911 Call- THE TRUTH

[Sabrina]

Patsy's talent entry for the Miss America pageant was dramatic reading.

She was experienced.

As far as I am concerned, it does not matter what is on that tape- a moan, a help me, a chant. The point is there IS something, the phone was not hung up and Lin Wood and the RST lied about it.

 

[Shylock]

Originally posted by Sabrina
The point is there IS something, the phone was not hung up and Lin Wood and the RST lied about it.

Hey Toth. Read the point above on an hourly basis for a few months until you eventually "get it" and realize you've been "had" by the Rammers.

 

[Toth]

quote:
Originally posted by Sabrina
The point is there IS something, the phone was not hung up and Lin Wood and the RST lied about it.

Hey Toth. Read the point above on an hourly basis for a few months until you eventually "get it" and realize you've been "had" by the Rammers.

Hey, Shylock. Read the point above on an hourly basis for a few months until you eventually "get it" and realize you've been "had" by these Rabid Posters who don't realize the phone was properly hung up and nothing whatsoever untoward is on that tape.

 

[Shylock]

Originally posted by Toth
these Rabid Posters who don't realize the phone was properly hung up and nothing whatsoever untoward is on that tape. [/B]

Sorry Toth but the jig is up. WE have ALL heard the CD version of the 911 call and the vast majority of us have hearing good enough to clearly hear Patsy saying "help me Jesus", just as Thomas described.

Now if YOU are in the ultra-low percentage who CAN'T hear it, you obviously need to visit a good doctor and get yourself a decent hearing aid.
Forget the Swamp--try the Yellow Pages.

 

[Toth]

Originally posted by Shylock
WE have ALL heard Patsy saying "help me Jesus", just as Thomas described.

Do you hear the bell and see the crystal ball glow too as the spirits make themselves known?

Or do you really think DA Keenan would tamper with the tapes?

 

[Show Me]

I HEARD Patsy say "help me Jesus" Toth.

 

[Thorkim]

Yep, so did I Show. No question.

 

[Jayelles]

I too heard the sound which could be Patsy saying "Help me jesus". There is no doubt that it's there. Of course, some people who are deaf or in denial might not hear it.

 

[Maikai]

So...some say they heard Patsy say "Help me Jesus." I'll assume for a minute that's possible---where are Burke's and JR's voices saying "What did you find?" and "We're not talking to you?" "Help me Jesus" certainly is not incriminating.

The phone was a wall phone--it would be difficult to hang it up, without the receiver clanking down to the floor.

Face it--there's no voices from the Ramsey household after Patsy hung up-----and if there were, they wouldn't have to go through all these gyrations in trying to find them....you'd hear them plainly. This was purely a ST police tactic--trying to catch the Ramseys in a lie, to show they lied about other things. And this came to light, after ST found out Burke was not asleep---but faked sleeping in his bed. That's all there is to it, folks.

 

[Barbara]

There is much more to it than that Maikai. How is it possible that only those on the other forum can't hear the voices and everyone else can?

The tape was in fact, likely doctored to edit out or erase John and Burke's voice, but not by ST. Think about it.

While the "help me Jesus" is not by itself incriminating, again, why deny it? What else are you denying?

ST was not the only one who heard what was earlier stated on the tape.

This conspiracy and lying seems to include more people than OJ accused in his case. Give it a rest. Only a select few feel that there is a major conspiracy to "get the Ramseys".

It's foolish to believe they are ALL lying about evidence just to get the Ramseys.

 

[Jayelles]

Maikai,

Please, please read the websites on audio enhancement. There you will find descriptions of of how spectrography can detect sounds which are inaudible to the human ear. Enhancement (which basically just means filtering out non-verbal sound) enables these sounds to be interpreted.

The audio tapes on the Net are NOT the enhanced versions. Dave's version doesn't count because he did not meet the standards for forensic audio analysis. He gives no detailed discussion of his spectral analysis and it is unlcear how he analysed the waveforms. When asked, he dismissed the question. In fact, the wave analysis is one of the most important stages of forensic audio analysis which can easily verify if you go to any of the sites.

 

[Maikai]

Sorry, Jayelles---I don't buy into the voices after the hangup. The phone was either hung up, or it fell off and crashed to the floor. You can't patially hang up that kind of phone, and even if that was the case, you'd hear the voices more clearly. The 911 operator may have been in a call center...she didn't hang up right away, because she was trying not to terminate the call...you could hear her clicking (typing) in the background. It was a crumb ST and the BPD latched onto, because they knew later that Burke was awake in his bed---they wanted another piece of circumstantial evidence, and something else to put out there in the media. That's all there was to it.

 

[Shylock]

MAIKAI: where are Burke's and JR's voices saying "What did you find?" and "We're not talking to you?"

