4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #90

[Cool Cats]

We can't be sure this is true, unfortunately. They may have expanded the one male friend to "friends" to keep it a secret as to who was there and found 2 of the victims. The article also claims the victims were all asleep when killed which we know is untrue.

It is true there were additional people other than the two surviving roommates inside the house at the time the 911 call was made. It was specifically mentioned in the Moscow Police Department updated press release on 12-15-22.

King Road Homicides | Moscow, ID

www.ci.moscow.id.us

 

[jepop]

https://x.com/dugganreports/status/1724489163792330877?s=61&t=Vp-AZ81ShrhzLNqqCFHAgA

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'Remember the light these four brought to the world': University of Idaho killing victims are remembered one year later

A unifying message prevailed at a Monday night vigil to mark one year after four University of Idaho students were killed in an off-campus home.

www.spokesman.com

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Just wanted to thank you @Cindizzi for posting links on the thread to the vigils and memorials that occured this week. A year now since these terrible murders. Remembering the deceased victims and supporting in spirit the survivors in their ongoing movement towards healing. It's good to see these young people supporting and being supported in their communitiy. This week must be a confronting time for all concerned. I want to applaude UofI's students in their bravery. Moo

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

I doubt they will be relying upon this old cell ping map from the PCA time. That was put together almost a year ago. By the time they go to trial they will have much more detailed, accurate data.

They will have the CAST data by then:

(U) The CAST provides FBI FOs with access to a group of highly trained and well-equipped personnel who conduct cellular analysis and cellular network surveys. CAST assets are trained and certified to acquire cellular telephone evidence, as generated by cellular providers, in a manner suitable for use in a court of law.
UNCLASSIFIED//FOUO - (U) Cellular Analysis Survey Team Policy Guide

They should also have some satellite data to make it even more precise. JMO

The PCA was put forth quickly, and quite awhile ago. There has been so much more time and resources spent on this investigation since then. JMO

RBBM

Those are important caveats, MOO.

It’s also important to remember the State likely had a whole lot of evidence that wasn’t included in the PCA. IANAL, but friends who are tell me there’s strategy involved in what the State chooses to include in the PCA. They don’t typically give away the store, so to speak, in a PCA.

All MOO, as always.

 

[10ofRods]

It is true there were additional people other than the two surviving roommates inside the house at the time the 911 call was made. It was specifically mentioned in the Moscow Police Department updated press release on 12-15-22.

King Road Homicides | Moscow, ID

www.ci.moscow.id.us

Thank you so much. Also makes it clear that more than one person spoke to 911. Says "friends" in the house but not how many. Also says that the two roommates were worried about 2 people on the second floor and that it was the police who found dead persons on the second and then on the third floor.

I think the early accounts and tweets contain some truth - for sure. I just don't think there was a whole gathering outside of 1122 when the police arrived.

Is 3 people several?

 

[gremlin444]

I'm aware of the rumors.
There's also the CBS 48h special, where it is stated that Xana's sister Jazzmin was also made aware of what happened on the morning of the 13th.
Transcript of the segment:
Narrator: On Sunday morning, November 13th, Xana's friends started calling Jazzmin, saying something bad had happened on King Road. Jazzmin rushed over to Xana's house.
Interviewer: "And while you're driving that 8, 9 miles over to the house, are you trying to reach your sister then?
Jazzmin : Mhhmm (nodding yes)
Interviewer : How many times did you call her?
Jazzmin: A lot, I called her a lot. I called Ethan a lot.
Narrator: Her next call was to her father. Jeffrey had been visiting Jazzmin for Dads' weekend, and was on his way home.
Interviewer : So you answer the phone, what do you hear?
Jeffrey: I hear kind of, crying, and just telling me to get back to Moscow and meet me at Xana's house, and... You know my heart drops, instantly, I raced back down there"
See from 7:40 timestamp:

Note it is the 48 hours narrator--NOT Jazzmin--who uses the word "morning."

There were some other "small" details that 48 hours got wrong (as in inaccurate word choices, etc)--I'll have to try to find time tomorrow to look back through the threads here to see if I can find where they were discussed and pull them forward.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

SHEESH, yes CARE of.

