4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #89

[Sozo]

People use aliases on SM all the time and Entin could only do internet searches, he didn't have search warrants to any SM which would reveal BK's ATT account and his IP address and his email address that is required to use to sign up, etc... Make your Instagram account private | Instagram …

Entin is scarce on sources citing "I was told."

People magazine saw a BK's account so they could collaborate the LE source that said BK messaged and "pestered" a victim who ignored him.

There is a ton of online presence related to BK.

2 Cents

What? The Goncalves family is saying they did exactly what Brian Entin did: search insta accounts with the name of Bryan Kohberger after the arrest, Entin did this before the name got public and he didn't find one. The family found one that appeared to be his, they are not even sure that it's real. And there is no instagram (Meta) search warrant for him? And who believes People magazines instead of official court documents? The account the family is found and showed on 48 hours has Bryan Kohberger as the account name, not an alias.

 

[Cool Cats]

What? The Goncalves family is saying they did exactly what Brian Entin did: search insta accounts with the name of Bryan Kohberger after the arrest, Entin did this before the name got public and he didn't find one. The family found one that appeared to be his, they not even sure that it's real. And there is no instagram (Meta) search warrant for him? And who believes People magazines instead of official court documents? The account the family is found and showed on 48 hours has Bryan Kohberger as the account name, not an alias.

They searched Meta Data associated with his Google account. You can link an account from a third-party app or service to your Google Account. Once linked, you can interact with that third-party app or service on devices that are signed in to your Google Account.

 

[Sozo]

They searched Meta Data associated with his Google account. You can link an account from a third-party app or service to your Google Account. Once linked, you can interact with that third-party app or service on devices that are signed in to your Google Account.

His social media warrants are for reddit, tiktok, yikyak, twitter, strava and tinder. There is no instagram (meta) warrant for him. There are for the victims and Dylan and Bethany.
And no they didn't searched Meta accounts associated with his Google account. Come on if he had one they would got a search warrant for it, just like for his other socials.

 

[Cool Cats]

His social media warrants are for reddit, tiktok, yikyak, twitter, strava and tinder.

A ton of google too.

 

[Sundog]

I'm speechless.. I haven't seen one mention of his crotch. Just why? Nobody is looking there nor do cameras in the courtroom want to focus there. I've seen some crazy defense ideas/distractions/red herrings.. but this has to be the top of the coo coo list.

This actually was a big issue on social media. We discussed the "zipper event"
here on WS as well, back on thread #88 from about post #476 to #494.

So not a red herring by the defense, by any means, and a good example of how contemporary media can be harmful when it comes to a fair trial for a defendant.

 

[Sozo]

A ton of google too.

Yes i know but i don't consider Google a social media accout.

 

[Balthazar]

Yes i know but i don't consider Google a social media accout.

No one considers Google social media anymore. They used to have Google+ which actually was social media which launched in 2011 but it was shut down permanently in 2018 because it never gained the popularity of other social media platforms.

I agree with you, the Goncalves family thought it was BK's account on Instagram. However, without any subsequent search warrant for BK's Instagram, what the Goncalves' found is extremely unlikely to be BK's Instagram account.

 

[katydid23]

Yes!

During those 12 drives did he turn off his phone? Or only turn it off on that one night?

Too much of a coincidence if he only turned it off that one night, especially given the time it was off.

I see some people arguing that he may have shut his cell off because the battery was low and he wanted to save it.

How many people his age don't have a car charger for their phone?

 

[katydid23]

FROM THE PCAView attachment 447663

I've heard the excuse for this and it does not make sense, imo.

People say 'of course he didn't return to Moscow area after the murders. ...he was frightened away because of the gruesome crime.'

That doesn't ring true to me. The murders were a deadly home invasion committed in the middle of the night, primarily against 3 college girls, including the boyfriend of one. Why would that frighten BK from taking his nightly drives in that area?---no one was attacked in their vehicle. JMO

 

[katydid23]

The Defense says there was no victim DNA evidence found in his car, office, apartment or his parents house. There was "precious little" evidence found at all. All of this is according to Ann Taylor who has seen the actual discovery and wrote this in a court filing. Defense attorneys are not permitted to lie in court filings or anything they do or say in court as they could be fined, jailed or disbarred or all of those things. It is against the law in Idaho for the Prosecution or Defense to keep secret evidence.