That's what we ALL want to know! There is a 4-second gap after Patsy's last "help me Jesus" where it's VERY logical to assume Burke and John appear with the lines you quoted above. Who erased that portion of the tape? It has CLEARLY been edited because the sound completely goes blank then returns to the same background noise. Have you listened the the "CD version" of the 911 call? It's VASTLY different than the original audio tape version that was released first.


"Help me Jesus" certainly is not incriminating.

Of course it isn't. But it follows the script in ST's book perfectly and the RST has denied ANY voices are there. If Patsy's voice is there, then you can be 99.9% sure John and Burke's voices are too. The Ram$eys lied, Maikai. Burke was NOT in bed and was up during the 911 call. That fact has now been proven and anyone with ears can verify it.


The phone was a wall phone--it would be difficult to hang it up, without the receiver clanking down to the floor.

Where did this "Patsy had trouble hanging up the phone" story come from anyway? There is no noise on the tape of Patsy banging the phone on the cradle attempting to hang it up. Her voice sounds muffled, and I'm willing to bet she was clutching the phone to her chest briefly while the part in question was recorded. I think the "trouble hanging up the phone" was just a wild guess by someone, maybe ST, and it somehow stuck as being fact.


Face it--there's no voices from the Ramsey household after Patsy hung up--

Actually Maikai Patsy's voice IS there (on the CD version) just as described. Everyone can hear it. If YOU can't, it only means that like Toth, you are either in such denial that you're not willing to admit the truth at any cost, OR the sound on your computer is piss-poor.


And this came to light, after ST found out Burke was not asleep---but faked sleeping in his bed. That's all there is to it, folks.

Wrong time sequence. The admission by the Rammers that Burke was faking sleep was long after the 911 info had been leaked and ST's book was published. This has nothing to do with ST. He was not the detective assigned to get the 911 tape enhanced. This is also not a BPD plot as you want to believe. You seem to forget that Hoffstrom from the DA's office took they tape to a completely independent lab who also heard the background voices--with just a different interpretation of what Burke was saying.

 

[Shylock]

Originally posted by Jayelles
Dave's version doesn't count because he did not meet the standards for forensic audio analysis. He gives no detailed discussion of his spectral analysis and it is unlcear how he analysed the waveforms.

Jayelles, I really don't know why you're so hell-bent on discrediting this guy "Dave". I read his "analysis" and for the most part I agree with it. The only problem with Dave's analysis is he made the mistake of publishing his findings based on the originally released "audio tape" version of the 911 call. Since the release of the "CD version", Dave's analysis is void and he looks somewhat the fool for jumping the gun. He's back-peddling now trying to save face but it's too late. He should have just stood back and said "Hey, wait a minute!...these recording are different...forget everything I previously wrote.".
I guess the guy has too much of an ego to admit he goofed. Of course if he DID admit the truth, he'd get booted off the forum, so he has that axe swinging over his head.

Spectrography has nothing to do with it. The two versions of the 911 tape that have been released are vastly different in length, and both have been positively edited. You don't need a visual display to know that.

 

[Toth]

Fool?
Save face?

He is an expert in digital signal processing and acoustics. He is an engineer and physicist. He is not a fool and performs his calculations and states his conclusions as any researcher with integrity would: he does not 'save face'.
He knows a great deal about acoustics in general as well as higher math and programming.

 

[Britt]

Originally posted by Shylock
...it follows the script in ST's book perfectly and the RST has denied ANY voices are there. If Patsy's voice is there, then you can be 99.9% sure John and Burke's voices are too. The Ram$eys lied...

Excellent post, Shylock.

 

[Maxi]

Boulder sent the tape to a well respected lab and got back a report that voices were heard on the tape. It's not as if the BPD enhanced it themselves in the basement of the police station. The debate shouldn't be whether or not "something" can be heard on the tape. The lab isn't likely to have been involved in some sort of strange anti-Ram conspiracy. The debate should be what that "something" is. And that debate can't occur until and unless all sides are listening to the entire tape.

 

[Shylock]

Originally posted by Toth
Fool?
Save face?
He is an expert in digital signal processing and acoustics.

I don't give a damn if he's the lead acoustics engineer on the space shuttle--the dude jumped the gun, wrote an analysis which is now obsolete, and doesn't have the balls to correct his error.

Who cares about "Dave", Toth...he's out of the equation...past history. The CD-version of the 911 tape proves everything he wrote was meaningless--an analysis of incomplete data. Sorry, but that's the simple fact. Another one of your heroes bites the dust...

 

[Toth]

Originally posted by Maxi
Boulder sent the tape to a well respected lab and got back a report that voices were heard on the tape. .

I would not say 'respected' much less 'well-respected' and they did NOT receive a report. Reports are written documents that recount what was received what was done what results were obtained and how those results were interpreted. This 'well-respected' laboratory didn't even issue a report.

 

[Tricia]

Did someone say "spectrograph?"
http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3797

River, Maxi, Pook, or anyone. I would love to bring the picture of the spectrograph over here if possible. Let me know if I can do this ok?

Thanks
Tricia