4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #91

[Balthazar]

Those things also stick out, and are quite obvious. I think if he'd had one she would have noticed it. She noticed his mask, his build, and his bushy brows. A big plastic protuberance on his forehead, even if it wasn't lit up? It is noticeable.

MOO

Nowadays they make beanies and golf caps with tiny LED lights smoothly integrated into them. POWERCAP LED Hats & Beanies

 

[ktm44]

I think so too. When they see the layout of the house, and see exactly how somebody would have had to move around that house to do what was done, in the dark, it might really be striking how familiar the killer had to be. Then if there is enough persuasive digital evidence to put BK at or near, within observable range from the house at least a dozen times before, and maybe SM and other digital connection to the girls and house, as well, it could start to look like a rather well-worn path between BK and where his DNA ended up. Seeing the crime scene photos, the result of this inappropriate familiarity, could then feel like the horrible end to an uncomfortably long story. Just my own thoughts.

We assume the house was dark but that's likely based on adult behaviour. The group came home when it was dark outside so they would have turned on lights when they came home and with young people moving around and getting settled in, they may not have turned all the lights off.

This is one of those things that has always been accepted as fact that has never been verified and will likely come up at trial.

 

[Megnut]

Additionally BK may have preferred to work in the dark.

jmo

 

[Swansee]

I believe Gray Hughes is allowed here?
He put up a fascinating video discussing the possibility that the sheath may have been placed intentionally by BK.
In his hypothesis, BK thought the sheath was clean. The sheath does not match the murder weapon, and a different knife was used for the murders. BK left the sheath intentionally, either as a calling card or as an attempt to throw off investigators.
One question he raises is, why is the sheath so clean aside from that one bit of touch? If he had intended to keep it with him, he wouldn't have cared about fingerprints or dna on it. The only reason for a quasi-pristine sheath is if it's meant to be left there.
I had never considered this, and I find it really interesting, so I am sharing it here.

 

[Chloegirl]

I believe Gray Hughes is allowed here?
He put up a fascinating video discussing the possibility that the sheath may have been placed intentionally by BK.
In his hypothesis, BK thought the sheath was clean. The sheath does not match the murder weapon, and a different knife was used for the murders. BK left the sheath intentionally, either as a calling card or as an attempt to throw off investigators.
One question he raises is, why is the sheath so clean aside from that one bit of touch? If he had intended to keep it with him, he wouldn't have cared about fingerprints or dna on it. The only reason for a quasi-pristine sheath is if it's meant to be left there.
I had never considered this, and I find it really interesting, so I am sharing it here.

I always thought it was a decoy. It also could have served as a backup. I can't imagine being so knife obsessed and wanting to kill people that I would consider having two on me, but he also may have come with other gear like a gun. It is fabulous news that I cannot relate. JMOO

 

[ktm44]

I believe Gray Hughes is allowed here?
He put up a fascinating video discussing the possibility that the sheath may have been placed intentionally by BK.
In his hypothesis, BK thought the sheath was clean. The sheath does not match the murder weapon, and a different knife was used for the murders. BK left the sheath intentionally, either as a calling card or as an attempt to throw off investigators.
One question he raises is, why is the sheath so clean aside from that one bit of touch? If he had intended to keep it with him, he wouldn't have cared about fingerprints or dna on it. The only reason for a quasi-pristine sheath is if it's meant to be left there.
I had never considered this, and I find it really interesting, so I am sharing it here.

If that is the case, LE will know have a very good idea if it was a K-Bar or something different.

 

[TL4S]

I believe Gray Hughes is allowed here?
He put up a fascinating video discussing the possibility that the sheath may have been placed intentionally by BK.
In his hypothesis, BK thought the sheath was clean. The sheath does not match the murder weapon, and a different knife was used for the murders. BK left the sheath intentionally, either as a calling card or as an attempt to throw off investigators.
One question he raises is, why is the sheath so clean aside from that one bit of touch? If he had intended to keep it with him, he wouldn't have cared about fingerprints or dna on it. The only reason for a quasi-pristine sheath is if it's meant to be left there.
I had never considered this, and I find it really interesting, so I am sharing it here.

But do we know for a fact the rest of it was clean? The clip had single-source DNA, so that doesn't specifically discount the possibility of other DNA mixed along with the victims' DNA elsewhere on the sheath, does it? Like if their blood was on it? Legit question because I don't know.

I think it's also possible BK wiped down everything he took in there to try to avoid the transfer of his DNA, whether he intended to leave the sheath or not. JMO.

