4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #91

[katydid23]

They also claim they failed to go through evidence including the trash can that was in the room where Kaylee was stabbed.

She was discovered sitting up against the wall, they said.

I do not believe the FBI forensics team 'failed to go through evidence' ... I think anything that was turned over to them had already been looked at.

The parents also said they are yet to receive a digital copy of her phone records - something they have been asking for for over a year.

Maybe the Prosecution doesn't really want the family to have the digital phone logs? They want to keep things close to the vest and the family seems to be doing a lot of public interviews about the facts of the case.

'We are just left in limbo... it's like you're fighting with somebody who just doesn't care,' Steve said of the police investigation.

Why are they even 'fighting' with the people trying to solve the case? What an odd analogy.

Kristi said the trash can that was turned over to them was full and did not appear to have been searched.

I did not 'appear' to have been searched? That doesn't mean it wasn't. I'm sure they looked for a weapon if nothing else.

'We opened it, there was like a squeezy apple sauce thing that you would give a toddler. It did not appear to have been gone through.'


Kaylee Goncalves' parents say cops didn't go through trash can

EST, 26 January 2024

It annoys me the way they are going after the people trying to find justice for their daughter.

 

[ilovewings]

I do not believe the FBI forensics team 'failed to go through evidence' ... I think anything that was turned over to them had already been looked at.


Maybe the Prosecution doesn't really want the family to have the digital phone logs? They want to keep things close to the vest and the family seems to be doing a lot of public interviews about the facts of the case.

Why are they even 'fighting' with the people trying to solve the case? What an odd analogy.

I did not 'appear' to have been searched? That doesn't mean it wasn't. I'm sure they looked for a weapon if nothing else.

It annoys me the way they are going after the people trying to find justice for their daughter.

I find myself getting angry at these parents of the victim and that is a shame: what they are doing is so wrong if they want to make sure they get justice for their daughter. I agree about the phone records. The police probably don't want the parents to have that.

 

[Boxer]

I do not believe the FBI forensics team 'failed to go through evidence' ... I think anything that was turned over to them had already been looked at.


Maybe the Prosecution doesn't really want the family to have the digital phone logs? They want to keep things close to the vest and the family seems to be doing a lot of public interviews about the facts of the case.

Why are they even 'fighting' with the people trying to solve the case? What an odd analogy.

I did not 'appear' to have been searched? That doesn't mean it wasn't. I'm sure they looked for a weapon if nothing else.

It annoys me the way they are going after the people trying to find justice for their daughter.

Don't care? Obviously the family is endangering the case, so I expect they communicate as little as possible with them.
The family has false expectations.
Police job is not to care for the parents, but for the actual victims. The Victims Advocate office is there to support the family, it's not the police role.

At the beginning the family had to be looked at objectively and cleared for involvement too, father's gambling debts etc.

<modsnip: not victim friendly>

 

[al66pine]

Kaylee's Parents & Her Phone Records?

The parents also said they are yet to receive a digital copy of her phone records - something they have been asking for for over a year....
Kaylee Goncalves' parents say cops didn't go through trash can
EST, 26 January 2024

snipped for focus @arielilane Thank you so much for this post & so many others w the MSM tweets.

Did Daily Mail (or ABC News reporter who interviewed parents, IIUC. Sorry did not watch.) ask Kaylee's parents about their request for dau's phone records? Anyone?

Did parents ask PROSECUTOR for phone records? If so, prosecutor has NO obligation to provide, AFAIK, not under ID victims rights statute. Anyone have other thoughts on this?

Did parents ask PHONE CARRIER for dau's phone records? In earliest days didn't her sister say she accessed Kaylee's phone records/messages (or other digital records) & something about FAMILY PLAN?
IIRC & if Kaylee's phone was included in a FamPlan, regardless of who paid bill or the identity of users of multiple phones in plan, imo, the carrier company's CONTRACT w ACCOUNT HOLDER likely specifies who the carrier will provide users' records to (that is, other than to LE w warrant or ct order).

IDK what the specific contract terms are but believe that the carrier drafted contract did not overlook the issue.
So parents getting phone records from phone carrier DEPENDS on the contract terms, imo.

Imo, jmo, moo.