I would be surprised if the Latah County Courthouse doesn't have the typical vault-like room wherein evidence is stored neatly in its own bins, drawers, trays, and areas. That sheath is in a safe deposit box like place, in sterile wrappings, IMO.

I can confirm there is a tightly controlled evidence vault in the Latah County courthouse for current cases.

For those unfamiliar, the Latah County courthouse houses not only the courtrooms, but also the Latah County Sheriff Department, the Latah County jail, and many county offices.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Me too. I see such things on the daily. And I see people on TikTok posting long chains of messages to illustrate a point about someone or something. I have to say, I think all the texting is making students a bit more literate (all I have to do as a teacher is convince them to spell out "you" and "your" and use proper punctuation. And not use emojis, ha.

But my kids and grandkids text from within the house. And no where am I finding that Z (whose name should be redacted in my opinion) claims she had specific texts about the murders. But if she did, and LE was unaware, I'm sure she'll get a phone call. Not only will she get a phone call, but she'll be asked who actually texted her. I figure, though, that LE has already done this.

I am positive that by the time DM called H for help, she had already texted others. I am not sure why anyone would assume that the two survivors would wait to call 911 but not call or text friends for support first. It's one of the things that most people do first. We had a story here on WS where a young woman called her dad (who was hundreds of miles away) for help when she was worried about being stalked and he of course told her to call LE.

I got panicked phone calls from my younger daughter (mundane situation, but scary to her at the time) before she called police (which I told her to do). She needed to be told (she was 17). Young people don't like calling the police. Indeed, in a survey I did of 100 police persons, more than 80% said they try to avoid calling police themselves. I would be very surprised if DM merely called H and no one else. She called him before she called police, and that's in MSM and, I believe, LE documents. They did not, IMO, call LE until Hunter got there - unless all MSM is wrong about that.There was a whole half hour for H, BF and DM (and who knows who else) to text others. Group text is an ongoing thing - it's like the town crier.

I think Z is mistaken about her notion of time or didn't say she "knew about the murders." Why do I believe that? Because Brian Entin was right there when she spoke and has been hard pressed to find a single newsworthy thing to say about the vigil. That would have been newsworthy. There were local reporters there too (Entin interviews one of them and she too, has nothing new to say - despite being one of the journalists who covered this case most closely, locally).

I'll believe it when it's in print, but personally want one of the local newspapers to break that story. I'm sure someone here will find it when that happens.

IMO.

RBBM.

Exactly!

And for me, it’s kind of sad to see people trying to dice & slice a loved one’s heartfelt & heartbreaking tribute to her dear friend at the “Remember the Light” vigil looking for a “gotcha” moment or something. MOO, of course.

 

[Balthazar]

Proof of what exactly?

Something a lady said 2 years later at a memorial service?

Some lady? Do you mean XK's sister JK, a year ago, when this case happened on Nov. 13, 2022 and one of XK's sorority sisters who spoke at the memorial last night on Nov. 13, 2023? I would not count either of these women as "some lady."

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

There were additional people other than the two surviving roommates inside the house where four University of Idaho students were found stabbed to death at the time the 911 call was made, police revealed Sunday. According to Moscow Police Chief James Fry, the 911 call was made using one of those roommates' phones, but he would not confirm the caller's identity.

Idaho college murders: Other friends were in house when 911 call made, police say

Police in Moscow, Idaho, said other friends were in the house when a 911 call was made following the fatal stabbings of four University of Idaho students a week ago.

abcnews.go.com

We learned this Nov 20 2022.

My favorite WS quote: Facts aren't feelings and feelings aren't facts.

And for those interested in the primary source:
https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/DocumentCenter/View/24745/11-20-22-Moscow-Homicide-Update

Also available is the 11/20/2022 MPD full presser:

Lanier talks specifically about the 911 call right around 5:10 in.

HTH!

 

[DFWNF]

While I think BK did it. I'll be the first to admit if I was accused of committing a crime and my cell phone records were ever scrutinized there would be 10000 page thread about it on Websleuths.

