time he left Washington, over 4 weeks.

If his phone doesn't show this it is circumstantial evidence I think they could use.

LE said they were investigating his activities before and after the murders including in Pennsylvania which also should show him going for drives.

The investigation of all this was after his arrest.

Idaho killings suspect waives extradition from Pennsylvania | CNN

The suspect in the November slaying of four University of Idaho students waived extradition from his home state of Pennsylvania to face murder charges in the state of Idaho.

www.cnn.com

I think phone records will be important to show whether he turned it off regularly in the middle of the night, especially during his "drives." If he didn't, that makes the morning of the 13th even more suspicious. Jmo.

 

[Cool Cats]

I think phone records will be important to show whether he turned it off regularly in the middle of the night, especially during his "drives." If he didn't, that makes the morning of the 13th even more suspicious. Jmo.

Yes!

During those 12 drives did he turn off his phone? Or only turn it off on that one night?

Too much of a coincidence if he only turned it off that one night, especially given the time it was off.

 

[TL4S]

Mother of Idaho murders victim Kaylee Goncalves says evidence shows she was "trapped"

 

[Cool Cats]

Bryan Kohberger's 'unprecedented' pretrial privileges include vegan food, new suits, computer: victim's dad​

Bryan Kohberger's 'unprecedented' pretrial privileges include vegan food, new suits, computer: victim's dad

Idaho student murders suspect Bryan Kohberger may be getting special treatment, according to the father of Kaylee Goncalves, who says he's been denied public records.

www.yahoo.com

"I've been informed that his pretrial privileges, like his five suits, video and computer special treatment and vegan meals are unprecedented in the history of Idaho," Kaylee Goncalves' father, Steve Goncalves, told Fox News Digital.

Goncalves said he tried to find out who paid for the suits and get other information about the defense budget through a public records request, but it was denied under a gag order on the case.

"They won't tell us," he said. "But I witnessed the moment they agreed not to handcuff him in court."

 

[SpiderFalcon]

Very good point I never heard mentioned. That if he normally drove at night, not stalking King Rd, then his phone would show him out driving between the murders and the time he left Washington, over 4 weeks.

If his phone doesn't show this it is circumstantial evidence I think they could use.

LE said they were investigating his activities before and after the murders including in Pennsylvania which also should show him going for drives.

The investigation of all this was after his arrest.

Idaho killings suspect waives extradition from Pennsylvania | CNN

The suspect in the November slaying of four University of Idaho students waived extradition from his home state of Pennsylvania to face murder charges in the state of Idaho.

www.cnn.com

FROM THE PCA

 

[Helechawagirl]

Some are saying that no dna evidence was found in his car or apartment. Do we know that as fact or could they have collected evidence that they don’t have to reveal yet?

 

[10ofRods]

Some are saying that no dna evidence was found in his car or apartment. Do we know that as fact or could they have collected evidence that they don’t have to reveal yet?

I think that's coming from AT (the Defense) and we have no reason to disbelieve her. She was pretty much crowing about the fact that there's "no known" connection between BK, his apartment or car, and the victims (which I take to mean "no victim DNA or hair in any of those places.") A lot of people on the internet felt that unless there was victim blood/DNA somewhere in his car or home, that the DNA at the scene wasn't enough (!)

So, I was very very disappointed, but had prepared myself all along for it, because I believe the killer's main goal was to avoid a lot of blood on himself and that he took steps ("The Perfect Crime Planner" playbook) to keep victim blood out of his car.

If there is such evidence, than AT has denied its existence publicly. I guess it remains to be seen, at trial.

IMO.

 

[Balthazar]

Some are saying that no dna evidence was found in his car or apartment. Do we know that as fact or could they have collected evidence that they don’t have to reveal yet?

The Defense says there was no victim DNA evidence found in his car, office, apartment or his parents house. There was "precious little" evidence found at all. All of this is according to Ann Taylor who has seen the actual discovery and wrote this in a court filing. Defense attorneys are not permitted to lie in court filings or anything they do or say in court as they could be fined, jailed or disbarred or all of those things. It is against the law in Idaho for the Prosecution or Defense to keep secret evidence.