 

[Justice101]

I believe Gray Hughes is allowed here?
He put up a fascinating video discussing the possibility that the sheath may have been placed intentionally by BK.
In his hypothesis, BK thought the sheath was clean. The sheath does not match the murder weapon, and a different knife was used for the murders. BK left the sheath intentionally, either as a calling card or as an attempt to throw off investigators.
One question he raises is, why is the sheath so clean aside from that one bit of touch? If he had intended to keep it with him, he wouldn't have cared about fingerprints or dna on it. The only reason for a quasi-pristine sheath is if it's meant to be left there.
I had never considered this, and I find it really interesting, so I am sharing it here.

Not trying to steal his thunder, but that was my idea from day 1 when I heard he had a mask, probably gloves and a suit but yet left a sheath with DNA on it.

I can see him taunting LE by leaving a "clean" sheath on the bed. He should have soaked the whole sheath in alcohol if he wanted to get rid of all the DNA... but he didn't. He wiped it clean but left a trace on the inside of the snap.

 

[ifindedout]

Nowadays they make beanies and golf caps with tiny LED lights smoothly integrated into them. POWERCAP LED Hats & Beanies

I had one of these back in the mid-2000s, a camo baseball cap with (IIRC) three white LEDs on the edge of the visor that provided the lights. It was powered by three CR2032 coin cell batteries (the kind you find in keyfobs and computer motherboards) which could not be removed without destroying the cap lining, which I did to recycle them as hazardous household waste when they expired.

 

[Megnut]

IF he left it as a calling card, he probably thought he was very clever. LE would be looking for a military guy with ties to the victim(s), plus his studied knifework would've had military overtones too. That is, if he had just one motionless victim, attacked in her sleep. They'd be looking for a Marine ninja from across the street. Nobody'd be looking for a TA/PhD student from a neighboring college.

I do wonder if BK took additional steps to camouflage his car. A stolen license plate, for instance. Or an altered one at least.

I'm curious too whether he stripped off his clothes or added another layer post-crime...

I worry he is fascinated (in a creepy, sterile way) that the sheath betrayed him. Unless he thought he could pull I off the so-called perfect crime, he must've wondered what would flub him up if indeed he flunked. I suspect that was the real (and salacious) intention of his Masters thesis -- how criminals pick their victims and what mistakes they made..

In the modern era, one of the biggest mistakes so-many-of-them make: thinking airplane mode protects them.

But au contraire, draw a big read circle 'round -- right here, LE, during this dark span of time, that's when I was up to no good.

jmo

 

[girlhasnoname]

I believe Gray Hughes is allowed here?
He put up a fascinating video discussing the possibility that the sheath may have been placed intentionally by BK.
In his hypothesis, BK thought the sheath was clean. The sheath does not match the murder weapon, and a different knife was used for the murders. BK left the sheath intentionally, either as a calling card or as an attempt to throw off investigators.
One question he raises is, why is the sheath so clean aside from that one bit of touch? If he had intended to keep it with him, he wouldn't have cared about fingerprints or dna on it. The only reason for a quasi-pristine sheath is if it's meant to be left there.
I had never considered this, and I find it really interesting, so I am sharing it here.

I don't know when GH did the video, but I said BK might have intentionally left the sheath at the scene on purpose many threads ago. It seems like something perverse and sinister that he would do IMO. It fits with your statement of it being pristine everywhere except that darn (yay for us) snap with his 5 x octillion DNA match.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Not trying to steal his thunder, but that was my idea from day 1 when I heard he had a mask, probably gloves and a suit but yet left a sheath with DNA on it.

I can see him taunting LE by leaving a "clean" sheath on the bed. He should have soaked the whole sheath in alcohol if he wanted to get rid of all the DNA... but he didn't. He wiped it clean but left a trace on the inside of the snap.

Jinx, I see a lot of us had that thought.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Totally possible and the whole scenario is terrifying. I can't even fathom what the young people living there must have experienced.

IMO-- I think all the lights were off except for the neon lights and phones.

IF BK was adept at prowling at night then it might've been easier for him to see with the ambient lighting available, especially because he has that vision issue.

[IME-- When I am camping, sometimes it's easier for me to see my way on a path without a flashlight (unless it's pitch black)
I still need a flashlight once I get inside a porta-potty or something like that but my eyes will adjust to the naturally available low light at night.]

IMO-- BK had to know people were still up as X was accepting a DD delivery right around the time BK arrived at 1122. There would have been movement and sound in the house even if there was little to no light.