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* 19-5306. RIGHTS OF VICTIM DURING INVESTIGATION, PROSECUTION

Section 19-5306 – Idaho State Legislature

legislature.idaho.gov

https://ag.idaho.gov/content/uploads/2018/04/InformationForCrimeVictimsAndWitnesses.pdf (v. 2023)

 

[Idaho transplant]

Thank you @arielilane for your recaps and links!
I just watched the hearing twice. I like the court's camera angles and setup. Well done JJJ!

AT did drop smome notable hints.
- She doesn't have a certain video in full . This rings a bell for me, I think I read something a few months ago about some kind of medical type video being requested? There was speculation as to whether this could be autopsies.
- she doesn't have the full CAST data. She acknowledged the prosecution doesn't have it either and this will require cooperation from a certain agency.
-Defense seems to run into a problem of people not wanting to talk to them, be it witnesses or experts.
I appreciated that there seemed to be less animosity between Thompson and Taylor than there was at a prior hearing. At this point it really seems clear that the prosecution isn't intentionally withholding anything, just that the defense is requesting things that third parties havent handed over.
I am frustrated that it could be 2025, and I'm sure the families are even more. I hope not but it sure seems to be taking that route!

Any chance the medical video could be related to BK himself? Did the prosecution ever request that he be deemed mentally competent to stand trial?

 

[Swansee]

I don't think it's that, because this is a request from the defense.
If it is related to the autopsies, it could be because of the officers present for it (if Tolleson, then potential problem due to prior Brady issues) and what they did/said there. This is all speculation.
It also occurs to me that this could also be the video of BK's interview with Payne. This one was also requested by the Defense, but the Prosecution claimed there is none, which is pretty weird if it was a post-arrest interrogation, since those are usually required to be recorded. It leaves the door open to whether or not there could have been an earlier interview of BK by the police , perhaps at the time they were looking for white elantras in the area.
Also this could be bodycam video of BK's arrest in Pennsylvania. This was also requested by the defense, and very surprisingly there was a claim that there were no bodycams... This would be no fault of the prosecution, but a big fault by the SWATs if they really went in there without a single bodycam working.
All speculation of course!

 

[girlhasnoname]

Judge denies appeal in Kohberger case, trial date could be more than a year out.​

<snipped> BBM

Judge said he wanted to get more information on discovery and possibly speed up the trial to be sooner rather than later, to be held in March of 2025.

It’s demoralizing to think about the trial being so far into the future, because of how the delay might affect the families of the victims, Judge said.

Judge also denied Kohberger’s defense team’s motion to appeal the indictment against him to the Idaho Supreme Court.

“I don’t think we’ve done anything wrong about that decision,” said Judge. “I think it was correct. The Supreme Court, I guess, could turn that around, but that is doubtful, in my opinion.”

Judge denies appeal in Kohberger case, trial date could be more than a year out - Northwest Public Broadcasting

 

[arielilane]

I do not believe the FBI forensics team 'failed to go through evidence' ... I think anything that was turned over to them had already been looked at.


Maybe the Prosecution doesn't really want the family to have the digital phone logs? They want to keep things close to the vest and the family seems to be doing a lot of public interviews about the facts of the case.

Why are they even 'fighting' with the people trying to solve the case? What an odd analogy.

I did not 'appear' to have been searched? That doesn't mean it wasn't. I'm sure they looked for a weapon if nothing else.

It annoys me the way they are going after the people trying to find justice for their daughter.

I’m definitely biased of course, because they’re parents of a murdered child, so I don't see them as hurting the prosecution’s case, and helping the defense’s case. I’m not privy to what the prosecution has against BK, however, my guess would be that the state is prepared to go to trial, and there’s a mountain of compelling evidence that would secure a conviction so anything a parent of a murdered child says would not be relevant? idk. Guessing they want to keep this case in the media? Would be hear-say, anyway…idk?

I know you would agree, they are broken beyond belief and didn't ask for any of this.

Also, it seems that the defense doesn’t have much evidence, at this time? Idk. However, I admire, BK's attorney for seeking a fair trial for their client.

Agree, that this needs to be one and done.

Also, agreed, that evidence for an open case is kept close to the vest.
Digital phone logs, included. idk


The evidence will speak for itself in a court of law.

My thoughts, only

 

[Boxer]

I do not believe the FBI forensics team 'failed to go through evidence' ... I think anything that was turned over to them had already been looked at.


