7.0 Earthquake Hits Haiti Hospital Collapses

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Adopted Haitian kids were almost home when quake hit

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We were two or three weeks away from going there to get her," Boston said Thursday. "We're so afraid. We expect rioting to happen soon. What little food they have is in jeopardy. ... We're trying to appeal for help in getting these children special status."
More at link >>>>>>>>>
http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/01/15/haiti.orphan.adoptions/index.html

Many sad stories will come out of this earth quake :(
 
  • #202
Thanks to you and everyone else listing reputable charities. My favorites for this situation are Oxfam, Doctors Without Borders and Yele Haiti.These are all organizations that actually deliver to the countries they serve without nonsense. Yele Haiti is a charity run by Wyclef Jean, a Haitian musician who never forget his homeland or its people. He personally sees to it that the people who need it most are helped thorugh his charity. The people in Haiti treat him like a God.
And they should...I think Wyclef Jean is a good one, so is doctors without boarders I don't know Oxgam....
But I read up a bit before I made my donation; I love it when the money goes where it is intended to go. :)
 
  • #203
I am frustrated as well. I understand there are logistical issues but can't we get some ships with helicopters over there and just air drop tons of supplies, water, etc? Just bombard them with supplies from the air? If roads are impassible and the airport is log-jammed, how about boats, helicopters? I keep hearing that the bulk of all that aid is not getting to them, how people are standing around at the airport waiting for orders. It kills me.
It seems the U.S. now has control of the airport and is taking control of the relief efforts. Okay, so set up a central command at the airport where all the nations, agencies, charities can check in and create neighborhood by neighborhood grids, sending certain relief efforts to each neighborhood or grid - a certain amount of water, supplies, blankets, medicine, food, rescue personnel, doctors to each grid. They can also send someone to each grid to count the dead and request info re the missing.
Also, each neighborhood should be designated an area to be cleared for burials and each person buried should be photographed and/or listed in a log with identifying info like sex, approx. age, clothing, etc., and all that info compiled into a national database so that people will know what happened to their loved ones.
Before that command center is set up, just flood the streets with whoever shows up to help. It may seem easier to me than it is but what the heck? I see a lot of countries and agencies responding to the call for help, so it seems like there is enough help to go around. If the reporters can get in, so can relief agencies.
My throat has had a large lump in it for days now. This is one of the worst tragedies we have seen in a while.
Much of the officeals are dead too, as is thier communications systems.
dropping things from the sky will only create a war zpne they are upset and desperate and you cant blame them.

I think it will take a little time to get the communications going and then order will fall into place they are meeting daily at 3:00 and computers are on their way to assist with making some order. But you are right every area should have a station for food and a station for medical care.
the challenge is getting any food or meds to them. Transportation is also crippled, and lack of gas is a problem.

the world came to help but the obstacles are many.
I just hope it wont be like Katrina where people slept in some make shift shelter while thousands of mobile homes sat there waiting in parking lots for years.
I pray for order and communications fast....
 
  • #204
I agree, there is no order. In the past billions of dollars have been given to Haiti for the people and to strengthen infrastructure. It has not happened, the money is gone. People in America are giving their money thru their tax dollars. That plus all the pledges and money given by celebrities. In my opinion, if I was without food for myself and my children, the date on a cracker box would be the least of my worries. I would eat it to stave off hunger and ask questions later. I can't really sympathize with those people who are angry because of the date of food, which by the way they are wrong about, when the world is trying to get help in there. Anything being done is being hampered by the Haitians. This is the result of no government, no respect and honor among the people. I wish them the best and I pray for their rescue, but as a citizen of the USA I think my President giving money, troops and equipment is charity enough.

Look at Haiti, half the island is the Domenican Republic, they are prosperous, Haiti is beseiged by tragedy, I wonder why.