First of all, why would anyone expect there to be 'evidence' in his office or parents house, at all?

His car and apartment likely had some forensic evidence for a few days at least. But 47 days later??? He was getting his Masters in criminology. So he knew what they would look for. He had plenty of time to clean and reclean and clean again.

His car would have been a goldmine if they had arrested him on the 13th. IMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I'm speechless.. I haven't seen one mention of his crotch. Just why? Nobody is looking there nor do cameras in the courtroom want to focus there. I've seen some crazy defense ideas/distractions/red herrings.. but this has to be the top of the coo coo list.

IIRC it was something to do with he hadn't zipped his fly up fully after a bathroom break and therefore became a point of discussion.

 

[Sozo]

First of all, why would anyone expect there to be 'evidence' in his office or parents house, at all?

His car and apartment likely had some forensic evidence for a few days at least. But 47 days later??? He was getting his Masters in criminology. So he knew what they would look for. He had plenty of time to clean and reclean and clean again.

His car would have been a goldmine if they had arrested him on the 13th. IMO

There is no evidence of cleaning otherwise the defense wouldn't have said that there is no explanation for the total lack of DNA. This is from their motion:

No matter what came first, the car or the genetic genealogy, the investigation has provided precious little.There is no connection between Mr. Kohberger and the victims.There is no explanation for the total lack of DNA evidence from the victimsin Mr.Kohberger’s apartment, office home, or vehicle.

This means they did not detect cleaning chemicals in his car that would have used to get rid of DNA. I think it also means that they didn't find any kind of protective clothing and other gears/tools in his possession/which he bought
that would have helped him not to transfer DNA onto his car.


There were many detailed, lenghty posts here on Websleuths for example from 10ofrods explaining that it would be impossible to not to find DNA evidence in his car no matter how hard he cleaned or what kind of protection he used. Many experts also had this same opinion, they were all expecting a treasure trove of evidence in his car.

 

[Boxer]

There is no evidence of cleaning otherwise the defense wouldn't have said that there is no explanation for the total lack of DNA. This is from their motion:

No matter what came first, the car or the genetic genealogy, the investigation has provided precious little.There is no connection between Mr. Kohberger and the victims.There is no explanation for the total lack of DNA evidence from the victimsin Mr.Kohberger’s apartment, office home, or vehicle.

This means they did not detect cleaning chemicals in his car that would have used to get rid of DNA. I think it also means that they didn't find any kind of protective clothing and other gears/tools in his possession/which he bought
that would have helped him not to transfer DNA onto his car.


There were many detailed, lenghty posts here on Websleuths for example from 10ofrods explaining that it would be impossible to not to find DNA evidence in his car no matter how hard he cleaned or what kind of protection he used. Many experts also had this same opinion, they were all expecting a treasure trove of evidence in his car.

A criminology student is going to be aware of all the transfer points and take precautions.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

It is possible he could have switched his own car out for the exact same make and model?

 

[girlhasnoname]

I think that's coming from AT (the Defense) and we have no reason to disbelieve her. She was pretty much crowing about the fact that there's "no known" connection between BK, his apartment or car, and the victims (which I take to mean "no victim DNA or hair in any of those places.") A lot of people on the internet felt that unless there was victim blood/DNA somewhere in his car or home, that the DNA at the scene wasn't enough (!)

So, I was very very disappointed, but had prepared myself all along for it, because I believe the killer's main goal was to avoid a lot of blood on himself and that he took steps ("The Perfect Crime Planner" playbook) to keep victim blood out of his car.

If there is such evidence, than AT has denied its existence publicly. I guess it remains to be seen, at trial.

IMO.

True, but AT did state that fairly early on. I believe the State has received back damning testing (you know they took that Elantra apart, scoured every computer, hard drive, CAST records etc.) from other sources since then.

