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I agree with you.
He thought they only had the car and possibly the cell phone data that showed it was off at the time.
His DNA was the show stopper and game changer
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I agree with you.
He thought they only had the car and possibly the cell phone data that showed it was off at the time.
His DNA was the show stopper and game changer
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Agree it was hate and sexual in nature
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Good summation.
Sweet! A great read. Sorry about your standards. Sorry about inadmissible evidence. We’re done here. I hope Let’s get the show on the road is next.
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I hope so, but my gut says an appeal is coming. She doesn't have anything else.
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No one is saying he raped anyone, that I gave seen.
I and another poster were discussing possible thoughts in BK's head. Pure speculation. We're all pretty familiar with this case and it's clear there was no rape. Indeed, it seems as if early LE statements implied there was no sexual crime at all (there are other sexual crimes besides rape which leave evidence).
I'm not sure how you would know whether he was thinking only about murder or possibly thinking about sex crimes and murder. Both types of criminals exist, which was my point. This is a very unusual crime. It is virtually the only crime of its type in the Mass Murder Database (most are either ideologically driven OR the people are known to each other - usually family related, but sometimes neighbors or colleagues). There are vanishingly few stranger mass murders in which there's also a home invasion (a house not lived in or previously visited by the perp). We have also speculated here about whether he had been in the house before (if I had to bet, I'd bet that he had been in the house).
We are not talking about an actual rape. We are talking about his mindset, possibly his worldview, his mentality, his motivations. I personally agree with you - that the motivation was either only or primarily rape. But I never narrow down to one hypothesis until there's more evidence. We simply do not know what was in his mind. I have personally interviewed criminals who had the intention of raping, found that to be impossible/not what was going to happen and switched to phase 2 (which was murder, all along). Many rapists DO murder their victims, usually because they think this removes a witness.
I can envision, as I said, a mindset in which a potential murderer also considers rape and is mentally aroused by the juxtaposition (especially as he's driving around, getting ready). None of us knows.
We are just speculating. Some people feel strongly that knife attacks are closely related to sexual attacks. SG's description of KG's wounds makes me think there's a possibility that there was a sexual element to the crime. In BK's mind.
I think discussing possible motivations is crucial in all crime cases, it's the main reason I study crime. It's the main reason many of us are here. I do not at all think the rape scenario is as ridiculous as all the other things you mention.
I could actually reshape the "rape" hypothesis into more words and point to some research about what goes on in the minds of rapists, but I've probably said enough. There are different academic theories on all of this, of course, but there is literature to support the fact that knife attacks, by a man, on a woman, may have a sexual element.
Let me ask you a question, though. Do you think he would have entered a house that had 4 men living in it, and killed a visitor who was a woman, while leaving 2 men alive? I believe he was targeting the house because he knew young women dwelt in it.
If he had killed 4 elderly people, yes, I'd be pondering whether he had something against the elderly and would regard it as a crime against the elderly. That's not what he did. He killed 3 women, all of whom had an outgoing, active, beautiful social media presence, with lots of male admirers (judging by the pre-murder instagram interactions and other clues from the internet).
This was a crime against women, IMO. It's just an opinion. We may never know. I doubt he'll take the stand. I doubt he'll write a book. I doubt he'll be interviewed.
All IMO.
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· Dec 15
Back in Moscow today.Students are packing up and heading home for winter breaks.When they come back, this house will no longer be here.
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The demolition of this home is another significant moment for this community.This house sits in an area densely populated by students, who walk by it every day.The university calls it a turning point, and another step forward in the healing process.
6:37 PM · Dec 14, 2023
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Back in Moscow today.Students are packing up and heading home for winter breaks.When they come back, this house will no longer be here.
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The demolition of this home is another significant moment for this community.This house sits in an area densely populated by students, who walk by it every day.The university calls it a turning point, and another step forward in the healing process.
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That's interesting. So which one, do you think? I assume you'll say MM.
There's no reason a person can't rape with a mask and gloves - Joe DeAngelo apparently used gloves (and possibly a mask). There are other examples of rapists who have used masks (esp during COVID). These days, I assume many of them know about fingerprints and might wear gloves (almost everyone had both masks and gloves available during COVID - and I still see a few people here and there wearing both).
Why would it matter to a rape whether the person was wearing masks and gloves? Since upon arrest, BK was separately trash into baggies, I assume his habits of fastidiousness are fairly baked in - and relevant to the crime at hand. He was careful.
(I know he didn't rape anyone, that we know of; I just think it's important to realize the facts and realities of crimes - all kinds of costumes are worn by rapists, IME and to my knowledge).