Like many countries, Haiti has had huge problems with corruption. But, you must not know much about the Haitian people themselves. They are very patient people who help themselves and one another. They are used to not having what they need or help from their gov so they do for themselves and each other. They are very grateful and gracious people, by and large.
Someone above talked about a riot at a Walmart over a sale. It has been how many days so far? And yet, the incidents of violence, in the face of extreme deprivation, have been miniscule. Just imagine how often we grab a drink of water, turn up the heat or the air conditioner, grab a snack, use a toilet, take a shower, sleep under a roof with a blanket, etc. Now imagine not being able to do any of those things for 8 hours, one day, two, three, four. These people were eating mudcakes before this happened. They were already in a weakened state. Now, they are dying. They are watching their babies die as relief piles up at the airports and doesn't get to them. And still, there has been little violence. I don't know what I would do if I saw my child slowly dying and begging, "Mama, Mama, I'm thirsty. Please!"
If a few people delirious in their pain, hunger and dehydration who have seen almost no help come and have tried so hard to keep their hopes alive only to realize as each day passes that none is coming, go a bit nuts when they see an expired date on a box of biscuits, can you blame them that much? In their weakened state, in their hopeless, helpless position, SOME are going to think they have been forsaken and will be certain that assistance offered must be a mirage, must be instead something that will kill them even quicker.
However, MOST of these very resilient people will fight for a bite of that biscuit tossed on the ground.
Let me end with a note of caution, though. I do not believe every news report I see. There are people and news agencies with ulterior motives who care nothing for people such as these and want the rest of America to feel the same way. I saw nonsense reports like this during Hurricane Katrina, about people shooting at rescue helicopters, rapes and murders in the Superdome. It was all utterly false, so I approach such reports with some skepticism.
The bottom line is that we are Americans. We, by and large, have a heart and extend our hands to others regardless of race, nationality, whatever, with a long history of compassion and sacrifice for those less fortunate.
Surely, those little children in Haiti right now, crying for food, crying for water, deserve some of that good ol' American compassion.
Negativity and nay-saying regarding the people in need at a time of such catastrophe have no power and no place, at least for me.
 
  • #205
Any updates on the missing Lynn University students & professors ?

They originally were accounted for and now they say they have never been found.

Courtney Hayes, Britney Gengel, Stephanie Crispinelli were believed found and now that is not the case.

also, Christine Gianacani, Patrick Hartwick (professor) & Richard Bruno (professor) remain missing as well.
 
  • #206
I read about the orphanages and I want to adopt one.
I read about a child without parents and I want to go take care of the child.
I read about how they cant dig out the living because they don't have equipment and I cry,
because getting machinery to them is a huge challenge.
I read about water and food need and my heartaches.

This is big and I have to remove myself a little.
GOD BLESS the Rescue team.
GOD BLESS the people.
 
  • #207
Gitana, I am touched also by their need. The difference I guess is that I am jaded by their abuse of help in the past. I said I wished them the best and I do and I don't think the things I mentioned were false or that anyone is trying to deny them help. It seems to me that everyone is doing about all they can to extend aid to these people. And I guess I would feel more generous if the USA were not sending money to the Palestinians and were using our resources to help the elderly and children in need here in the USA. The silent hunger here in America is overwhelming and I don't see celebrities helping with that. JMO
 
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Gitana, I am touched also by their need. The difference I guess is that I am jaded by their abuse of help in the past. I said I wished them the best and I do and I don't think the things I mentioned were false or that anyone is trying to deny them help. It seems to me that everyone is doing about all they can to extend aid to these people. And I guess I would feel more generous if the USA were not sending money to the Palestinians and were using our resources to help the elderly and children in need here in the USA. The silent hunger here in America is overwhelming and I don't see celebrities helping with that. JMO

