911 Call- THE TRUTH

[Show Me]

Originally posted by Witness2
I don't understand any reason for the Ramsey's to lie unless one of them killed JonBenet. I mean if you were really trying to help the police catch the kidnappers and get your daughter back safely, wouldn't you want to tell them the truth about every detail?

EXACTLY Witness2...you said it well!

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by SisterSocks
Blaze , I (me ,myself)don't believe the Ramsey's kill JB.

BTW Why do you put all the words in dictionary ?
Really we all have the option to hit edit and look up a word ....


Its really a waste of band width. Thanks.

Educate me : what's "waste of BAND WIDTH" mean?

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by SisterSocks
Blaze , I (me ,myself)don't believe the Ramsey's kill JB.

BTW Why do you put all the words in dictionary ?
Really we all have the option to hit edit and look up a word ....
Its really a waste of band width. Thanks.

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by SisterSocks
Blaze , I (me ,myself)don't believe the Ramsey's kill JB.

BTW Why do you put all the words in dictionary ?
Really we all have the option to hit edit and look up a word ....

"Is your "believe" in order/correct/up-to-par per JonBenet/Justice?

Just curious!Share!Thank Tou!

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by Shylock
Sis, have you been following this whole saga?
Limp Wood claims there is NO conversation at all on the end of the tape. No "Help me Jesus"--no nothing. He claims Thomas is a liar and the BPD made the whole story up to make the Ramseys look guilty.

Now that anyone who listens can hear Patsy's voice, it's obvious that what Thomas wrote is in deed fact, and Wood is the one with the wrong story.

I don't think we can call Wood a liar, because it appears he was given an edited tape by Keenan that ended well before the recorded part in question.

And I think that the CD version which DOES contain Patsy's voice, but also contains a 4-5 second gap right after it, virtually gaurantees that Thomas is also right about John and Burke's voice being on it.

So SHYLOCK... in plain English/no french ... what are you "saying/stating/posting?"

 

[Shylock]

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Originally posted by Nedthan Johns
My thoughts are since this 911 tape has been released WHY hasn't Burke been called in for re-questioning and been allowed to hear the tape for himself?

Ned, I think what you are asking for already happened during the Grand Jury investigation.
I also think Burke's "selective recall" would be even more "selective" at this late date...if you know what I mean.

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by Britt
(above quote from the Denver Post article)

Patsy is not screaming, not even close. It's more like a chant or a moan... eerie, actually.

OK...so it depends on one's perspective/attitude? WHAT's THE DIFFERENCE between a CHANT... and a MOAN ... and a SCREAM? in regards to JonBenet?

 

[SisterSocks]

The difference is.... JonBenet is dead the screamer, moaner and, the intruder that killed JB is alive.

 

[Britt]

Originally posted by Blazeboy3
WHAT's THE DIFFERENCE between a CHANT... and a MOAN ... and a SCREAM? in regards to JonBenet?

A real scream, e.g. a shriek like "Oh my poor baby! Help, Jesus!!" or something like that IMO would suggest to me a genuine kidnapping/distraught mother.

Instead, we hear a low monotone repetitive "Help me Jesus," which IMO suggests someone in deep chit praying for the strength to get herself out of this mess.

The Burke/John conversation is where it gets really interesting IMO. It sounds as if only part of it is caught on the tape. At one point Burke says "Well what DID you find?" -- emphasis on the "did." I wonder if Burke overheard that John had found JonBenét's body in the basement, and asked John about it, to which John replied that no, he didn't find JB (obviously not... after all, she'd been kidnapped and they were in the process of calling the police), so Burke asked "Well what DID you find?" Just speculating on the meaning of emphasizing the word "did" in that question. I wonder what the entire John/Burke exchange included, and if there's some potentially devastating (for the Ramseys) stuff and that's why they're so terrified of that 911 enhancement.

 

[Shylock]

Originally posted by Britt
The Burke/John conversation is where it gets really interesting IMO. It sounds as if only part of it is caught on the tape. At one point Burke says "Well what DID you find?" -- emphasis on the "did."

What are you listening to?
The audio tape version was cut off right before Patsy says the first "help me jesus". The CD version has about a 4 second erased gap right after after Patsy where it's logical to assume Burke and John are heard.
Where are you hearing Burke's voice? It doesn't exist on any of the versions I've heard so far.

