4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #90

[BeginnerSleuther]

What makes you think the messages were about murders? Did DM actually say that at the vigil?

I didn't see anyone say anything about DM. It was Zanna. But yes.

Might the texts not have been more general, if someone expected to meet up with any one of the four that morning?

No.

Did she really reveal the content of the texts? Do you have a timestamp for that particular thing?

Yes. Timestamp posted many posts ago at 20:20.

 

[maskedwoman]

What makes you think the messages were about murders? Did DM actually say that at the vigil?

Might the texts not have been more general, if someone expected to meet up with any one of the four that morning?

Did she really reveal the content of the texts? Do you have a timestamp for that particular thing?

TIA. My impression of the social world of college students is that they text each other (from inside the same house or across town or across the nation). Sunday morning is the best time to meet up, to talk about the events of Friday and Saturday (parties both nights) and to take leave of Kayleigh, who was going away indefinitely. Many friends probably had the numbers of everyone who lived in the house.

Anyone else watch the whole video? I'm not able to, today. Why isn't News Nation reporting on it? It seems like this is HUGE. Until I learn more, I'm going with "texts and messages arrived on DM's silenced phone during the morning" which is not surprising. If someone was trying to get hold of Ethan, for example, that would explain why DM goes up to that door at around 11:30.

I see no evidence that a crowd had already gathered outside or that news of murder was spreading at 9 am. Would love to know exactly where this timeline-changing bombshell is coming from. I raised two daughters and currently have a teen granddaughter. Their phones were/are routinely blown up with texts when they get up in the morning (including school mornings, actually). My students mention the same thing. It's much more common than actual phone calls, but those happen if texts aren't answered.

IMO. Or am I totally misunderstanding something about what DM said?

BBM Absolutely! Why yell across the house and possibly disturb everyone when you can silently text instead? Plus, texting provides privacy when you are in a multi-resident situation. I have seen a teen couple actually have an argument and break up via text while sitting in the same room.

 

[Balthazar]

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I didn't catch it until you mentioned it, but yes, definitely something for the defense to poke at, IMO.

I think it is something that LE definitely needs to investigate if they haven't already.

 

[10ofRods]

BBM Absolutely! Why yell across the house and possibly disturb everyone when you can silently text instead? Plus, texting provides privacy when you are in a multi-resident situation. I have seen a teen couple actually have an argument and break up via text while sitting in the same room.

Me too. I see such things on the daily. And I see people on TikTok posting long chains of messages to illustrate a point about someone or something. I have to say, I think all the texting is making students a bit more literate (all I have to do as a teacher is convince them to spell out "you" and "your" and use proper punctuation. And not use emojis, ha.

But my kids and grandkids text from within the house. And no where am I finding that Z (whose name should be redacted in my opinion) claims she had specific texts about the murders. But if she did, and LE was unaware, I'm sure she'll get a phone call. Not only will she get a phone call, but she'll be asked who actually texted her. I figure, though, that LE has already done this.

I am positive that by the time DM called H for help, she had already texted others. I am not sure why anyone would assume that the two survivors would wait to call 911 but not call or text friends for support first. It's one of the things that most people do first. We had a story here on WS where a young woman called her dad (who was hundreds of miles away) for help when she was worried about being stalked and he of course told her to call LE.

I got panicked phone calls from my younger daughter (mundane situation, but scary to her at the time) before she called police (which I told her to do). She needed to be told (she was 17). Young people don't like calling the police. Indeed, in a survey I did of 100 police persons, more than 80% said they try to avoid calling police themselves. I would be very surprised if DM merely called H and no one else. She called him before she called police, and that's in MSM and, I believe, LE documents. They did not, IMO, call LE until Hunter got there - unless all MSM is wrong about that.There was a whole half hour for H, BF and DM (and who knows who else) to text others. Group text is an ongoing thing - it's like the town crier.

I think Z is mistaken about her notion of time or didn't say she "knew about the murders." Why do I believe that? Because Brian Entin was right there when she spoke and has been hard pressed to find a single newsworthy thing to say about the vigil. That would have been newsworthy. There were local reporters there too (Entin interviews one of them and she too, has nothing new to say - despite being one of the journalists who covered this case most closely, locally).