We don't know (at all) that he "wiped the sheath down." That's conjecture.
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Good. The prosecution said it would be inappropriate for a jury view. Contaminated with chemicals, stripped walls and flooring, everything moved out. When juries do walk throughs the building can't be like this, the building needs to represent the crime scene and not be disturbed like this. I don't know why people do not get this.
Should a notorious crime scene be demolished before trial?
At the house where four University of Idaho students were killed last year, sheets of plywood cover the windows. A temporary fence surrounds the yard. Security guards, posted in a blue trailer, keep watch 24 hours a day.
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The county prosecutor, Bill Thompson, told the university that he also did not object, because authorities did not think it would be needed for trial.
“The scene has been substantially altered from its condition at the time of the homicides including removal of relevant property and furnishings, removal of some structural items such as wallboard and flooring, and subjected to extensive chemical application creating a potential health hazard,” Thompson wrote in a separate email. “These are some of the reasons that we have concluded that a ‘jury view’ would not be appropriate.”
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WooHoo, let's get this show on the road, justice for Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan. BK needs to get to trial ASAP IMO. I just know that this Defense is going to drag their heels as long as they can, but at some point it's going to happen.
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Divine intervention IMO
Good. The prosecution said it would be inappropriate for a jury view. Contaminated with chemicals, stripped walls and flooring, everything moved out. When juries do walk throughs the building can't be like this, the building needs to represent the crime scene and not be disturbed like this. I don't know why people do not get this.
Should a notorious crime scene be demolished before trial?
At the house where four University of Idaho students were killed last year, sheets of plywood cover the windows. A temporary fence surrounds the yard. Security guards, posted in a blue trailer, keep watch 24 hours a day.
Absolutely! If the building had been damaged by a storm and molded, burned to the ground by arson or lightning, or shredded by a vandalizing bear, it wouldn’t matter. All the documentation has made.Good. The prosecution said it would be inappropriate for a jury view. Contaminated with chemicals, stripped walls and flooring, everything moved out. When juries do walk throughs the building can't be like this, the building needs to represent the crime scene and not be disturbed like this. I don't know why people do not get this.
Should a notorious crime scene be demolished before trial?
At the house where four University of Idaho students were killed last year, sheets of plywood cover the windows. A temporary fence surrounds the yard. Security guards, posted in a blue trailer, keep watch 24 hours a day.
The county prosecutor, Bill Thompson, told the university that he also did not object, because authorities did not think it would be needed for trial.
“The scene has been substantially altered from its condition at the time of the homicides including removal of relevant property and furnishings, removal of some structural items such as wallboard and flooring, and subjected to extensive chemical application creating a potential health hazard,” Thompson wrote in a separate email. “These are some of the reasons that we have concluded that a ‘jury view’ would not be appropriate.”
It’s just a sad site now.
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MOSCOW, ID. — A judge in Moscow has denied two motions from suspected Moscow killer Bryan Kohberger to dismiss the charges against him.
Kohberger's defense team wanted the grand jury indictment dismissed, saying the jurors were given improper instructions about the level of probable cause needed to indict him.
Kohberger claimed that the standard of proof for a grand jury to return an indictment was "beyond a reasonable doubt," arguing for the dismissal of the indictment. The State then argued that "probable cause" for an indictment is settled in Idaho, saying there is no dispute that the standard applied by the grand jury to justify the indictment was "probable cause."
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Dec 18, 2023 Updated 33 min ago
Kohberger's defense team wanted the grand jury indictment dismissed, saying the jurors were given improper instructions about the level of probable cause needed to indict him.
Kohberger claimed that the standard of proof for a grand jury to return an indictment was "beyond a reasonable doubt," arguing for the dismissal of the indictment. The State then argued that "probable cause" for an indictment is settled in Idaho, saying there is no dispute that the standard applied by the grand jury to justify the indictment was "probable cause."
Moscow murders suspect's motion to dismiss indictment denied
A judge in Moscow has denied two motions from suspected Moscow killer Bryan Kohberger to dismiss the charges against him.
Dec 18, 2023 Updated 33 min ago
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The judge wrote that the defense arguments were "historically interesting and creative," but did not overturn Idaho's interpretation of case law.
Moscow murders suspect's motion to dismiss indictment denied
Moscow murders suspect's motion to dismiss indictment denied
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Does anyone know if there are anymore motions judge Judge has to rule on as of now?
I wonder if a change of venue motion will be filed?
In some States courts must try to seat a jury before a judge will consider a change of venue. We will need to find out how the State of Idaho operates on this.
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I wonder if a change of venue motion will be filed?
