63% Reject Darwin's Theory of Evolution

[Jholi]

Thanks, Jholi, for all the great posts and the clarification. I've been spent 2 days wondering how the ToE could explain the initial onset of life and couldn't figure it out.

And I loved your deconstruction of the poll question and results. It is indeed odd to find someone like myself--who is careful to distinguish between what I believe based on faith and what can be demonstrated by science--lumped in with those who insist their faith in a literal Genesis be equated with scientific knowledge.

Thank you, Nova.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

Thanks all of you for this discussion.

I do remember way back in the late 70's, I had a teacher who had a poster on the wall of evolution (amoeba turning to fish and so on). I don't remember specifically what we were taught in regular school. I find the whole debate intresting.

 

[southcitymom]

.......religious faith may be a lifelong process of questioning and reexamination.

Marry me, Nova!

 

[Nova]

Marry me, Nova!

You know I would, SCM, but not even California is ready to wrestle with the ramifications of that! :blowkiss:

 

[Nova]

ETA: Proving or disproving evolution is not a requirement for "winning souls."

Like Jholi and others, I couldn't agree more with this last statement. If one believes in a supernatural Creator, the glorious diversity resulting from natural selection does Him/Her at least as much credit as a literal reading of the story of Noah and the ark. More, IMHO.

 

[Dark Knight]

Like Jholi and others, I couldn't agree more with this last statement. If one believes in a supernatural Creator, the glorious diversity resulting from natural selection does Him/Her at least as much credit as a literal reading of the story of Noah and the ark. More, IMHO.

And the last statement means that we can still question the theory, as do most Americans, apparently, based on it being highly illogical, captain. We can save souls regardless if someone believes in the theory, is what I mean. i.e. God did the creating, HOW He did it isn't essential to the faith. (Except for fundamentalists and literalists, as that is a major basis of their beliefs.) But it wasn't random or by accident.

 

[kline]

Call me crazy but ive always seen the intricate process of Evolution as evidence of Intelligent Design.
Its like the pointless debate about how old the Earth.
What is a 'Day' to a being who exists outside of time in Eternity?
So I happen to be a Christian who doesnt buy that the last of the Dinosaurs died out in 1957 or so.

 

[yosande]

I do find the results impressive since the schools have been force feeding America's children this propaganda for many years now.
Perhaps what the parents teach their children really does have an affect on them after all. Good News.

 

[yosande]

Hand up high! Me too. I believe God created the earth and all his creation to evolve. Man, animal, plant, bugs, weather, you name it. There's so much intelligent proof out there to show evolution that we can no long deny it occurs and has from beginning of time. GOD+SCIENCE = OUR EARTH

God created it, man screwed it and it's been going downhill ever since, or can't you all tell by what we see everyday on the forums here, or is a mother killing her own daughter natural or evolved in any sense of the word.
God created the natural physical world, and universe, with such obvious signs of the Spiritual Truth that science without the Creator in it is nothing but fantasy, which is what Darwinism is.

I do so enjoy that God hides in plain sight though. He does have such a wonderful sense of humor, imo
I do love Him dearly.

 

[Nova]

I do find the results impressive since the schools have been force feeding America's children this propaganda for many years now.
Perhaps what the parents teach their children really does have an affect on them after all. Good News.

That so many fail to understand the difference between science and propaganda is evidence of bad schooling, not good parenting.

 

[Nova]

It wasn't not knowing that made it smarmy, it was the fact that it sounded like my mom lecturing me, lol.

And the last statement means that we can still question the theory, as do most Americans, apparently, based on it being highly illogical, captain. We can save souls regardless if someone believes in the theory, is what I mean. i.e. God did the creating, HOW He did it isn't essential to the faith. (Except for fundamentalists and literalists, as that is a major basis of their beliefs.) But it wasn't random or by accident.

It isn't Jholi's fault that the rest of us have to pitch in and sub for your mom now and then. It takes a village, you know. :waitasec:

There's nothing "illogical" about the TofE. Quite the contrary. Like all logic, it depends on the accuracy of the presumptions on which it is based, and perhaps science will one day find those presumptions incorrect. (As others have pointed out, science has already modified the TofE based on new understandings of genetics. This is as it should be and as Darwin certainly expected it to be.)

 

[Texana]

Well, Mr. Texana and I adhere to what a Lutheran pastor of ours once said: "God said one thing. Evidence shows another. Therein lies the mystery."

Sounds like an easy out, but basically, we do believe most heartily that both faith and the scientific evidence can be true.

We do not believe entirely that mankind came to being without any divine intervention. We do not believe that Darwin's theory of evolution should be discarded altogether.

Therein lies the mystery.

 

[Boyz_Mum]

SOMEBODY'S RAISING THEIR KID RIGHT!

One Nation, 'Under God.'

One day a 6-year old girl was sitting in a classroom. The teacher was going to explain evolution to the children. The teacher asked a little boy: Tommy do you see the tree outside?

TOMMY: Yes.

TEACHER: Tommy, do you see the grass outside?

TOMMY: Yes.

TEACHER: Go outside and look up and see if you can see the sky.

TOMMY: Okay. (He returned a few minutes later) Yes, I saw the sky.

TEACHER: Did you see God up there?