Maybe the Prosecution doesn't really want the family to have the digital phone logs? They want to keep things close to the vest and the family seems to be doing a lot of public interviews about the facts of the case.

Why are they even 'fighting' with the people trying to solve the case? What an odd analogy.

I did not 'appear' to have been searched? That doesn't mean it wasn't. I'm sure they looked for a weapon if nothing else.

It annoys me the way they are going after the people trying to find justice for their daughter.

Adults phone records are private.
The investigation obtained them on a subpoena.

MOO during the investigation a weapon was searched for even in the wallboards and ducting, tearing up the house.
MOO I trust they went through that trash and deemed it unrelated.
Police incompetence exists just as generally incompetence plagues many institutions but I don't see it in this case.

 

[10ofRods]

Any chance the medical video could be related to BK himself? Did the prosecution ever request that he be deemed mentally competent to stand trial?

No. At his arraignment, the Judge asked BK if there were any mental or physical reasons why he should not stand trial and if he understood the charges. He said, "No" to the first question (his lawyer did not add anything or contradict that) and "Yes" to the second question, IIRC.

I'm not sure it's up to the prosecution to try and get him declared incompetent or competent. Since the Defense and the Defendant state he's competent, it would be very strange for the State to come forward claiming he's incompetent (he sure doesn't seem incompetent to me, he appears to be cooperating with his Defense and fully in command of his senses and perceptions). He is not in a psych jail ward.

There is no insanity defense in Idaho, furthermore.

IIRC. IMO.

 

[al66pine]

Parents Actions. A Parallel?

It annoys me the way they are going after the people trying to find justice for their daughter.

snipped for focus @katydid23
Yes, ^ seems counterproductive. Reminds me of
ppl drowning who (semi-consciously, in a stupor) strike & shove lifeguards trying to rescue them.

Not criticizing, as I just cannot even begin to imagine the parents' grief. How can they get out of bed every day? Maybe they don't.

I wonder what advice they have received about MSM contact.

 

[LoveyluvsThurston]

There's a memorial inside the Mad Greek restaurant where Xana and Maddie worked to remember the #Idaho4 victims. The manager tells me that many of their coworkers quit because it was just too hard to be there anymore.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1750624831069147630

Oh my heart……. I worked at a restaurant during college. I’m still friends with those I worked with, even 40 yrs later. The trials of balancing work/study, the goofy fun, hard work, AFTER parties all made us very close. My heart just aches for this sweet community.

 

[twall]

What is the difference between a digital phone log and what you see on your bill? IIRC Kaylee was on the G's phone plan. Her sister looked at her phone activity and told the media and internet about the calls to J right before the murders so what are they wanting to see from LE?

 

[al66pine]

Asking for Phone Records.

What is the difference between a digital phone log and what you see on your bill? IIRC Kaylee was on the G's phone plan. Her sister looked at her phone activity and told the media and internet about the calls to J right before the murders so what are they wanting to see from LE?

@twall Thanks for raising this question.
I'm curious about what parents believe they will find.

About 10 posts upthread, I wondered about who the parents might have asked.
Per ID crime victims statute, Prosecutor is not obligated to provide those records to parents imo.

Repeating from my earlier post w some snips.
Did parents ask PHONE CARRIER for dau's phone records?...
IF Kaylee's phone was included in a FamPlan, regardless of who paid bill or the identity of users of multiple phones in plan, imo, the carrier company's CONTRACT w ACCOUNT HOLDER likely specifies who the carrier will provide users' records to (that is, other than to LE w warrant or ct order).

IDK what the specific contract terms are but believe that the carrier drafted contract did not overlook the issue.
So parents getting phone records from phone carrier DEPENDS on the contract terms, imo. ICBWrong.

 

[twall]

Asking for Phone Records.

@twall Thanks for raising this question.
I'm curious about what parents believe they will find.

About 10 posts upthread, I wondered about who the parents might have asked.
Per ID crime victims statute, Prosecutor is not obligated to provide those records to parents imo.

Repeating from my earlier post w some snips.
Did parents ask PHONE CARRIER for dau's phone records?...
IF Kaylee's phone was included in a FamPlan, regardless of who paid bill or the identity of users of multiple phones in plan, imo, the carrier company's CONTRACT w ACCOUNT HOLDER likely specifies who the carrier will provide users' records to (that is, other than to LE w warrant or ct order).

