50/60 year old Amnesia Victim Savannah, GA Thread #5

[dreamweaver]

FWIW: There is a possibility that the Powell family does not know him because he was given up at birth...

I did a search for Catholic orphanages in Indiana, and the main orphanage was in Vincennes, Indiana---St. Vincent's Villa. There was also a The Carmelite Home for Boys in Gary, Indiana.

An interesting thing that I researched is BK's memory of the White River "when it was a dumping ground". It appears that it was not "known" that it was a dumping ground for pesticides until the early 1990's, and was considered one of the most threatened rivers in 1997.

I found a Benjamin Powell who was born Aug 29, 1950 and died in March 1975 in Virginia. His social is 231-74-7792 Notice the 3 in the first section and the 4 in the second section?

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Vincennes, IN orphange:
Online sites.
Pictures.
http://genforum.genealogy.com/in/knox/messages/316.html
http://www.vcsc.k12.in.us/tcr/hometownfranklin/orphanage.htm
http://www.vincennesvoice.com/index_files/Page2225.htm

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I thought since he called a soft drink a "soda" this map might be beneficial in some way.

http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/popvssodamap.gif

 

[Julessleuther]

I narrowed my search to birth date August 29 for the SSDI search, to see if anything else pops out...(I did not include Herman Powell, as he had previously been discussed.

Name Birthdate Deathdate Social Issued Death Place
Gary Hensel Aug 29, 40 March 1971 Indiana 305-44 None spec
BOYD MCCLUNG Aug 29, 43 Oct 1973 Indiana 315-44 None spec
George Lyon Aug 29, 44 June 1970 Indiana 315-44 None spec
Linn K Howle Aug 29, 50 Sep 12, 2004 Illinois 345-44 Simpson, IL
Stephan Spiller Aug 29, 51 Aug 1976 Illinois 355-44 None spec
Leroy Pettit Aug 29, 40 Feb 1982 Michigan 365-44 Columbiaville, MI
Robert Davis Aug 29, 43 Feb 1972 Michigan 385-44 None spec
Donald Smith Aug 29, 46 Nov 24, 2000 Wisconsin 295-44 None spec

I know that Royal Miller was suggested in the past, and ruled out because of eye color. http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=2870126000483 Do we know if there was also a DNA comparison made? He looks SO much like BK to me, even the shape of the ears. I know the eye color is different, but I researched whether eye color could change due to cataract surgery, and it does appear that eye color can change (usually lighter) with trauma. Here are some links about eye color change.
http://www.wonderquest.com/eye-color-age.htm

 

[dreamweaver]

Royal C Miller: Just looked at his info again.
Those dark brown eyes. I just don't think they
could change to the blue eyes BK has.
Royal's nose: wider than BK's.

But there is always a possibility.

 

[dreamweaver]

312 xx xxxx
My friend emailed back and he said
his ssn starts 312.

He was born in Vincennes, IN.

 

[believe09]

I narrowed my search to birth date August 29 for the SSDI search, to see if anything else pops out...(I did not include Herman Powell, as he had previously been discussed.

Name Birthdate Deathdate Social Issued Death Place
Gary Hensel Aug 29, 40 March 1971 Indiana 305-44 None spec
BOYD MCCLUNG Aug 29, 43 Oct 1973 Indiana 315-44 None spec
George Lyon Aug 29, 44 June 1970 Indiana 315-44 None spec
Linn K Howle Aug 29, 50 Sep 12, 2004 Illinois 345-44 Simpson, IL
Stephan Spiller Aug 29, 51 Aug 1976 Illinois 355-44 None spec
Leroy Pettit Aug 29, 40 Feb 1982 Michigan 365-44 Columbiaville, MI
Robert Davis Aug 29, 43 Feb 1972 Michigan 385-44 None spec
Donald Smith Aug 29, 46 Nov 24, 2000 Wisconsin 295-44 None spec

I know that Royal Miller was suggested in the past, and ruled out because of eye color. http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=2870126000483 Do we know if there was also a DNA comparison made? He looks SO much like BK to me, even the shape of the ears. I know the eye color is different, but I researched whether eye color could change due to cataract surgery, and it does appear that eye color can change (usually lighter) with trauma. Here are some links about eye color change.
http://www.wonderquest.com/eye-color-age.htm

Who want's to do a little sleuthing with Royal? Can someone call Pomona and see if there is hold back info in the file-does he have fingerprints, DNA, tattoos, a medical disability etc....

 

[believe09]

SNIP
Name Birthdate Deathdate Social Issued Death Place
Gary Hensel Aug 29, 40 March 1971 Indiana 305-44 None spec
BOYD MCCLUNG Aug 29, 43 Oct 1973 Indiana 315-44 None spec
George Lyon Aug 29, 44 June 1970 Indiana 315-44 None spec
Stephan Spiller Aug 29, 51 Aug 1976 Illinois 355-44 None spec
SNIP

These ones typically are Vietnam casualties, but of course they are well worth checking out. I mean, it is hard for me to believe that every single person who served was fingerprinted and that the file is available, but what do I know?

 

[Cubby]

While Dick Biondi's show would have been heard far beyond the boundaries of the Chicago broadcast area because of it airing in the evenings, it is possible Mr. Kyle may recall DJ personalities who aired on some of the local AM stations during the day. I am going to work on compiling a list of am stations and daytime dj's from 1955 through 1970 if I can. These stations would NOT have been heard outside the area during daytime broadcast. If mr Kyle remembers any of the bigger name local dj's it would be a stronger confirmation he grew up in the NW Indiana area.