My cell phone's battery is dead most of the time. I'll often leave it at home if I run out quickly somewhere local. I need to ask my Homepods to help me find my iPhone in the house because I just leave it in random places for hours. My family knows that on weekends they should just call or text my wife because one or two of the aforementioned factors.

I do all of this stuff because I'm in technology and I'm just fatigued with it all. Which may sound benign and an innocent enough reason in this context. But if I was ever accused of committing and trying to cover up a crime it would probably sound flimsy, ridiculous and point to my guilt.

So I'm sure interested to see if the defense could pull other cell records and show us that this was normal behavior for BK.

This horribly tragic incident breaks my heart for the young ones, and their loved ones, families and friends. I must also state it makes me glad I do not have a phone.

 

[Swansee]

I just want to clarify something, although I can only speak for myself.
The gag order has left me (and I'm sure many others), grasping at any tidbit we can glean for hints about the details of what happened on November 12-13th.
I understand @North_Idaho_Nony 's impression that it is distasteful to be dissecting the words of a grieving friend at a vigil, but to me, this isn't about a gotcha at all. It's about trying to understand what happened that morning. IMO it would be normal that other students would have been aware that morning.
Speculation: DM calls HJ over, as he's leaving his fraternity someone asks where he's going in such a rush, and he mentions he has to go help DM because something bad happened at 1122, not sure what it is. The other fraternity guy says ok let me know what's going on over there and if you need help. Other students may simply be walking past the house around 11am and see unusual commotion. The text messages start to spread.
In this hypothetical scenario, or one like that , it would not be surprising for many students to be aware around or soon after 11am. It doesn't mean anyone did anything wrong.
It's just a tiny piece of the puzzle, and in itself it doesn't matter that much. I am impatient for this trial to start, and I am so thankful to JJJ for having allowed cameras so that the public will see firsthand when everything will be clarified and all our questions can be put to rest.
All JMO and speculation.

 

[Valen2]

If she did not say "morning" in the video, and the video shows that she didn't, then I'm not sure what this supposedly changes. It's been well known that the students texted each other and called each other before LE and when the discovery was made.

It can be difficult to understand how much texting plays a role in a college student's life, but it is second nature to them. They text constantly and think nothing of it. Sometimes, there are long chains of just one student texting another without replies, and then the opposite occurs. It's almost like a stream-of-consciousness thing.

 

[GOBliaison]

"...it makes me glad I do not have a phone."

Ohh, the boundless joy of validation!!
Thank you, thank you, thank you, @DFWNF !

 

[schooling]

If she did not say "morning" in the video, and the video shows that she didn't, then I'm not sure what this supposedly changes. It's been well known that the students texted each other and called each other before LE and when the discovery was made.

It can be difficult to understand how much texting plays a role in a college student's life, but it is second nature to them. They text constantly and think nothing of it. Sometimes, there are long chains of just one student texting another without replies, and then the opposite occurs. It's almost like a stream-of-consciousness thing.

There's been a lot of misreadings in this case that are split along generational divides.

I remember when some people were categorizing the late night drunken calls to the ex as suspicious. Yes, it is suspicious if cell phones weren't really a common thing when you were 18 - 22yrs old

 

[Balthazar]

It is true there were additional people other than the two surviving roommates inside the house at the time the 911 call was made. It was specifically mentioned in the Moscow Police Department updated press release on 12-15-22.

King Road Homicides | Moscow, ID

www.ci.moscow.id.us

Thank you so much! <modsnip: alluding to private discussions>

 

[Sundog]

I just want to clarify something, although I can only speak for myself.
The gag order has left me (and I'm sure many others), grasping at any tidbit we can glean for hints about the details of what happened on November 12-13th.
I understand @North_Idaho_Nony 's impression that it is distasteful to be dissecting the words of a grieving friend at a vigil, but to me, this isn't about a gotcha at all. It's about trying to understand what happened that morning. IMO it would be normal that other students would have been aware that morning.

I agree, I don't think posters want to disrespect the solemnity of the memorial event or the grieving family members, but are just trying to piece together the events of the morning of the murders in terms of the timeline and who all was there, etc. Details like that may be significant in the case as it goes to trial, we just don't know yet. I appreciate the posters who are discussing this issue, and also North_Idaho_Nony's concern to respect the living victims of this tragedy. I think we can do both.

