A few questions

[~n/t~]

Please explain how the Tapas 7 would be charged with neglect over Maddie's death. That makes no sense to me. They worried about neglect charges but didn't hesitate to help conceal the death of a child?

Also where was Maddie the 20 plus days until they rented the Renault? If they hid her body why didn't cadaver dogs find her? If she was anywhere near the complex I would have thought the dogs would have found her. The scent of death would have been strong, and would have followed the body. Moo

Who are you addressing in your post?

 

[Junebug99]

Calling someone a prime suspect is not an opinion, that statement should be backed up. Moo

 

[Junebug99]

Who are you addressing in your post?

Anyone that can explain it.

 

[~n/t~]

Anyone that can explain it.

Your questions are based on assumptions. I'm not sure anyone can answer them.

IMO the McCann friends could/would not be charged for child neglect over Maddie's death. That makes no sense.

I never believed Madeleine was hidden. If she died that night she was disposed of that same night. My guess would be in the ocean.

 

[Captain_Khan]

Also where was Maddie the 20 plus days until they rented the Renault? If they hid her body why didn't cadaver dogs find her? If she was anywhere near the complex I would have thought the dogs would have found her. The scent of death would have been strong, and would have followed the body. Moo

I always wondered if it was possible that the scent in the car was transferred from something else. For example, if Madeleine died in her bed, then her bedding at some point ended up in the car (then was removed again before the dog search). Would that possibly transfer a scent?

I still also stand by my opinion that 'death scent' in the flat doesn't necessarily implicate the parents, but their firm denial that Madeleine came to harm in the flat is very strange.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I always wondered if it was possible that the scent in the car was transferred from something else. For example, if Madeleine died in her bed, then her bedding at some point ended up in the car (then was removed again before the dog search). Would that possibly transfer a scent?

I still also stand by my opinion that 'death scent' in the flat doesn't necessarily implicate the parents, but their firm denial that Madeleine came to harm in the flat is very strange.

I don't really believe the dogs on this one. I just don't. The video of the hit is too obvious to me that the handler knew exactly what car would have the scent and could have alerted the dogs in some way..

I think she was taken alive.. JMO.

 

[~n/t~]

I always wondered if it was possible that the scent in the car was transferred from something else. For example, if Madeleine died in her bed, then her bedding at some point ended up in the car (then was removed again before the dog search). Would that possibly transfer a scent?

I still also stand by my opinion that 'death scent' in the flat doesn't necessarily implicate the parents, but their firm denial that Madeleine came to harm in the flat is very strange.

Or clothing? Cuddle cat?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...police-seize-Madeleines-Cuddle-Cat-again.html
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id60.html

 

[Clutchbag]

Yesvamaral was made an aguido the day after madeleine was abducted, and later convicted.

Given the Portuguese attorney general as well as scotland yard have vstated the mccanns are not involved, can you please explain why you don't regard them as having official capacity. And who does have official capacity to clear someone if not the same people who have the responsibility for bringing charges.

No one has cleared them, no police, no legopal entity

neither the attorney general or scotland yard have said they are not involved

the AG of Portugal reiterated what the Public Prosecutor said in his final summary of the case where he decided there was no evidence of any crime......the case was shelved, thats all, their suspect status removed, pending...

Did you understand that? The case was shelved due to no evidence of any crime havingbeen committed, that included abduction

So no, no one has declared he Mccanns innocent...even SY havent...they just said they are not supects....at the moment I might add, because if yu remember back to August 2007 that is exactly what the PJ said...they are not suspects, one month later they were

lets not forget leicester police who said there is nothing in the files that exonerates them

oh and by the way Mr Amaral was not convicted of perjury whch is lying under oath....try and keep up

 

[Clutchbag]

This means nothing. The fund had lawyers which dealt with the investigators and they included a confidentiality clause. Confidentiality clauses cannot extend to criminal matters so there was nothing to stop oakley giving the reports to the police. The fund actually had to tell him to hand them over to the police. And the report was given to police less than a year later so hardly silenced for years unless he wanted to sell his story to red tops. You have also not quoted the article directly, but taken selected pieces out and not included the correction report.

What a load of rubbish...why would the parents of a missing chld have a confidentiaity clause stopping efits of a possible abductor being made public, are you for real?

 

[Clutchbag]

I don't really believe the dogs on this one. I just don't. The video of the hit is too obvious to me that the handler knew exactly what car would have the scent and could have alerted the dogs in some way..

I think she was taken alive.. JMO.

cars aside you have to explain the cadaver dog reacting to the

-parents bedroom
- verandah/balcony outside the parents bedroom
- flower bed below the parents bedroom

 

[Junebug99]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/jul/21/madeleinemccann.internationalcrime

Kate and Gerry McCann were today formally cleared by the Portuguese authorities of involvement in their daughter Madeleine's disappearance.

Portugal's attorney general, Fernando José Pinto Monteiro, said there was insufficient evidence to continue the police case.

Pinto Monteiro was faced with choosing between bringing charges in connection with Madeleine's disappearance, closing the case or asking the police to continue investigating.

