4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #91

[Kemug]

Sorry folks, I haven't dropped by here in a while - was November 13th a Friday? I can't remember.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://x.com/melissakxly4/status/1740111605982204315?s=61&t=Vp-AZ81ShrhzLNqqCFHAgA

Home where University of Idaho students were murdered comes down Thursday

MOSCOW, Idaho - Thursday marks the end of one chapter in a story that will forever haunt the community of Moscow, Idaho.

www.kxly.com

 

[Cindizzi]

Sorry folks, I haven't dropped by here in a while - was November 13th a Friday? I can't remember.

November 13, 2022 was a Sunday.

 

[AnyNameIWish]

In hearing the spokesperson for the university, it seems all too clear that they are focused on the image and future of the school. They don't want the coolest area to live in for frats/sororities to be overshadowed by a boarded up house where unspeakable horrors took place, to remain boarded up for years and years as the court case moves on.

 

[somequestions]

If you look at the house from an outside perspective, there is an important question to be answered if the suspect and the victims did not know each other.

If the current suspect, Bryan Kohberger, is the murderer, why did he choose the house at 1122 King Road in Moscow, Idaho? Kohberger was living across the border in Washington going to Washington State University at the time of the murders.

My guess is he chose it after driving to the University of Idaho and walking around the apartment area nearby. He saw that the house had easy access inside from the back where he might also be able to park his car. It was often thought early on in the case that the killer might be a neighbor from one of the apartments very close to the house. Kohberger had to find a place to park his car while he committed these crimes. If he planned this crime, he probably planned on where he was going to park too.

Why and how did Bryan Kohberger choose the house at 1122 King Road in Moscow, Idaho? By looking at the size of the house from the outside or the number of vehicles in the parking lot, he had to wonder if there were multiple people living there.

 

[Kemug]

November 13, 2022 was a Sunday.

Thank you.

 

[Kemug]

What a sad Xmas the families of the 4 victims must have had. And I also think of the Kohberger family, they are victims too.

 

[Red Clover]

At 7 am this morning the demo begins

Home where University of Idaho students were murdered comes down Thursday

MOSCOW, Idaho - Thursday marks the end of one chapter in a story that will forever haunt the community of Moscow, Idaho.

www.kxly.com

In the 13 months since, students and even the siblings of one of the murder victims have had to walk by the home, which has also become a spectacle for journalists and true crime junkies.
“It is the grim reminder of the heinous act that took place there,” University of Idaho President Scott Green said. “While we appreciate the emotional connection some family members of the victims may have to this house, it is time for its removal and to allow the collective healing of our community to continue.”
The home's owner gifted the home to the university in early 2023. President Green says it has always been the university's intention to demolish it.

 

[Megnut]

How much one man destroyed. Simply because he wanted to.

Appalling. Devastating.

That's one dark soul.

jmo

 

[sds71]

Demolition has begun.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1740382385005621629

https://twitter.com/x/status/1740382728489734345

 

[Cindizzi]

These are just screenshots, but if you have a Twitter/X account the link will take you to video clips.

https://x.com/dugganreports/status/1740382656637145136?s=61&t=Vp-AZ81ShrhzLNqqCFHAgA

 

[Chloegirl]

These are just screenshots, but if you have a Twitter/X account the link will take you to video clips.

https://x.com/dugganreports/status/1740382656637145136?s=61&t=Vp-AZ81ShrhzLNqqCFHAgA

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Live streaming

UPDATE AT 12:09 P.M.: Demolition of King Road house completed; at least one family of a victim objects

UPDATE AT 12:09 P.M.:

dnews.com

Local story and photos

 

[ktm44]

I agree with the families 100%!!!
And I'm losing my hope that the victims and their poor families will ever get Justice

Each day is torture for them.
Always on the families' side!!!

JMO

Justice takes years and having gone through this, it's not an easy process for the families of victims and a trial is even harder on them but the idea is to ensure that justice is served fairly and it is important to remember that justice is served on behalf of society.

Nobody wants to see the wrong guy convicted or a multiple murder walk free so it has to be done right rather than fast. When the system and LE hurry or cut corners to expedite things, families end up like mine and there is never any justice.

 

[ktm44]

I understand family members' grief. But I really really wish someone from the prosecution would sit down with them and explain the rules regarding jury visits.

Like the fact that jury visit requests must come from the prosecution or the defense team--not the jury itself.

Or the fact that while the jury may make observations while they are there, they can NOT do "experiments" to test evidence or theories. Given that they are not allowed to talk during the visit, all the claims of "but they would then be able to see if you could hear the sounds of a struggle in DM's room or BF's room or X talking or K talking or the dog..." are moot. The most they could possibly assess is whether you could hear footsteps of people who aren't trying to be sneaky--and that's only if the jury is allowed to split up and some of them be on the 1st floor or 2nd floor level while some are on the 3rd floor or X's room.