In some States courts must try to seat a jury before a judge will consider a change of venue. We will need to find out how the State of Idaho operates on this.
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Do you think it will be a pre-trial appeal of the evidentiary motions? An appeal of the motion to dismiss? That (motion to dismiss) appeal would be astonishing, legally, at least to me. So, while it is possible to appeal a ruling on any motion, AFAIK, it's very unusual to appeal a denial of a motion to dismiss. I predict the next higher court would confirm the Superior Court Judge. So then - it would head upward, toward ISC. This would take months. Maybe a year just to get up to ISC, and then...a wait. This case is so bizarre, I suppose anything could happen. The appeals judges would also have access to anything given to them by the prosecution (such as the GJ materials - which clearly include some evidence that was not in the PCA).
If so, it's quite interesting that the Defense is adding a possible 1-3 years to BK's time in jail (maybe even more - I don't know how Idaho's public defenders are funded - an appeal to SCOTUS is extremely long and expensive). It would make this case historic in many ways (for something as basic as a pre-trial motion to get to the SCOTUS, I mean - although everyone has the right to appeal). And in the end, I believe the original court order would be upheld - and the other courts are not bound by any gag order, so it's all quite interesting. Surely AT doesn't really want the gruesome details in materials sent to the higher court - and the Supreme Court usually puts both sides of the case on the public record. So at some point, I think AT has to stop with the appeals - or risk a motion that says she's being an incompetent attorney (if the facts get out in the public mind before any trial).
At some point, I imagine whoever is charge of the overall public lawyer system in Idaho will have a thing or to to say.
AT doesn't operate as a free agent, in a vacuum. I think she might take it one step higher, but no more than that. After trial, I believe the common practice in death penalty cases is to exhaust all appeals (if he gets LWOP, probably just as likely to appeal - but he'll be in prison for 10 years while that goes on). Personally, I think she's just preserving the right to appeal on various issues - but will not actually appeal right now. I could be very wrong.
So if there are pre-trial appeals PLUS the 10 years after sentencing, he will have served quite a term of incarceration. I am assuming of course, that he'll be convicted. One reason I believe that is...that his Defense is acting as if they have no chance at trial, with this nickel and dime type stuff (and the Hail Mary of the IGG challenge).
IMO.
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Yes!
There is no aspect to this crime other than murder - of what has been revealed - but it has been revealed in many statements that BK had many "issues" with women, not men, women. There also is possible online "stalking" and stalking of the King Rd house.
Some type of sexual component could be attached to these crimes. And yes, we were referring to his state of mind and motivation only.
We were discussing if his motivation was to specifically commit multiple murder or if maybe he had an idea of sexual assault alone or SA with murder. Like was he targeting just MM and KG threw him "off" and he killed her as a witness and killed the 2 on the 2nd floor strictly as witnesses?
According to KG's dad it looks like a crime scene that has gone wrong - mistakes made - and the injuries are different between the 2 girls in bed and BK really did not have to go up to the 3rd floor just to commit murder, he had 3 people on the 2nd floor close to his convenient enter and exit route. So I just don't think his plan went according to plan. I do not think he had planned to kill 4 people nor planned those 4 specifically, with the exception of MM.
Dad of slain Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves says daughter or friend was targeted
“I’m just putting the dots together,” Steve Goncalves told “Fox & Friends” hosts following an earlier interview with the station in which he stated the way his dau…
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“To me, [the killer] doesn’t have to go upstairs,” he said. “His entry and exit are available without having to go upstairs or downstairs … I’m using logic that he chose to go up there when he didn’t have to.”
“Looks like [the killer] probably may not have gone downstairs,” Steve Goncalves said. “We don’t know that for sure, but he obviously went upstairs. So I’m using logic that he chose to go up there when he didn’t have to.”
“I’m just putting the dots together,” the ways his daughter and Mogen were killed “don’t match.”
“I’ll cut to the chase — their points of damage don’t match.”
Steve Goncalves said he couldn’t say whether he believed his daughter or Mogen was the intended target based on their apparently different injuries.
‘”I asked for permission to do just that, and [investigators] said no,” he said. “I probably over-disclosed information that they wish I wouldn’t have said, but the story’s going cold.”
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For anyone interested, here's a post from Dec. 14. Dont think it was ever posted.
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NEW: Teams representing Kohberger are accessing the home on King St.They’re expected to take photographs, and potentially drone footage of the area. Two weeks from today, this house will be torn down. @kxly4news
6:03 PM · Dec 14, 2023
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NEW: Teams representing Kohberger are accessing the home on King St.They’re expected to take photographs, and potentially drone footage of the area. Two weeks from today, this house will be torn down. @kxly4news
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