 

[DejaNu]

While this new revelation exposes yet another lie by the Rs, doesn't anyone even wonder why Keenan altered that tape before releasing it? She already had publicly stated she agreed with Carnes that the "evidence" more strongly suggested an intruder than one of the Ramseys. Doesn't anyone think it's hinky given that statement that she would alter THIS tape to exclude John and Burke's voices, then give it to their attorney to parade around like the truth??? Doesn't anyone else think this is WAY outside the boundaries for a prosecutor in a homicide investigation????

 

[Britt]

Originally posted by Shylock
What are you listening to?
The audio tape version was cut off right before Patsy says the first "help me jesus". The CD version has about a 4 second erased gap right after after Patsy where it's logical to assume Burke and John are heard.
Where are you hearing Burke's voice? It doesn't exist on any of the versions I've heard so far.

Hi Shylock. I'm referring to the notes posted by Spade:

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=3732&perpage=12&pagenumber=4

 

[Shylock]

Originally posted by DejaNu
While this new revelation exposes yet another lie by the Rs, doesn't anyone even wonder why Keenan altered that tape before releasing it?

First we have to figure out who it was that edited the tape. Was it Keenan, Beckner, or a combo of the two?
Keenan is certainly not the sharpest knife in the drawer. It could be that Beckner edited the tape before he turned a copy over to her and she didn't even know it.

 

[Maxi]

I just thought of something. If my child were kidnapped, I'd be praying, too. But I wouldn't be asking Jesus to help ME. I'd be praying, Oh, Lord, please watch over my baby. Unless I knew she was already dead.

 

[DejaNu]

Shylock: "First we have to figure out who it was that edited the tape. Was it Keenan, Beckner, or a combo of the two? Keenan is certainly not the sharpest knife in the drawer. It could be that Beckner edited the tape before he turned a copy over to her and she didn't even know it."

Well, Shy, like just about everything else in this case, figuring out who dunnit with the tape will be nothing but more conjecture on our part without getting the original for comparison. Knives don't have to be sharp when they can rely on sheathes to cover their foibles.

From a legal perspective, the BDA would be held responsible. Of course, your statement would make a fine defense argument if they ever were, and it would need to be hashed out in court.

I just cannot believe that there has been so MUCH cover up in this case from so MANY parties and there's nothing that will be done about it. I believe this tape revelation should be turned over to Owens (with a copy to Kane?) just to hold someone accountable for investigating it and other potential misdeeds in the handling of this case.

 

[Britt]

Originally posted by Maxi
I just thought of something. If my child were kidnapped, I'd be praying, too. But I wouldn't be asking Jesus to help ME. I'd be praying, Oh, Lord, please watch over my baby. Unless I knew she was already dead.

Exactly, Maxi, exactly.

 

[tipper]

"The mother, Patsy Ramsey was out of control. She kept saying she wanted to trade places with her daughter. 'Please let her be safe. Please let her be safe.' She was tormented, incoherent."

PMPT ppbk p.11

Doesn't sound like she knew she was already dead to me.

 

[Britt]

Originally posted by tipper
"The mother, Patsy Ramsey was out of control. She kept saying she wanted to trade places with her daughter. 'Please let her be safe. Please let her be safe.' She was tormented, incoherent."

PMPT ppbk p.11

Doesn't sound like she knew she was already dead to me.

Well of course she was putting on a great show once her audience had arrived... lol. Kidnap scene, Take 1.

That's why the post 'hang-up' words/conversation are so important -- what was said, and what was going on, when the Ramseys weren't performing.

 

[tipper]

Since none of us know what she said or what prayers she uttered before the police got there, I don't think one can draw any kind of conclusion about what she did or didn't ask for. To me it sounds like she is asking for strength and help in getting her little girl back. On the other hand, I'm sure some of you think she's asking Jesus to help her outwit the police.

 

[Toth]

Frankly I'm a bit more interested in thinks like fingerprints than in prayers the victim's of a kidnapping may or may not have uttered and if uttered are interpretable in any number of ways since 'help me' can mean 'give me the strength to make the right decisions for my daughter's safety' just as it can have all these interpetations that you people want to put on it such as 'help me get through this play-acting'.