IDK what the specific contract terms are but believe that the carrier drafted contract did not overlook the issue.
So parents getting phone records from phone carrier DEPENDS on the contract terms, imo. ICBWrong.

Thanks for the info. Without looking into it further I am going to assume the digital phone log the G's seek has more detailed information than what is on the phone bill such as ping and cell tower location information.

I have 4 people on a family plan I am the owner of through Verizon postpaid. One is my 19 yo daughter. Recently she wanted to purchase a phone and I got a security alert. I texted her and asked if she logged into my account which she does not have the log in info for (but could have guessed it) and she said no but she created her own account attached to her number but she could not purchase a phone through that account but was allowed to put it in the cart on my account so I had to complete the purchase through my account. Confused? Yea, I was too!

 

[Dotta]

I have a question.

Is it a good idea for the trial to be held in Moscow?

I thought a change of venue was agreed previously, no?

Wasn't it discussed earlier that the town is too small?
(Jurors' possible connections to witnesses, lack of hotels, etc.)

I'm dismayed by an expected 2025 date of the trial

JMO

 

[Idaho transplant]

No. At his arraignment, the Judge asked BK if there were any mental or physical reasons why he should not stand trial and if he understood the charges. He said, "No" to the first question (his lawyer did not add anything or contradict that) and "Yes" to the second question, IIRC.

I'm not sure it's up to the prosecution to try and get him declared incompetent or competent. Since the Defense and the Defendant state he's competent, it would be very strange for the State to come forward claiming he's incompetent (he sure doesn't seem incompetent to me, he appears to be cooperating with his Defense and fully in command of his senses and perceptions). He is not in a psych jail ward.

There is no insanity defense in Idaho, furthermore.

IIRC. IMO.

If BK ever consented to a brain scan, how valuable do you think the results could be?

 

[acutename]

I don't think it's that, because this is a request from the defense.
If it is related to the autopsies, it could be because of the officers present for it (if Tolleson, then potential problem due to prior Brady issues) and what they did/said there. This is all speculation.
It also occurs to me that this could also be the video of BK's interview with Payne. This one was also requested by the Defense, but the Prosecution claimed there is none, which is pretty weird if it was a post-arrest interrogation, since those are usually required to be recorded. It leaves the door open to whether or not there could have been an earlier interview of BK by the police , perhaps at the time they were looking for white elantras in the area.
Also this could be bodycam video of BK's arrest in Pennsylvania. This was also requested by the defense, and very surprisingly there was a claim that there were no bodycams... This would be no fault of the prosecution, but a big fault by the SWATs if they really went in there without a single bodycam working.
All speculation of course!

do not believe that bodycam is (or in this case was)
required under PA law:

Pennsylvania State Police launch body camera pilot program​

CBS News
https://www.cbsnews.com › ... › Local News



Aug 7, 2023 — Pennsylvania State Police are launching a body-worn camera initiative, starting with a pilot program before planning for a statewide ...
kr

 

[Idaho transplant]

I have a question.

Is it a good idea for the trial to be held in Moscow?

I thought a change of venue was agreed previously, no?

Wasn't it discussed earlier that the town is too small?
(Jurors' possible connections to witnesses, lack of hotels, etc.)

I'm dismayed by an expected 2025 date of the trial

JMO

Lori Vallow (trial held last year) and Chad Daybell's trials (to be held this year) were moved from Rexburg, Id. to Boise. Both Lori and Chad are of the Mormon faith as is the major percentage of Rexburg. A change of venue was the only way to ensure a fair trial.

For BK, the trial must be held in Idaho. Yes, Moscow is small and the issues you have raised above are valid. If a change of venue was made, I suspect it would be to either Lewiston (about a 40 min. drive south of Moscow) or Coeur d'Alene (between 1 1/2 to 2 hours north of Moscow). BUT, Rathdrum (where Kaylie's parents live) is only 20 minutes away from Coeur d'Alene.

I'd be surprised if this trial were also moved to Boise. Given the notoriety of this case, I not sure the usual arguments would make any difference for a change of venue. And, as you can see with the above distances, people may have to commute to the trial.

I suspect that if BK had the chance of a do-over, he would not have chosen Idaho again.

 

[imstilla.grandma]