 

[10ofRods]

RBBM.

Exactly!

And for me, it’s kind of sad to see people trying to dice & slice a loved one’s heartfelt & heartbreaking tribute to her dear friend at the “Remember the Light” vigil looking for a “gotcha” moment or something. MOO, of course.

I think this is a big reason why it bothered me. I will not be able to watch the vigil now, because such times are for emotions, not for me to continue to try and piece together what happened. I like to remain objective most of the time, but sometimes feelings must come in - and that's what these anniversary events are for, not just for me, but for many people.

My heart was with the people of Moscow on Monday and all week. My old law professor said, of US justice, "Justice grinds exceedingly slowly, but exceedingly fine.

Anyway, I know the people who gathered fully experienced what it was meant to be.

(IANAL, I dropped out).

 

[10ofRods]

If she did not say "morning" in the video, and the video shows that she didn't, then I'm not sure what this supposedly changes. It's been well known that the students texted each other and called each other before LE and when the discovery was made.

It can be difficult to understand how much texting plays a role in a college student's life, but it is second nature to them. They text constantly and think nothing of it. Sometimes, there are long chains of just one student texting another without replies, and then the opposite occurs. It's almost like a stream-of-consciousness thing.

I estimate that time window to be about 30 minutes (perhaps less, since I believe DM called someone in for help, perhaps two persons, although there are definitely small details here and there that make it sound as there are 2-3 scenarios, due to exactly the small changes in word choices in the little we've heard from various parties). I believe DM when she says she woke up around 11:30.

I do NOT think that anyone knew about the murders before DM went to investigate why her roommates weren't answering texts (she may have texted them at 11:30 or a little before or after. I think DM "got up at" 11:30, which does not mean that's when she *woke* up. I believe DM needed help from someone to get the door open. I do not believe (given what the PCA says) that extensive blood was found outside the door. The latent footprint is just a few yards away (meaning, it was already invisible). It's possible there was a visible bloody footprint, which - if I personally found such a thing in my house, I think my brain would short circuit.

Texting is just automatic for under 40's (and some of us older people are learning, too). For teens and 20-somethings, it's the communicative fabric of their lives. It's amazing how fast they can do it, how many new words and acronyms they invent, how quickly they invent private languages, etc. Some of these text chains are enormous (I'm on one with the young generations in two different parts of my family - I wake up every morning to about 25 texts, a handful of TikToks, and 10-12 Snapchats). Heck, I'm on one with colleagues, which goes dormant, but when anything unusual happens at work, there are like 20 of us talking for a few days and it's very much better than discussing things out in the hallway. We've grown closer, cleared the air, educated each other, helped each other, advised each other - it's great. The kids are the same way.

So, even if the texting began just after 11:58, word would have spread like wildfire. It likely began *before* 11:58. But IMO, it did not begin before then, nor did DM or BF get up at 8 or 9 in the morning (or 10) and see blood in the house and wait until 11:58 to call (as some youtubers are falsely claiming).

IMO, and IME.

 

[Chloegirl]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed>
You asked about the "morning" comment during the vigil. I'm hopeful that they are paying close attention and may have crossed referenced that comment to the investigation but you could call them with your idea? Just a thought.

 

[Balthazar]

If she did not say "morning" in the video, and the video shows that she didn't, then I'm not sure what this supposedly changes. It's been well known that the students texted each other and called each other before LE and when the discovery was made.

It can be difficult to understand how much texting plays a role in a college student's life, but it is second nature to them. They text constantly and think nothing of it. Sometimes, there are long chains of just one student texting another without replies, and then the opposite occurs. It's almost like a stream-of-consciousness thing.

IMO knowing what time the student texting started and who sent the first text would logically be worthwhile knowing. It could be important or it could be unimportant. For example: what would LE make of it if the texts began at 9am versus around noon? We don't know what time they began and there is no public information as to if this was investigated, so all I can suggest is that LE should definitely find out when the first message was sent and by whom if they have not already.