More than 14 months after Madeleine went missing, he said the McCanns, both 40, from Rothley, Leicestershire, were no longer "arguidos" or formal suspects.

The couple welcomed prosecutors' decision to lift their status as formal suspects, but said they had no cause for celebration.

 

[Clutchbag]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/jul/21/madeleinemccann.internationalcrime

Kate and Gerry McCann were today formally cleared by the Portuguese authorities of involvement in their daughter Madeleine's disappearance.

Portugal's attorney general, Fernando José Pinto Monteiro, said there was insufficient evidence to continue the police case.

Pinto Monteiro was faced with choosing between bringing charges in connection with Madeleine's disappearance, closing the case or asking the police to continue investigating.

More than 14 months after Madeleine went missing, he said the McCanns, both 40, from Rothley, Leicestershire, were no longer "arguidos" or formal suspects.

The couple welcomed prosecutors' decision to lift their status as formal suspects, but said they had no cause for celebration.

so the guardian says they were cleared, not what the authorities said Im afraid

gosh not rocket science

 

[Junebug99]

Are they misquoting Portugals attorney general?

 

[brit1981]

Here is the final report

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

It first gives the reasons for making the mccanns aguidos and stresses this was because they wished to question them about the dogs etc and under Portuguese law anybody who is questioned about something which may be allowed to be used as evidence against them must be made an aguido. It stresses that whilst this has a stigma it actually gives protection to the aguido. So the only way the pj could question the mccanns about the dogs and still retain the possibility to use this as evidence against the mccanns was to make them aguidos.

The report further states that the mccanns were not guilty and discarded as potential suspects since as well as the dogs and fss not turning out to be evidence against them they had alibis, witnesses to their behavior etc. Then it goes on to formally state there was no evidence the mccanns practiced any crime. So as well as no evidence against them there was evidence in their favor.

Scotland yard have also stated they are not suspects.

Interestingly none of the tapas seven were made aguidos which meant that the pj had no intention of using anything they said against the tapas seven including tanners statement. Which means they did not think tanners statement was part of a criminal conspiracy.

There really is no point claiming they have not been cleared by anyone in any official capacity as it is just not true.

 

[Junebug99]

so the guardian says they were cleared, not what the authorities said Im afraid

gosh not rocket science

Apparently it is to some......

I do wonder why we have to provide links proving the M's are no longer suspects, yet Kate has been declared a prime suspect by a member on this board, no need to link after moo?

Kate and Gerry declared innocent, moo.......(trying to make a point). They really haven't been declared innocent, just no longer suspects, which can be backed up.

 

[Clutchbag]

Are they misquoting Portugals attorney general?

Yes june they are, all we want isfacts not spun facts

 

[brit1981]

I can't provide evidence to something that I opined. However, there were reports of possible child neglect charges against the McCanns.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rges-leaving-Madeleine-night-disappeared.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...private-prosecution-neglecting-Madeleine.html

My assumption based on the neglect charges is at the time, the focus was on locating Madeleine dead or alive. The neglect charges were secondary. As we know the case was shelved and just recently reopened. We're not privy to all police reports because of privacy laws. The text messages is one example

Mr Bennett was unfortunately unsuccessful to proceed with his court action. Let's hope people got the message anyway. It is NOT ok to leave your children alone whilst you're on holiday. Get a babysitter.

I suspect more children come to harm from unknown babysitters than from their parents eating dinner fifty meters from where they are fast asleep.

But the media were wrong about the neglect charges.

The mccanns and their friends all told the police about the childcare arrangements and made no attempt to keep it a secret during the holiday. That does not sound like they were so worried they would be charged with neglect they covered up a death and his a child's body.

 

[Clutchbag]

Apparently it is to some......

I do wonder why we have to provide links proving the M's are no longer suspects, yet Kate has been declared a prime suspect by a member on this board, no need to link after moo?

Kate and Gerry declared innocent, moo.......(trying to make a point). They really haven't been declared innocent, just no longer suspects, which can be backed up.

the mccanns are still suspects in portugal and thats the overriding police authority....never cleared, basic points to make, its getting tedious...ie only the investigating/legal forces of this case can clear them......its never happened....sheesh

Leave you to the resident spin artist now, bye for now x

 

[brit1981]

You need to link this or it will be removed. To date, this has not been confirmed anywhere that I can find. Please link it up.

Thank you,

Salem

Here is a link to the final report
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

Here it states mccanns were made aguido as this allowed them to be questioned about any potential evidence against them. It then goes on to say the dogs and the fss findings were not evidence against them as first thought, and that witnesses, alibis etc meant the mccanns were not involved. It also stated that it could not be explained how the mccanns could have hidden a body.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23179230

Bbc report on operation grange public statement about opening an investigation. In it it states the tapas nine are not suspects it subject to investigation. This was based on a live interview.

 

[brit1981]

Your questions are based on assumptions. I'm not sure anyone can answer them.

IMO the McCann friends could/would not be charged for child neglect over Maddie's death. That makes no sense.

I never believed Madeleine was hidden. If she died that night she was disposed of that same night. My guess would be in the ocean.

Have to double check the files but I think the harrison report states this is unlikely due to the tides at least that night. Can anyone recall if thats correct?