It may take some time, when I have this compiled I will add it to the question thread for Mr. Kyle. I want to try and eliminate as much discussion on idea's or theory's on that thread, not to 'overwhelm' him with the tremendous amount of info here in this forum, and for him to not feel obligated to read this entire forum. (which would be a task in itself for anyone new to the forum here.)

 

[dreamweaver]

Good point, Dots. My question would be how did he avoid being drafted back in that time period?

Btw~ There were many Burger Chefs in Oklahoma.

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I think WS has lots of info about who and why men were not drafted.
I looked up several sites myself.

But, as I remember it,
Physical showed 4F, could not pass the physical.
Draft number was a good one.
In college.
Could have been a conscientious objector: but might still have been fingerprinted.
Could have fled to Canada. Big anti-war sentiment then.

 

[believe09]

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I think WS has lots of info about who and why men were not drafted.
I looked up several sites myself.

But, as I remember it,
Physical showed 4F, could not pass the physical.
Draft number was a good one.
In college.
Could have been a conscientious objector: but might still have been fingerprinted.
Could have fled to Canada. Big anti-war sentiment then.

My bold and italics-now this would be a fascinating turn of events given how strongly he feels about relinquishing his citizenship in order to get a new SSN...

 

[dreamweaver]

My bold and italics-now this would be a fascinating turn of events given how strongly he feels about relinquishing his citizenship in order to get a new SSN...

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It could be a possibility. If and it is a big IF, he fled to Canada,
he could have came back after the war and there was even amnesty offered to those who went to Canada. Jimmy Carter offered amnesty in 1977.

It was the feeling of some of the anti war crowd back then, that you could still be loyal to the U.S., but not loyal to a government who would send boys off to die in a 'war.'
A war that was not called war. It was a civil war, not of our own making.

But that is a big possibility.

My thought is that Benjaman K was probably either in college or classified 4F.

 

[carolwood]

My thoughts on BK not going to war are his surgeries could have been the reason why he didn't go.

 

[Julessleuther]

I agree and felt they were Vietnam. I did alittle searching last night, but will take these guys and do more tonight! How certain are we about Aug 29th, or is it just as certain as all the other info we have?

SNIP
Name Birthdate Deathdate Social Issued Death Place
Gary Hensel Aug 29, 40 March 1971 Indiana 305-44 None spec
BOYD MCCLUNG Aug 29, 43 Oct 1973 Indiana 315-44 None spec
George Lyon Aug 29, 44 June 1970 Indiana 315-44 None spec
Stephan Spiller Aug 29, 51 Aug 1976 Illinois 355-44 None spec
SNIP

These ones typically are Vietnam casualties, but of course they are well worth checking out. I mean, it is hard for me to believe that every single person who served was fingerprinted and that the file is available, but what do I know?

 

[Julessleuther]

Since I keep shoveling him down everyones throat , I can pick this up too. Give me a few days...

Who want's to do a little sleuthing with Royal? Can someone call Pomona and see if there is hold back info in the file-does he have fingerprints, DNA, tattoos, a medical disability etc....

 

[carolwood]

This was posted at the Gary, Indiana topix board:

"Strange, there is something hauntingly familiar about that face, but can't quite put my finger on it. It could be, and probably is, that it heavily reminds me of someone else. And I would hate to send you down a dead end alley.

First off, the top roll of pictures (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1007umga.html ), the ones of him in older him in his older years, does not bring any sense of recognition. And the bottom row far left, the youngest, which about his age of when I believe I could have seen him, also brings only slight a feeling of possible recognition. But the other picture, as I said, hauntingly familiar, particularly the bottom far right one.

I lived in Denver from the early 70s to the mid 80s, and the sense of recognition of this person also brought the thought of a Japanese Buddhist Center that was in Lakewood CO. It was just north of Colfax Ave and a few blocks west of Simms, on Tabor Street I think. Anyway, the time period would be 82 to 85.

I wish I could bring up a more concrete metal picture of what there is about his face that invokes such a strong sense of familiarity. What I do know, is its not from the time period that I've in northwest Indiana or Indianapolis, but would be in Denver, most likely the early 80s."

 

[dreamweaver]

I agree and felt they were Vietnam. I did alittle searching last night, but will take these guys and do more tonight! How certain are we about Aug 29th, or is it just as certain as all the other info we have?

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dob: aug. 29.. we are just as certain as we are about everything else.
BK remembers this, but.?

 

[bluestarzz]

I have forgotten if this was mentioned on his DNA test, but I beleive that
M-DNA is from his mother to mother. So, I beleive that the Powell name
was mentioned, this would be his mother's family.
bluestarzzz

correct me if I way off base - the spelling is something like Monokrondrial ?

 

[Boyz_Mum]

http://www.brainyhistory.com/days/august_29.html This is a list of events for August 29. There is a link on this page for births of the day (we know MJ was born on this day when BK thinks he was born).

bluestarzz, I think it's "mitochondrial DNA".

 

[bluestarzz]

thank you for the correct spelling
I never could spell lol
bluestarzz

 

[believe09]

I have forgotten if this was mentioned on his DNA test, but I beleive that
M-DNA is from his mother to mother. So, I beleive that the Powell name
was mentioned, this would be his mother's family.
bluestarzzz

correct me if I way off base - the spelling is something like Monokrondrial ?

The Powell genealogy was actually determined from the newer form of testing for Paternal DNA or Y dna testing. BK's MtDna and nuclear DNA has been in CODIS since 2007.