 

[kittythehare]

Some are saying that no dna evidence was found in his car or apartment. Do we know that as fact or could they have collected evidence that they don’t have to reveal yet?

Well, if he wore PPE and was extra careful using shoe covers, gloves etc etc , there is no reason for victims' DNA to be in his vehicle or his apartment.

 

[TL4S]

Some are saying that no dna evidence was found in his car or apartment. Do we know that as fact or could they have collected evidence that they don’t have to reveal yet?

Bryan Kohberger lawyer says no victim DNA found in suspect's home or car

"It remains unclear what the police first relied on in focusing their investigation on Mr. Kohberger," Jay Weston Logsdon, an attorney with the Kootenai County Public Defender's office, wrote in the recent filing.

"No matter what came first, the car or the genetic genealogy, the investigation has provided precious little. There is no connection between Mr. Kohberger and the victims. There is no explanation for the total lack of DNA evidence from the victims in Mr. Kohberger's apartment, office, home, or vehicle."

 

[SpiderFalcon]

Bryan Kohberger lawyer says no victim DNA found in suspect's home or car

"It remains unclear what the police first relied on in focusing their investigation on Mr. Kohberger," Jay Weston Logsdon, an attorney with the Kootenai County Public Defender's office, wrote in the recent filing.

"No matter what came first, the car or the genetic genealogy, the investigation has provided precious little. There is no connection between Mr. Kohberger and the victims. There is no explanation for the total lack of DNA evidence from the victims in Mr. Kohberger's apartment, office, home, or vehicle."

To me, there is every explanation for the "total lack of DNA evidence from the victims in Mr. Kohberger's apartment, office, home, or vehicle." 47 days of clean up.

 

[10ofRods]

Bryan Kohberger lawyer says no victim DNA found in suspect's home or car

"It remains unclear what the police first relied on in focusing their investigation on Mr. Kohberger," Jay Weston Logsdon, an attorney with the Kootenai County Public Defender's office, wrote in the recent filing.

"No matter what came first, the car or the genetic genealogy, the investigation has provided precious little. There is no connection between Mr. Kohberger and the victims. There is no explanation for the total lack of DNA evidence from the victims in Mr. Kohberger's apartment, office, home, or vehicle."

::Raises hand excitedly!!:: I have an explanation (which is the same as @kittythehare 's explanation).

He wore protective clothing and he cleaned compulsively after the murders! Neighbor said he had a habit of vacuuming at night. He ran bleach down his drains, did his laundry at an unknown laundromat.

But what he did, mainly, is choose a murder style that diminished the amount of blood he got on himself (keeping the comforter between himself and his first victim, IMO, and attempting to do the same with his second). He still stepped in blood, with at least one foot. I do not think he had blood dripping from his knife (he had a black coverall on, IMO, which he removed before getting into the car)

How the State will make this argument in court, I do not know. Hopefully they will have at least one blood spatter expert who is willing to talk about things that murderers can do to prevent more blood evidence. The Van's should be the focus. Killer wore a certain shoe, it got bloody, he had a month and many opportunities to destroy/rid himself of those Van's.

It'll be a crucial part of the case, at trial, I think.

IMO.

 

[TL4S]

::Raises hand excitedly!!:: I have an explanation (which is the same as @kittythehare 's explanation).

He wore protective clothing and he cleaned compulsively after the murders! Neighbor said he had a habit of vacuuming at night. He ran bleach down his drains, did his laundry at an unknown laundromat.

But what he did, mainly, is choose a murder style that diminished the amount of blood he got on himself (keeping the comforter between himself and his first victim, IMO, and attempting to do the same with his second). He still stepped in blood, with at least one foot. I do not think he had blood dripping from his knife (he had a black coverall on, IMO, which he removed before getting into the car)

How the State will make this argument in court, I do not know. Hopefully they will have at least one blood spatter expert who is willing to talk about things that murderers can do to prevent more blood evidence. The Van's should be the focus. Killer wore a certain shoe, it got bloody, he had a month and many opportunities to destroy/rid himself of those Van's.

It'll be a crucial part of the case, at trial, I think.

IMO.

Yeah. There might not be any victim DNA is his apartment, car, home, or office, but his DNA was in a very suspicious place in the victims' home...