And while they can walk through and get a more visceral image of the layout and spacing, they can't time themselves walking through rapidly while pretending to do the murders to see if they were possible in the proposed time frame.

We don't know that it hasn't been done and if their own lawyer hasn't mentioned it, he's part of the problem and not the solution. .

SG mentioned something in one of his recent interviews about relating the house to an important time in his daughter's life and his need to keep her memory alive. This feels to me like it has less to do with a jury walk through, potential new evidence or anything else cited and a lot more to do with him just not being emotionally ready to let go of one aspect of her life.

 

[al66pine]

Hollywood's Creative License?

....Like the fact that jury visit requests must come from the prosecution or the defense team--not the jury itself.

Or the fact that while the jury may make observations while they are there, they can NOT do "experiments" to test evidence or theories. Given that they are not allowed to talk during the visit, all the claims of "but they would then be able to see if you could hear the sounds of a struggle in DM's room or BF's room or X talking or K talking or the dog..." are moot. The most they could possibly assess is whether you could hear footsteps of people who aren't trying to be sneaky--and that's only if the jury is allowed to split up and some of them be on the 1st floor or 2nd floor level while some are on the 3rd floor or X's room.

And while they can walk through and get a more visceral image of the layout and spacing, they can't time themselves walking through rapidly while pretending to do the murders to see if they were possible in the proposed time frame.

snipped for focus @gremlin444 Thanks for your post.
As sometimes happens re various points of LEGAL PROCEDURE, movies, tv dramas, etc give viewers an unrealistic, warped idea of Jury Views, such as allowing jury members at the crime scene to play Sherlock Holmes, taking measurements, running experiments --- like your examples of re-enacting the crime, or checking sounds transmitted from one floor to another --- or developing other analyses of timing of events. (Run-on sentence? whew )

When authorizing a jury view of crime scene, Idaho trial judge gives the standardized, state-wide instruction below.
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"ICJI 306 VIEW OF THE PREMISES PRELIMINARY INSTRUCTIONS
"INSTRUCTION NO. _______
"It may be helpful for you to see the place involved in this case. I have appointed Mr./Mrs./Ms. _______ to take you there. While at that place, you are not to make any measurements, conduct any tests or make any demonstrations."
"Your observations during this view of the place involved are not evidence in this case, and you are not to take such observations into consideration in arriving at your verdict."
"This view is only for the purpose of assisting you in understanding the evidence presented in court."
_._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._.

^ 306 View Of The Premises-Preliminary Instructions

Criminal Jury Instructions | Supreme Court

isc.idaho.gov

 

[Sleuth2010]

In hearing the spokesperson for the university, it seems all too clear that they are focused on the image and future of the school. They don't want the coolest area to live in for frats/sororities to be overshadowed by a boarded up house where unspeakable horrors took place, to remain boarded up for years and years as the court case moves on.

Spot on. IMO the families should seek a forever -- forever - no build , open space designation.
All but guaranteed, in the future, many years from now the University Board, will need the land for other purposes. They will have rationale ( just as they so callously and mistakenly have now); beside all the "trouble" a murder memorial park would bring. Unhoused, loiter, traffic, expensive upkeep, etc etc. etc. etc. You bet. One can already see it coming.

Forever. The land may not, will not, and can not be used for any other " need " which future generations of the governing board of the University of Idaho will deem necessary. Including sale, donation, or their general sweeping-it-away, because, so much time has passed. Seriously?

IMO MOO OMO

 

[10ofRods]

In hearing the spokesperson for the university, it seems all too clear that they are focused on the image and future of the school. They don't want the coolest area to live in for frats/sororities to be overshadowed by a boarded up house where unspeakable horrors took place, to remain boarded up for years and years as the court case moves on.

Plus, neither the Defense nor the Prosecution has objected to the tear down. If either side wanted to enter the property into evidence (as rare as hen's teeth, legally), they have had ample opportunity to do so.

An abandoned building is a maintenance nightmare. There's no way to reuse the building and avoid public upset or outrage. University would have liability for any accidents that happen via people breaking in to have a look around, etc.

 

[Red Clover]

Live streaming

UPDATE AT 12:09 P.M.: Demolition of King Road house completed; at least one family of a victim objects

UPDATE AT 12:09 P.M.:

dnews.com

Local story and photos

Thanks for sharing the live feed. For me, it was very satisfying to watch that awful house disappear and be hauled away.
May the healing begin!

 

[Sleuth2010]

A privacy wall, should have been built immediately. Sound studios, builders, gazillionaires, put them up within days. Hiring 24/7 security and a pathetic gate surround is awful. Yes, it is a safety nightmare. But, not listening to the families is a major error.
It is not just about jury, court system and laws / regs. It is about justice.

 

[Sleuth2010]

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https://x.com/brianentin/status/1740148343068917933?s=61&t=Vp-AZ81ShrhzLNqqCFHAgA

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The disrespectful and disregarding of the victims' families requests are mind boggling.

We seek justice, because the victims can not. WOJ