But, it's not the PEOPLE of Haiti that are to blame. It's the authorities there, the establishment, what little exists. Also, donating to aid organizations means you are giving money to people in need, not the corrupt Haitian system.
Moreover, I don't care if we are giving money to the Palestinians! I'm glad! If we had been doing that for a long time, there would be less desperation there. Less desperation means less terrorism. I know this a sensitive issue and I do believe the Jewish people deserve a homeland, but the utter tragedy that is Palestine and the Palestinian people has created not only the on-going violence between Israel and Palestine, but also has contributed to growing extremism in the middle east as a whole, targeting the west.
Also, IMO, you can't have it both ways. You say that you won't give to a charity for Haitian relief because the government is essentially forcing you to contribute via your taxes, some of which go to Haiti. But, if you think that money actually goes to Palestine, than how are you helping the victims in Haiti?
Further, I agree that we have huge problems in this country that go unaddressed. I am totally on board with you there. So does Bolivia, Cuba, Iceland even, and a host of other countries that are pouring into Haiti to help. You see, at times such as these, times of such emergency, such catastrophe of epic proportions, nations extend a hand despite their own problems. Because the world basically understands that we are all God's creatures. No one nation or people is more loved by God than another or more deserving of help. And, on a practical note, catastrophic disasters such as this soon become all of our problems if we don't help. Lack of help leads to unrest leads to wars leads to problems for Americans abroad and at home.
Finally, what do you mean celebrities don't help with the hunger and other problems right here at home? Ever heard of Brad Pitts foundation to rebuild Louisiana? What about Feed the Children who were on my t.v. set each Saturday for hours with a host of celebrities, including many musicians, advocating relief to our hungry in Appalachia and elsewhere? How about New Yorkers for Children, an agency that helps foster kids in the U.S. and which attracts various American celebrities each year to its events wrapping presents for foster kids? What about Patrick Dempsey's cancer center in Maine? Or Hilary Swank cutting off her hair to donate to American women who lost theirs to cancer? I can go on and on. But helping others in other parts of the world does not have to mean forsaking our own.
I can't count how many people I have seen on websleuths who donate their unemployment or disability money to some organization, whether its to help Haitians or to help missing people right here at home. Surely those Americans with a bit more to spare can do both. To me, love and generosity know no bounds.
 
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Just arrived docs, medics and supplies to field tent hospital were asked to leave--have left-with the medicine due to security concerns. Have left the patients there (possibly one doc stayed).
UN ordered.(?) Picked up by bus

No one seems to understand why.....didn't seem to medics to be problem.
So sad.
 
  • #212
Just arrived docs, medics and supplies to field tent hospital were asked to leave--have left-with the medicine due to security concerns. Have left the patients there (possibly one doc stayed).
UN ordered.(?) Picked up by bus

No one seems to understand why.....didn't seem to medics to be problem.
So sad.

What the heck? if they don't just get in there and do what needs to be done, there could be such chaos that it will be worse than if they had never tried to go there to begin with. I saw a piece about Bolivian UN Peacekeepers who just decided to act on their own without any authorization from anyone. They simply went into a very poor neighborhood and organized food delivery. The Haitians were lined up very orderly and receiving their plates of food. If the Bolivians can do it, surely others can.
 
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They are going to relocate them to another field hospital earlier morn supposedly. No one wanted to leave. Don't know what the issue is-no mods/looting seen to those there. Maybe possible given threat or aftershock possibility, lots of questions.

Yes--medicine and medic help is needed right now!!!! Sad Sad Sad

I saw that about the Bolivian team--good on them! Well done.
 
  • #214
I just read the problem is that some of the Haitians are using machetes and killing folks. There is fighting and chaos. No one can guarantee the safety of anyone there to help. Even the military cannot guarantee the safety of the doctors and those passing out food.

I'm against our soldiers even being there.

Gitana, I know you are not going to agree, but 70 percent of the population of Haiti practices voodoo. In my estimation they are an evil people.

I said I contributed to Haiti thru taxes and I wouldn't mind so much if I didn't have to give to the Palestinians thru taxes, they don't cancel each other, Obama is our President hes giving everything to our enemies. If it came down to it, Haiti would fight against us, no matter what help we provided. I know that it would be wrong to with hold help on that premise, but I don't want Americans to be sacrificed or our country to be bankrupted because of Haiti. People from Haiti will now be allowed to come to USA, put in Republican states and vote for democrats assuring Obama wins in 2012. If you think this won't happen, even now, Haitians that are here illegally are being let stay and many are criminals. The Haitians are blocking roadways with cadavers to protest aid being so slow, how arrogant is that? Everyone is working like dogs to get them help. If I was in charge and going into Haiti, seeing the roads blocked with dead people, I would turn around and let them handle it themselves. Glad I'm not in charge. No one should be forced to risk their lives for this people, and I'm talking about our military.