Of course the Defense isn't going to give us a more accurate update "Oooopsie". They put that out in the media like they have done so many other things, much more than the State has IMO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

It is possible he could have switched his own car out for the exact same make and model?

I don't see how he could have done that without leaving a paper trail.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Plus I was waiting to see if the State would dispute the defense statement in their reply motion that there is no connection between BK and the victims and no explanation for the lack of victim DNA in his car, home, etc. They did not dispute it.
That's very telling. Just imagine how much risk the defense took if they lied about all these. How foolish, and unprofessional they would look if the state exposed them. The defense wouldn't take such risk, they know what they were doing, and what they could expect from the state.

The State is under a gag order and has no advantage to argue the Defense's many accusatory Motions in response. They're saving their ammo for the trial.

Which is opposite of what the Defense is doing, even though they are constantly crying about 'poor BK' being tried in the media. Go figure.

MOO

 

[maskedwoman]

I see some people arguing that he may have shut his cell off because the battery was low and he wanted to save it.

How many people his age don't have a car charger for their phone?

How many people of any age who own a cell phone don't have a car charger? They are cheap, you can buy one almost anywhere and there is nothing that makes BK's generation crazier than not being able to text, google, etc any time they want. I have one because it would make me cranky and I'm more than twice his age. LOL

 

[girlhasnoname]

There is no evidence of cleaning otherwise the defense wouldn't have said that there is no explanation for the total lack of DNA. This is from their motion:

No matter what came first, the car or the genetic genealogy, the investigation has provided precious little.There is no connection between Mr. Kohberger and the victims.There is no explanation for the total lack of DNA evidence from the victimsin Mr.Kohberger’s apartment, office home, or vehicle.

This means they did not detect cleaning chemicals in his car that would have used to get rid of DNA. I think it also means that they didn't find any kind of protective clothing and other gears/tools in his possession/which he bought
that would have helped him not to transfer DNA onto his car.


There were many detailed, lenghty posts here on Websleuths for example from 10ofrods explaining that it would be impossible to not to find DNA evidence in his car no matter how hard he cleaned or what kind of protection he used. Many experts also had this same opinion, they were all expecting a treasure trove of evidence in his car.

BBM
The Defense can make that statement if that is their opinion. That was also earlier on in the case and I'm sure there has been testing and further evidence coming in to both the State and Defense. Of course you won't hear AT & Company correct themselves....ooopsie.

BK had enough Criminal Justice education to know how to protect his car from evidence. Plastic sheeting, plastic coverall, gloves, etc. He could have stripped his clothes, shoes, etc off outside afterwards and stuffed them into a garbage bag and slipped into something else. Gray Hughes reenactment video says the car could have had approx 3-4 minutes outside before pulling off. That's plenty of time.

I don't recall @10ofRods explicitly stating that it would be impossible to not find DNA evidence in his car, but if you have that post I'd be happy to reevaluate it.

MOO

 

[Montecore1]

There were many detailed, lenghty posts here on Websleuths for example from 10ofrods explaining that it would be impossible to not to find DNA evidence in his car no matter how hard he cleaned or what kind of protection he used. Many experts also had this same opinion, they were all expecting a treasure trove of evidence in his car.

I don't recall @10ofRods explicitly stating that it would be impossible to not find DNA evidence in his car, but if you have that post I'd be happy to reevaluate it.

Absolutely 10ofRods suggested just how difficult it would be to remove all the DNA from a car, even going as far a describing the seat belt material and so forth, the brake/gas pedals and other areas of the car. It was a detailed and great post by her and made 100% sense (as she usually does) of how LE's forensics work.

From just a real quick search...Im sure there is more, (I believe even much more in depth to the process), what she states makes perfect sense, Hopefully she will chime in and help give some understanding to why there is no DNA basically anywhere for BK

4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, 2022 #78

Thanks, @Nila Aella Sounds like it's "all about the DNA" testing details, IMO. Well, I'd say the phone movements are important as well. They correspond to the Elantra arriving near 1122 at a time corresponding to his departure from Pullman. He turns his phone off. That's evidence. Then a car...

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