I'll believe it when it's in print, but personally want one of the local newspapers to break that story. I'm sure someone here will find it when that happens.

IMO.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Kernodle’s sorority sister, Zanna Miller, said she remembered coming downstairs that morning and seeing upperclassmen on the floor crying. Her phone was riddled with texts and calls. And while she could recall when the dean of students showed up to tell Pi Beta Phi the news, it was more of a blur than anything.

'Remember the light these four brought to the world': University of Idaho killing victims are remembered one year later

A unifying message prevailed at a Monday night vigil to mark one year after four University of Idaho students were killed in an off-campus home.

www.spokesman.com

 

[Chloegirl]

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I think it is something that LE definitely needs to investigate if they haven't already.

There's been rumors going around for a long time that people knew earlier and texted each other but we don't have any evidence of that. Saying morning would have been a generalization although I understand your point completely. Sometimes people say the wrong time of day because their heads stuck there. IDK. It could be significant. @10ofRods it's a little confusing because this person's name is Zanna and she might look a little bit like Dylan. JMOO

 

[Chloegirl]

https://x.com/dugganreports/status/1724489163792330877?s=61&t=Vp-AZ81ShrhzLNqqCFHAgA

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'Remember the light these four brought to the world': University of Idaho killing victims are remembered one year later

A unifying message prevailed at a Monday night vigil to mark one year after four University of Idaho students were killed in an off-campus home.

www.spokesman.com

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Very touching thank you so much for sharing.

 

[Chloegirl]

Hold up I watched it again maybe my brain thought she said morning but when you replay it she says "I still remember waking up that Sunday".

It's very human to insert words where they're not actually said we fill in the gaps. My mind must have assumed she meant morning. Relisten. JMOO

 

[10ofRods]

Kernodle’s sorority sister, Zanna Miller, said she remembered coming downstairs that morning and seeing upperclassmen on the floor crying. Her phone was riddled with texts and calls. And while she could recall when the dean of students showed up to tell Pi Beta Phi the news, it was more of a blur than anything.

'Remember the light these four brought to the world': University of Idaho killing victims are remembered one year later

A unifying message prevailed at a Monday night vigil to mark one year after four University of Idaho students were killed in an off-campus home.

www.spokesman.com

Well, she's apparently got one event going in her mind, because the Dean of Students could not have shown up before noon. There's no way that an entire sorority and the Dean of Students knew about it before police knew, IMO.

I think there's a word off in the student's memory. The Dean of Students was likely notified by LE. After LE arrived on scene. In fact, I'd be very surprised if this grief event started before noon.

What we have is a student remembering that she "just woke up," and used the word 'morning" IMO.

While it's possible that the Dean of Students could have dressed and sped in their car to the sorority by 11:59 am. And that LE, instead of going to see what happened, just assumed murder and called the Dean of Students !S! - that didn't happen, folks). The most reasonable explanation is, just as DM said "bushy eyebrows" (when the real issue is that BK has a larger than average supraorbital bar and only mildly busy eyebrows, this young woman remembers that she had just awakened and therefore, it was "morning.") That's actually quite common.

At any rate, LE can look at various records - and talk to all the other sorority sisters (again). There was LE presence at the sororities and Sigma Chi on Monday, which was documented by various videos. They would have asked when and how people found out as a matter of course. Still, this young woman may well be interviewed again, which was probably not her intention, and I feel for her.

IMO.

 

[Chloegirl]

Yeah I heard it morning of not afternoon. Might have been in the very inner circle that got called quickly, discussions of notifications between friends has popped up a lot but not been confirmed. Without throwing shade to authorities, I'm thinking that if they called after 11:30 there must have been a mad scramble of students freaking out and texting each other, University officials reacting protectively, and the actual response and declaration time of deaths. It could simply be that she remembered it as morning of and I don't recall the exact time the alert went out. Anyone? Hang on I just answered my own question and found it at 1:04 p.m.