Look on the celebrity thing, they all do some things for political favor or newsevents, but no one is really helping the American elderly and children. How many children in the USA didn't have a gift for Christmas? I don't know, but I think it was alot. How many didn't have Christmas dinner? I'm just tired of putting all our resources somewhere else when our own people are doing without. Homes are being foreclosed and we are sending money to the Palestianians. Sorry you feel we should be supporting them, they are animals, and should leave where they are at. But , back to Haiti. Why don't they flea to the Domenican Republic? I guess its because the Dom. Rep has put up a security fence to block them because of their brutal ways. I'm sorry we cannot agree, but that is what a forum is for, expressing opinions.
 
  • #215
Ok, I’m going to give this a shot. I have been here and have been posting what we were hearing on our local news.

First, and foremost, I TRULY PRAY FOR THESE PEOPLE and I TRULY BELIEVE WE SHOULD HELP!

With that said - here is what a lot of us here in South Florida are trying to come to grips with. The Haitian people have been here (in the US - specifically South Florida) going on 3 decades now. That’s right - well over 20 years.

They come here mostly to get an education. They are the smart and “civilized” ones. Please stop and think about this “people” and country. These people know very little about civilization and really have no society. And this has gone on now for decades. We, here in Florida, have sent billions in aid over the past 20 years. Whether it be hurricanes, political unrest, food riots, even the school collapse last year, we always help. Yet, there has been no progress. They have no building codes - yet are in the main path of the huge hurricanes. The Haitian people that have come here seem to “forget” their homeland once here. The government there seems to ignore any and all advice from engineers, urban planners, infrastructure designers, electrical experts, etc. The people over there are not educated - they do not understand logistics, most can’t even read. So how are we to expect them to understand and act rationally in the face of disaster?

About 7 - 8 years ago I was involved with helping a school over there. We collected 2 cargo boxes of books, crayons, paper, - you name it. When we tried to get it over there the Haitian government put up roadblock after roadblock. Then when we finally got the shipping problem solved, the government intercepted all the stuff and none of it made it to the school or the children. My friend (who has a PhD and is Haitian) that organized all of it was beyond frustrated. He gave up - he got the rest of his family out and hasn’t looked back. Now that may sound cruel but remember I have said that stuff like this has gone on for over 20 years.

The people of Haiti are, by our terms, very much uncivilized. If you are lucky enough to be in the upper 15% you can get electricity for 4 hours a day. That’s it. And then the very “wealthy” have generators for power during the “off” hours. They live in dirt floor shacks - no running water - no plumbing at all. They have lived this way for decades - generations have been raised and gone on to father children and raise them with no noticeable improvement of their plight. Many many many thousands (if not millions) have left the country, become highly educated and do everything they can to help their country. But to no avail. The people that have stayed there have seemed to develop a mindset that someone will always come to help them. That’s all they know, that’s all they have grown up with, that’s all they have passed down to their children. The USA will always come bail them out. Which we should - we should help but, from someone who has watched this over and over and over, I have to wonder when we will finally say - “we are here to help, we are here to help you rebuild but you have to listen to us and learn how to do things the right way so we don’t have to come back and do this again.

Then you have the “criminals”. Every race, every country, everywhere have their “undesirables”. The Haitian “thugs” (for lack of a better word) are vicious, cruel and very violent. Just a few months ago West Palm Beach police led a huge “attack” on a particularly violent Haitian gang (Top 6) and arrested several members. Don’t forget the prison there collapsed and all those inmates are now loose.

I’m very afraid of how this might turn. We are getting our soldiers there and we are going to need a lot of them (the population of Port au Prince is over 2 million). All its going to take is for a few “thugs” to cause an incident and one of our soldiers be forced to fire. At that point the good ole USA is going to look very very bad. The food riots in 2008 were horrific.

There is going to be a mass exodus from this country and soon. There was an article in our local paper today about how the 3 counties down here are already preparing for the influx of Haitian children to our schools. Our system down here is over capacity now. Everywhere I go around here people are collecting and giving but are also saying they are worried about what is going to happen here when the boats start washing up and how many of those prisoners will be among them. Our government services are so strapped here now - food stamps, AFDC, section 8 housing, etc. etc. we just don’t have it to give. We are very worried.

I pray that out of this horrible disaster a new Haiti emerges. One that has stable well-built buildings, schools with books and supplies to truly educate the children of this generation, an infrastructure that is adequate and well maintained. Until that happens we will continue to put “band aids” on this country that is truly in shambles.