I guess it's possible BK JUST MISSED the DD delivery driver.

BUT-- IF BK WAS aware of the DD delivery driver it's possible that's why BK drove by a couple times and did the odd turnaround before parking a few minutes after 4:00 am.

ALL JMO

More JMO
Maybe he, being the stalker, knew their late night eating was common, had a plan to wait for the DD delivery because he was going to try to frame the driver.

 

[Red Clover]

More JMO
Maybe he, being the stalker, knew their late night eating was common, had a plan to wait for the DD delivery because he was going to try to frame the driver.

Ding ding!
This is absolutely totally possible

 

[jjleroche]

The difference between a knife killing vs a gun is that a knife is considered much more personal. Note that hit men and cartels normally use guns.

The fact that Kohberger used a knife changes things in my mind. Why not just shoot a victim outside in the parking lot? Why go in the house when this is 20 times more risky for many reasons and 20 times more risky to touch victims and get their blood on you etc....

If he simply wanted someone dead, to be quite frank, there are less riskier ways to go about it.

The fact that he brought a large knife into a private residence with the intent to - do what he did - is not a far cry from having plans to physically and/or sexually assault his victims.

Not a far leap to think he may have had some intent in that direction. However, from what we know he did not touch them in any way before stabbing them, which is all that matters.

Opinion plus link.

https://isfma.com/legal-rights/four-classifications-of-crime-according-to-criminal-la

Four Classifications of Crime According to Criminal Law​

Personal​

As its name suggests, personal crimes are crimes committed against a person, which affects them either physically or psychologically. Rape, assault, and murder are examples of personal crimes. Robbery, which is also categorized as a crime against property, is also considered a personal crime in that it causes physical and emotional distress to the victim.

Yes, a gun would do the trick, but the actual slaying via knife, was IMO very much to do with invoking horror after the event, as well as during. "See - I've won! See how powerful I am!" MOO

 

[marloweclover]

We assume the house was dark but that's likely based on adult behaviour. The group came home when it was dark outside so they would have turned on lights when they came home and with young people moving around and getting settled in, they may not have turned all the lights off.

This is one of those things that has always been accepted as fact that has never been verified and will likely come up at trial.

IME, they may of course have been the exception... I live on a college campus. I frequently walk my dog between midnight and dawn. At least 9/10 student houses have common space lights on all night, every night. Kitchens, living rooms, etc.

 

[ktm44]

Yes, a gun would do the trick, but the actual slaying via knife, was IMO very much to do with invoking horror after the event, as well as during. "See - I've won! See how powerful I am!" MOO

That may be his reason but he may have also been concerned about gunshots attracting unwanted attention as well.

Edited for clarity

 

[whiterhino]

That may be his reason but he may have also been concerned about gunshots attracting unwanted attention as well.

Edited for clarity

For all we know, BK brought his gun that night unloaded & could have used it for intimidation to keep the housemates quiet. JMO.

 

[whiterhino]

True, and possible fairy lights on both levels, plus any other unknown lights that might have been turned on at some point. We really don't know. I've never suspected BK had a headlamp or anything like that because I believe he was familiar enough with that house to know how much light there would normally be. Jmo. My thought is just that what will be presented to a jury is likely to show a familiarity with the girls and the house.

RBBM: This begs the question: how BK would have been familiar with the house and the housemates routines, the lighting, layout etc. Questions we have pored over for a year now. Just saying FWIW.

Right, do you think Xana was laying in bed eating and on her phone at 4:12 am, or sitting in the kitchen or LR? I know she was found in her BR, but maybe she ran in there after seeing BK at some point. Maybe that is when DM heard the crying and the "I'm here to help you"? I tend to think she sitting in her bed watching TikTok while Ethan was asleep.

I think the DD driver is going to be a key witness in either having seen BK's car or maybe even catching a glimpse of him driving past. I surely hope so.

jmo

RBBM: IIRC there were bags/containers in the kitchen, possibly from XKs' DD order that night. Idk, since XK & EC were both found in XKs room, IMO BK possibly spotted XK in the little hallway, either going to the washroom, going back into her room from the kitchen or possibly going back into the kitchen.

I've never been able to work out the timeline between the DD delivery and whenever BK entered to home. To me, I've never been able to wrap my head around the fact that the DD driver and BK missed each other by mere minutes. How/when BK entered the home at that time while some were still up, eating and using their phones.

JMO. IMO. MOO.

 

[arielilane]

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