I'm not saying they doctored the call in time but I wonder if the officials sort of agreed to figure it out before announcing it to the public for a short time. Maybe they took a beat. Not going to lie, that bothers me but I don't think it necessarily blows up the case. JMOO

Edit: I am replying to my own post because I relistened and she doesn't specifically say morning. She says when I woke up that Sunday. I'm sure all of our minds are filling in the gap that that would be morning.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Edit: I am replying to my own post because I relistened and she doesn't specifically say morning. She says when I woke up that Sunday. I'm sure all of our minds are filling in the gap that that would be morning.

Agreed, I listened twice and she doesn't say morning.

This article does say morning, but most people just assume people wake up in the morning because that's normal.

'Remember the light these four brought to the world': University of Idaho killing victims are remembered one year later

A unifying message prevailed at a Monday night vigil to mark one year after four University of Idaho students were killed in an off-campus home.

www.spokesman.com

 

[katydid23]

Of course the defense will want to establish the mental state of the surviving students, as well as events at the house that evening and early morning, etc. But I don't see this in any way as "vilifying" the surviving students. Just what one would expect from the defense inn any trial, especially a death penalty trial.

My thoughts were that the DT are going to go with a SODDI defense, based upon the other male unknown DNA. It would be a natural move for them to try and tie that DNA to the survivors somehow.

And DM not calling 911 after seeing a masked man in her home at 4:30 am is going to be heavily questioned. Not calling until noon the next morning will receive even heavier cross examination, IMO. And it could include questions seeming to imply she was trying to delay the investigation for some unknown nefarious reasons.

The defense seemed to imply they were going to use the state's witnesses as alibi builders for their client. I think they might be referring to the survivors. If they were texting between themselves, about scary noises etc, it might help show they didn't have any knowledge of what was happening, so that would be good for them.

 

[katydid23]

Agreed, I listened twice and she doesn't say morning.

This article does say morning, but most people just assume people wake up in the morning because that's normal.

'Remember the light these four brought to the world': University of Idaho killing victims are remembered one year later

A unifying message prevailed at a Monday night vigil to mark one year after four University of Idaho students were killed in an off-campus home.

www.spokesman.com

That's normal for most adults to wake up in the morning.

But for college students, waking up at noon on a weekend, is probably normal for many.

 

[Swansee]

Actual vigil quote:
"I still remember waking up that Sunday. My phone was blowing up, I had 27 missed calls from multiple people, and messages, primarily consisting of "I'm sorry Zanna", "wake up Zanna", "please text me as soon as you see this". I remember being very scared and incredibly confused. I walked downstairs to find the majority of my upper classmen in tears on the living room floor. There were many hours between when we all woke up that day to when Dean Eckles came to our house that night and announced the news."
BBM for clarity.

 

[Deleted member 718]

Well, she's apparently got one event going in her mind, because the Dean of Students could not have shown up before noon. There's no way that an entire sorority and the Dean of Students knew about it before police knew, IMO.

I think there's a word off in the student's memory. The Dean of Students was likely notified by LE. After LE arrived on scene. In fact, I'd be very surprised if this grief event started before noon.

What we have is a student remembering that she "just woke up," and used the word 'morning" IMO.

While it's possible that the Dean of Students could have dressed and sped in their car to the sorority by 11:59 am. And that LE, instead of going to see what happened, just assumed murder and called the Dean of Students !S! - that didn't happen, folks). The most reasonable explanation is, just as DM said "bushy eyebrows" (when the real issue is that BK has a larger than average supraorbital bar and only mildly busy eyebrows, this young woman remembers that she had just awakened and therefore, it was "morning.") That's actually quite common.

At any rate, LE can look at various records - and talk to all the other sorority sisters (again). There was LE presence at the sororities and Sigma Chi on Monday, which was documented by various videos. They would have asked when and how people found out as a matter of course. Still, this young woman may well be interviewed again, which was probably not her intention, and I feel for her.

IMO.

I think it would help if you would actually listen to Ms Miller:

22:09
this I remember being very scared and Incredibly confused I walked downstairs to find a
22:17
majority of my upper classmate in tears on the living room
22:22
floor there were many hours between when we all woke up that day to When de Eckles came to our house that night and announced news I know I had many conversations and

 

[jepop]

Yes, that MORNIING.

No. She says she woke up that Sunday. I'm late to listening and see others have already heard for themselves. At approx 20:20 time stamp of your link.

 

[Balthazar]

There's been rumors going around for a long time that people knew earlier and texted each other but we don't have any evidence of that. Saying morning would have been a generalization although I understand your point completely. Sometimes people say the wrong time of day because their heads stuck there. IDK. It could be significant. @10ofRods it's a little confusing because this person's name is Zanna and she might look a little bit like Dylan. JMOO

I agree, it is possible she misspoke or gave the wrong impression.

I think what this boils down to is that because of all the rumors that students knew earlier than noon, LE needs to take this seriously and look into this and find out what time those calls and messages appeared on her phone. If they were before noon and before the 911 call, then LE needs to locate the original source of the messages and figure out what is going on. I have no opinion one way or the other as to if what she said was correct or not. It just needs to be investigated. She said the calls and messages were on her phone, so it should be easy to pull her phone records from that day to see when the calls and messages came in and settle this question once and for all IF LE has not done so already.

 

[10ofRods]

Hold up I watched it again maybe my brain thought she said morning but when you replay it she says "I still remember waking up that Sunday".

It's very human to insert words where they're not actually said we fill in the gaps. My mind must have assumed she meant morning. Relisten. JMOO

Ohhh, really? THANK you so much, because I cannot watch today. So my hypothesis was only slightly wrong. It wasn't the student who got the word wrong. Thank you so much.

It's really easy for each of us to substitute a word. "Waking up that Sunday" (and everyone else is already sobbing and grieving on the floor?) - of COURSE her phone had blown up already. The others heard before her. I do think Sigma Chi knew by 11:30 that something was terribly wrong and between 11:35 and 11:58, at least one of their members was present. In that period of time between opening the door and finding two bodies and the police's actual arrival sometime after 11:58 (so after noon) the friend of Ethan's had plenty of time to text members of Sigma Chi, most of whom probably had group texts going with other frats and sororities.

THANK you, makes so much sense.

Agreed, I listened twice and she doesn't say morning.

This article does say morning, but most people just assume people wake up in the morning because that's normal.

'Remember the light these four brought to the world': University of Idaho killing victims are remembered one year later

A unifying message prevailed at a Monday night vigil to mark one year after four University of Idaho students were killed in an off-campus home.

www.spokesman.com

Thank you too! I was about to lose sleep over it - it would have been a game changer if the Dean of Students was there right after Z. woke up in the morning!

Oh, the trauma all these kids went through. Blows my mind.

 

[Swansee]

I'm aware of the rumors.
There's also the CBS 48h special, where it is stated that Xana's sister Jazzmin was also made aware of what happened on the morning of the 13th.
Transcript of the segment:
Narrator: On Sunday morning, November 13th, Xana's friends started calling Jazzmin, saying something bad had happened on King Road. Jazzmin rushed over to Xana's house.
Interviewer: "And while you're driving that 8, 9 miles over to the house, are you trying to reach your sister then?
Jazzmin : Mhhmm (nodding yes)
Interviewer : How many times did you call her?
Jazzmin: A lot, I called her a lot. I called Ethan a lot.
Narrator: Her next call was to her father. Jeffrey had been visiting Jazzmin for Dads' weekend, and was on his way home.
Interviewer : So you answer the phone, what do you hear?
Jeffrey: I hear kind of, crying, and just telling me to get back to Moscow and meet me at Xana's house, and... You know my heart drops, instantly, I raced back down there"
See from 7:40 timestamp:

 

[10ofRods]

I think it would help if you would actually listen to Ms Miller:

22:09
this I remember being very scared and Incredibly confused I walked downstairs to find a
22:17
majority of my upper classmate in tears on the living room
22:22
floor there were many hours between when we all woke up that day to When de Eckles came to our house that night and announced news I know I had many conversations and

I can't. I'm not able to right now. It would be great aif people would continue to quote rather than paraphrase and I think when stating facts from videos, there should be a rough timestamp.

I only want to know whether Ms Miller said she got up "in the morning" as opposed to "when I woke up" (time indeterminate). That's been settled.

The way it was first reported her was quite different than the actual quotes lifted by you and others - which I TRULY appreciate.

Thank you.