As for the doctors that were asked to leave - it was over safety concerns There are bands of young men roving the streets with machetes. It is complete lawlessness. We have local reporters there and tonight on the 11 o’clock news they said they are becoming more and more worried about their safety. The supplies are getting there but getting those supplies out of the airport compound is a nightmare and very dangerous. So until we have enough military might to escort the relief workers in distributing all the stuff nothing is going to move. We certainly don’t want to risk plunging this country into a “war zone”.

I don’t want anyone here to misunderstand what I am trying to say. I have wrestled with myself over trying to post this for days. Its just most of our country don’t realize what we have been dealing with here for decades. Its sad - especially for the children. But if we truly want to help these people and this country we have to “teach them how to fish” instead of just “giving them the fish”.
 
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/15/haiti.updates/index.html?hpt=T1

Look here for news updates on the aftermath of a 7.0 earthquake that struck Haiti. All times are Haiti local time, which is the same as Eastern Standard Time in the U.S. and five hours behind GMT.

(CNN) -- 10:54 p.m. -- People looking for loved ones in Haiti are posting their pictures on CNN.com's iReport page dedicated to them. Likewise, people in Haiti are sending messages out to say they're OK.

Are you there? Send us images, video

10:45 p.m. -- CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent Sanjay Gupta is the only doctor left at a makeshift hospital in Port-au-Prince after medical personnel were told by United Nations officials to leave the area. "There is concern about riots not far from here -- and this is part of the problem," Gupta said.

10:16 p.m. -- Officials caution that international aid teams arriving in Haiti need to be self-sufficient or they'll be putting pressure on services that are already strained: "If aid personnel arrive needing support in terms of transportation, lodging, food, and water, this just puts additional stress on services that are already constrained and needed by the Haitian population," said Dr. Jon Andrus, deputy director of the Pan American Health Organization.

10:07 p.m. -- Hundreds of people filled the pews of a Catholic church in this suburb of Washington, D.C., Friday evening to offer prayers for members of the area's Haitian community in the wake of the earthquake in their homeland.

9:54 p.m. -- A general lack of resources in makeshift medical clinics means patients are undergoing amputations without anesthesia and staff are cleaning apparatus with soap and water, according to CNN Medical Correspondent Elizabeth Cohen. "They're not even low-tech, they're no tech," she says. Read more

9:49 p.m. -- A top United Nations official acknowledges that the earthquake relief operation in Haiti is not progressing fast enough: "You can't snap your fingers and make it happen just by magic," U.N. Emergency Relief Coordinator John Holmes says. "We will do it, slowly and surely."

9:07 p.m. -- Yéle Haiti, the charity organization founded by musician Wyclef Jean, denies allegations that the organization is misusing donations: "Wyclef Jean, the founder of Yéle Haiti, has never profited from his organization. It's a shame that during this international emergency, we have had to divert resources away from our response efforts to address these allegations," says Hugh Locke, president of Yéle Haiti.

8:39 p.m. -- Aftershocks continue to rock Haiti's capital city of Port-au-Prince. Some are barely perceptable, others shake the ground, eliciting screams. One pair of overnight aftershocks were so strong they compelled a resting CNN crew to throw on their shoes and leave their rooms as a precaution.

8:09 p.m. -- Kids Alive International, an international orphan rescue group, is planning to bring 50 Haitian orphans to group homes in the Dominican Republic until new homes can be built for them in Haiti, the group said Friday.

7:51 p.m. -- Fire trucks and tanker trucks are sporadically driving around distributing drinkable water in a sign that food and water is slowly becoming available, according to CNN Radio's Steve Kastenbaum. At a U.N. distribution center guarded by Bolivian peacekeeping troops, thousands of plates of cooked rice and chicken were handed out to Haitians waiting in an orderly line.

7:30 p.m. -- The World Food Program gearing up to distribute ready-to-eat food rations to 2 million people in quake-stricken Haiti. WFP is part of the United Nations system and is voluntarily funded. Read more

7:25 p.m. -- The U.S. Postal Service is holding mail destined for Haiti, a spokeswoman said. Mail addressed to Haiti will still be accepted at post offices, but will be held until alternative transportation arrangements become available.

6:57 p.m. -- The deaths of three American citizens have been announced by their families or others. It is not known if they were among the five confirmed by The State Department. They are Jean Arnwine of Dallas, Texas; Molly Hightower, 22, of Port Orchard, Washington; and Benjamin Larson, 25, a student at Wartburg Theological Seminary in Dubuque, Iowa.

6:16 p.m. -- An 11-year-old girl who was rescued yesterday from a pile of rubble that was her home has died, CNN's Ivan Watson reports. Rescue workers struggled to extract the girl as she wailed in pain under the weight of the rubble, which had crushed her leg. Her family says she died an hour after she was rescued. Watch her story

6:06 p.m. -- Entertainer Lady Gaga will donate all the proceeds from her January 24 show in New York City to relief efforts, a representative for her label, Interscope, said. She will also donate proceeds from all merchandise purchased that day at the venue and on her Web site.

5:46 p.m. -- U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano announced Friday that she is designating a temporary protected status for Haitian nationals who were in the United States as of Tuesday. Napolitano said the temporary status allows an estimated 100,000 to 200,000 Haitian nationals in the nation illegally to stay in the United States for 18 months.

5:38 p.m. -- The State Department has launched a "Person Finder" tool on its site that helps people find and share information on missing loved ones in Haiti.

5:02 p.m. -- At least 100 bodies were discovered by a CNN crew in one open pit outside Port-au-Prince, along with several other pits half-filled or completely covered over with earth. In the capital city, bodies litter the streets, and barely functioning clinics are overwhelmed. There is still no confirmed death toll, but the Haitian consul general to the United Nations has estimated the toll could top 100,000. Watch (graphic content)

4:43 p.m. -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announces she will travel to Haiti tomorrow with U.S. Agency for International Development Director Rajiv Shah. Clinton, the first major U.S. official to travel to the quake-battered country, will meet with President Rene Preval and other members of the government. Watch

4:28 p.m. -- Philadelphia 76ers center and Haiti native Samuel Dalembert taped a public service announcement for UNICEF encouraging fans to contribute to relief efforts. UNICEF volunteers will also be available to collect donations from fans at tonight's home game at the Wachovia Center.

3:47 p.m. -- As of Friday afternoon, corporate America had pledged more than $40 million in donations to support earthquake relief efforts in Haiti, according to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Read more

3:20 p.m. -- A number of celebrities, including George Clooney, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, are contributing to Haiti relief efforts, according to ABC News. Clooney and MTV are working on a telethon for Haiti later this month, ABC said.

2:04 p.m. -- Images from Google Earth illustrate the devastation wrought by Haiti's earthquake. Watch

1:47 p.m. -- President Obama confirmed Friday that he will team up with former Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush to discuss how best to encourage a broad-based national volunteer relief effort for Haiti. The three leaders will meet Saturday at the White House.

1:30 p.m. -- The United Nations announced Friday that at least 37 of its personnel have died -- 36 with the U.N. mission and one with the World Food Programme. The number of unaccounted for U.N. people stands at 330 out of the 12,000 people working for U.N. organizations in Haiti before the earthquake.

1:12 p.m. -- "The entire world stands with the government and the people of Haiti," President Obama said at the White House. He said the United States bears a special responsibility to help Haiti, given the countries' close proximity.

12:55 p.m. -- Pop star Madonna announced she has donated $250,000 to Partners in Health, a health care provider in Haiti. "My prayers are with the people of Haiti," statement from the singer said. "I can't imagine the terrible pain and suffering they are experiencing. Sadly the depths of the tragedy are just becoming known and the need for our support grows more urgent with every passing moment."

12:10 p.m. -- Jimmy O, a well-known singer and songwriter in Haiti who also was active in hip-hop artist and philanthropist Wyclef Jean's charity, is dead. Jimmy O, 35, was crushed in a vehicle in downtown Port-au-Prince during the earthquake.

11:30 a.m. -- President Obama spoke with Haitian President Rene Preval for about 30 minutes Friday morning, according to the White House. Obama reiterated his pledge of help, and Preval asked him to pass a message to the American people: "From the bottom of my heart and on behalf of the Haitian people, thank you, thank you, thank you."
 
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Ok, I’m going to give this a shot. I have been here and have been posting what we were hearing on our local news.

First, and foremost, I TRULY PRAY FOR THESE PEOPLE and I TRULY BELIEVE WE SHOULD HELP!

With that said -
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I don’t want anyone here to misunderstand what I am trying to say. I have wrestled with myself over trying to post this for days. Its just most of our country don’t realize what we have been dealing with here for decades. Its sad - especially for the children. But if we truly want to help these people and this country we have to “teach them how to fish” instead of just “giving them the fish”.

BBM

Thank you for bringing your unique and informed perspective to this issue altogether.

Kudos too!
 
  • #218
I just watched a segment by Anderson Cooper that featured Sanjay Gupta and a man who helped in the rescues after Hurricane Katrina. Sanjay Gupta is at the hospital Petra above posted about that was abandoned by medical personnel on orders of the U.N. leaving people who just had surgery, etc., alone. The medical professionals did not want to leave. They told news reporters how to manage IV's and left. Gupta stayed and is provding medical treatment, on his own. These reporters have been in Port Au Prince for days, through the nights. They have not seen the kind of violence UN security is so afraid of. They state that, much like what happened with Hurrican Katrina, the UN is coming in with guns and security concerns are prevening aid from getting there and making the situation much more unstable.
The man who assisted with the hurricane said that it's fear of poor people that is leading to the delay in aid.
I think fear in general is to blame. I saw some cameraman simply jump in and extricate a baby girl who had been in the rubble for 62 hours as the rescuers stood by watching because they were too afraid to go quickly. He said, "I have babies, I could not stand by and watch her die."
Not one major news station, FOX, CNN, MSNBC has reported roving bands of gangs killing people. But I have seen men with machetes going throguh the streets and I heard they are prepared to fight for food.
The reporters seem frustrated and confused and upset about the lack of aid.
Anderson Cooper said, "People think this is a country without any order, just chaos. But there IS order. I have seen people banding together to help one another, to bury their neighbors, to rescue people."
He talked about the Bolivian UN able to get the help to the people in an orderly manner and seemed to wonder why that can't happen elsewhere.
To SWAG - are you aware that the Haitian immigrants to the U.S. essentially fuel the Haitian economy with aid they send back home, much like Cuban expats? So, I do not think they forget their people back home.
I just think that it is such a poor, third world country with so much entrenched corruption from above (as in the government and the wealthy there, what little there are), that efforts to assist the country seem to get swallowed up and there is little progress.
Some experts are suggesting that this crisis, if handled by the international community correctly, could acutally turn the tables for Haiti in the long run. I hope so. Something has to change.
Haiti is a sad, poor, third world country. The poorest nation in the western hemisphere. But I refuse to call these poor people, who I have seen on t.v. committing incredible acts of humanity towards one another, "uncivilized". The government, the infrastructure certainly is, but I refuse to believe that there exist whole populations that are evil, or savages or beyond hope.
If we fail to heed their call however, I will expect scenes of violence. When people become desperate and mad with hunger, fear and thirst. They will strike out. So would we. People all over the world will fight to survive if they must.
 
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20/20 had a good program tonight incorporating the history of Haiti. Unfortunately I missed the first half. They talked about past leaders, the amount of aid the country has received from the U.S. since 1991 (3 billion - could that be right?) and how hard former President Clinton worked to assist Haiti progress without much success.

My husband, who went there several times many years ago, told me he'd tell me his thoughts at a later date. He said it would seem cruel to express his opinion at this time. He mentioned the word corruption. He has compassion for the affected individuals and wants to see them receive help during this trying time. Other than that, some things never change is all he would say for now.
 
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I wouldn't go so far as to assume that the reporters aren't doing more than what we see them doing. Anderson, for example, was quite active in rescues during Katrina.
Surely you saw Sanja Guptka helping that little 15 day old baby, yes?
Also, the roads in Port Au Prince are blocked. And, if there is a Sams Club or a Walmart, which I sincerely doubt, they are surely out of water by now. I personally am thankful that the reporters and camera people are there.


Sanja Gupta was the ONLY doctor working tonite at saving patients. The other doctors left due to security issues, but since CNN is covering Sanja Gupta, he was able to stay and treat patients, with the help of the security team from CNN.
 

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