TOMMY: No.

TEACHER: That's my point. We can't see God because he isn't there. Possibly he just doesn't exist.

A little girl spoke up and wanted to ask the boy some questions.

The teacher agreed and the little girl asked the boy: Tommy, do you see the tree outside?

TOMMY: Yes.

LITTLE GIRL: Tommy do you see the grass outside?

TOMMY: Yessssss!

LITTLE GIRL: Did you see the sky?

T OMMY: Yessssss!

LITTLE GIRL: Tommy, do you see the teacher?

TOMMY: Yes

LITTLE GIRL: Do you see her brain?

TOMMY: No

LITTLE GIRL: Then according to what we were taught today in school, she possibly may not even have one!

(You Go Girl!)

FOR WE WALK BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT'
II CORINTHIANS 5:7

Don't forget to pass this on! I love this one. Everyone should send this to everyone they know, especially today with prayer restricted in schools.

(I just thought that some of you would like this. )

 

[Nova]

Well, Mr. Texana and I adhere to what a Lutheran pastor of ours once said: "God said one thing. Evidence shows another. Therein lies the mystery."

Sounds like an easy out, but basically, we do believe most heartily that both faith and the scientific evidence can be true.

We do not believe entirely that mankind came to being without any divine intervention. We do not believe that Darwin's theory of evolution should be discarded altogether.

Therein lies the mystery.

Very wise, Tex, very wise indeed.

I would only add that God and science speak in different languages, God's being highly metaphorical and profound. Apparent disagreement is often a case of reading God's word as if it were an article in a scientific journal.

 

[IrishMist]

Darwin stopped being religious when his 9 year old daughter died. He reasoned that no loving God would have allowed that to happen, so he began his research to prove there was another way we were created.

If someone had reminded him that the same loving God loved us so much that He allowed His own Son to die an agonizing death, Darwin may never have even sought out to prove He didn't exist. God doesn't make us go through anything He hasn't or wouldn't experience Himself. If His own Son had to die, as innocent as He was, why should Darwin, or any of us, be so special as to be spared the same, when called upon to do so?

This is confusing to me.
When God lost His son, His son came home to him. (He got to be with him.)

When we lose one of our children, we lose them for the rest of our lives...

I know that isn't the point of the thread, and someone else has already commented on Darwin's questioning of his belief before the loss of his child, but this type of statement just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[PaperDoll]

I believe God created all living things. I don't believe for one minute we came from a monkey.. lol, nor do we reincarnate into something else and come back to earth after we die. I believe man has been man from day one, monkey is a monkey, dog is a dog, fish are fish etc.... We can not mate with a monkey and produce a living being, we can not mate with a fish, dog or any other animal. Doesn't work that way. We can only reproduce with humans.

ok, all of what I just said, may not be what DK intended on this thread. I just thought I'd jump in and add my 3 cents worth of wonderul knowledge that I have because it has to come out sometime.. :crazy: :crazy: :waitasec: See what 3 cups of coffee do to me. :crazy: :crazy:

 

[Jack]

Maybe we should have our own poll, no discussion allowed. That would be interesting. I for one believe in evolution. Its too obvious not to. I also believe that there is a higher power, some of us choose to call that higher power God. I don't believe those two beliefs have to be mutually exclusive.

 

[winston]

The History channel has a cool show about how the earth was formed. Check it out... very interesting.

http://www.history.com/video.do?name=How_the_Earth_Was_Made

Me, well Dad was raised (slapped on the knuckles by Nuns) Catholic and Mom ????? I love science. Can't dismiss the physical evidence....

 

[Dark Knight]

This is confusing to me.
When God lost His son, His son came home to him. (He got to be with him.)

When we lose one of our children, we lose them for the rest of our lives...

I know that isn't the point of the thread, and someone else has already commented on Darwin's questioning of his belief before the loss of his child, but this type of statement just doesn't make sense to me.

We lose them for the rest of our earthly lives. If we believe in Him, we will be reunited alongside both God and Jesus for the same eternity, in OUR new home. So we get to be with our children again, too. So look beyond your worldly existance/perspective and you will see how it is the same from God's perspective.

 

[Dark Knight]

I believe God created all living things. I don't believe for one minute we came from a monkey.. lol, nor do we reincarnate into something else and come back to earth after we die. I believe man has been man from day one, monkey is a monkey, dog is a dog, fish are fish etc.... We can not mate with a monkey and produce a living being, we can not mate with a fish, dog or any other animal. Doesn't work that way. We can only reproduce with humans.

ok, all of what I just said, may not be what DK intended on this thread. I just thought I'd jump in and add my 3 cents worth of wonderul knowledge that I have because it has to come out sometime.. :crazy: :crazy: :waitasec: See what 3 cups of coffee do to me. :crazy: :crazy:

And why would monkeys still exist? We'd be the only species living alongside our lesser evolved "cousins." No one can ever say why there are still monkeys around if we evolved from them, and why that applies only to humans. There is another unanswerable question that comes from that same line of thinking, but I won't turn this into a discussion of the theory.

Ariel and I are considering starting a thread this summer in the Parking Lot or Unmoderated Forum debating this topic. Hopefully the usual suspects will be brave enough to join us. :crazy: