A few questions

[brit1981]

I always wondered if it was possible that the scent in the car was transferred from something else. For example, if Madeleine died in her bed, then her bedding at some point ended up in the car (then was removed again before the dog search). Would that possibly transfer a scent?

I still also stand by my opinion that 'death scent' in the flat doesn't necessarily implicate the parents, but their firm denial that Madeleine came to harm in the flat is very strange.

If madeleine came to harm in the flat then chances are she is now dead, if you were her parents would you do anything you could to believe she's alive? People do anything they can to believe a loved one is OK.

I see your point about the scent, but the dog never alerted in the boot of the car just to the fob and passenger door which they found the fob in ( I linked to this earlier). I think if scent from a dead body transferred in this manner there would be alerts everywhere from people who handled the body.

 

[brit1981]

the mccanns are still suspects in portugal and thats the overriding police authority....never cleared, basic points to make, its getting tedious...ie only the investigating/legal forces of this case can clear them......its never happened....sheesh

Leave you to the resident spin artist now, bye for now x

I have provided links to state the Portuguese attorney general cleared the mccanns, can you provide links to show they are still suspects.

 

[Junebug99]

http://abcnews.go.com/International...=ivns&ei=-hXoUquuL8S6yQHHlIHoBQ&start=10&sa=N

Why are all these news outlets lying?

 

[~n/t~]

I suspect more children come to harm from unknown babysitters than from their parents eating dinner fifty meters from where they are fast asleep.

But the media were wrong about the neglect charges.

The mccanns and their friends all told the police about the childcare arrangements and made no attempt to keep it a secret during the holiday. That does not sound like they were so worried they would be charged with neglect they covered up a death and his a child's body.

Unknown babysitters? Who hires unknown babysitters?

Can you link me to where it says the McCanns and friends told the police in advance of their childcare arrangements? I have never heard or read this before.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Unknown babysitters? Who hires unknown babysitters?

Can you link me to where it says the McCanns and friends told the police in advance of their childcare arrangements? I have never heard or read this before.

Obviously she means immediately they told them of their child care plans. Not before the event.

They were not afraid to tell the police of how they handled the child care.

 

[Junebug99]

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20221621,00.html

The pretty, boisterous girl was just days away from her fourth birthday when, on May 3, 2007, she vanished from her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, as her parents dined with friends at a nearby tapas bar. Despite rumors of DNA evidence linking the McCanns to the crime, Portuguese police apparently had no solid leads or evidence. Now that they are cleared, the McCanns can examine all of the police files kept from them when they were suspects, so that they can keep searching for Madeleine. "We want ... to see what still can be done," said Gerry, 40, a cardiologist. Added Kate, a doctor who has yet to go back to work: "We can assure you we will never give up on Madeleine."*

Now that they are cleared they have access to all police files. *If they were still suspects, I'm assuming those files wouldn't be available.

 

[Junebug99]

Dp sorry, iPad acting funky.

 

[~n/t~]

Obviously she means immediately they told them of their child care plans. Not before the event.

They were not afraid to tell the police of how they handled the child care.

If that's what she meant, they had no choice. A child was missing. She wasn't at the crèche that night nor were the children being babysat.

 

[Junebug99]

If that's what she meant, they had no choice. A child was missing. She wasn't at the crèche that night nor were the children being babysat.

Which is my point. It was going to come out one way or the other, the children were left alone. Why would they use child neglect as the reason for covering up the death of a child?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

If that's what she meant, they had no choice. A child was missing. She wasn't at the crèche that night nor were the children being babysat.

Of course they did. People lie all the time when they are caught and sometimes when they are innocent and scared. They didn't. They explained the whole thing right away.

 

[~n/t~]

Which is my point. It was going to come out one way or the other, the children were left alone. Why would they use child neglect as the reason for covering up the death of a child?

I'm sorry I don't get your point.

 

[~n/t~]

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20221621,00.html

The pretty, boisterous girl was just days away from her fourth birthday when, on May 3, 2007, she vanished from her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, as her parents dined with friends at a nearby tapas bar. Despite rumors of DNA evidence linking the McCanns to the crime, Portuguese police apparently had no solid leads or evidence. Now that they are cleared, the McCanns can examine all of the police files kept from them when they were suspects, so that they can keep searching for Madeleine. "We want ... to see what still can be done," said Gerry, 40, a cardiologist. Added Kate, a doctor who has yet to go back to work: "We can assure you we will never give up on Madeleine."*

Now that they are cleared they have access to all police files. *If they were still suspects, I'm assuming those files wouldn't be available.

I'm not sure they're privy to all files. There are privacy laws in Portugal. Anybody know what the legalities are?

 

[brit1981]

Unknown babysitters? Who hires unknown babysitters?

Can you link me to where it says the McCanns and friends told the police in advance of their childcare arrangements? I have never heard or read this before.

People staying at hotels and resorts using the babysitting service use babysitters they do not know.

I did not mean they told the police in advance, I meant they made no secret of it to staff and guests at the resort during their stay. They told the police straight away.

 

[brit1981]

If that's what she meant, they had no choice. A child was missing. She wasn't at the crèche that night nor were the children being babysat.

But then why cover up the death of a friends child to hide the fact you left your own children alone? It negates the entire motive.

 

[brit1981]

I'm not sure they're privy to all files. There are privacy laws in Portugal. Anybody know what the legalities are?

I am not sure, I seem to think the mccanns as the parents got more of the files than the media but I am not certain. However, I do have a feeling that the files released to the media were not meant to be given out in the way they were, I seem to think there is a "not to be republished" or something clause stamped on them. I think the idea of releasing them to the media is to allow the media to use them but not for the actual files to be dished out. But would have to double check. The whole thing of giving the files out is wrong IMO, a child who witnessed a man watching the flats has her identity given out, yet convicted paedophiles get their details protected for privacy! If I witnessed something suspect I would be horrified about the police making my details public before the criminal was caught, I'd feel unsafe.

 

[Clutchbag]

I have provided links to state the Portuguese attorney general cleared the mccanns, can you provide links to show they are still suspects.

No youhave not provided any link that "clears" them....the only the legal authorities in Portugal have said is they couldnt find evidence of any crime in this case..,thats it, no abductor, no parental involement, no nothing, eg all options still on the table, period

 

[Junebug99]

Omg I give up. Link after link after link. They are now privy to all files. Google it. I have all ready linked. [modsnip] Moo.

 

[Supernovae]

No one has ever suggested they murdered her.

7 professionals would most certainly do some fudging and synchronising of notes if they thought they might get charged with neglect. It would mean losing their careers, income, reputation.

What's a little white lie or two when you have other children to feed and raise? Easily justified if everyone genuinely does believe she's been abducted anyway...what's the harm?

Also we have proof of the synchronization. One child's colouring book which was used to create and recreate a "timeline", unasked.

Moo.

IMO, this is spot on and it wouldn't even require fear of criminal proceedings, just embarrassment. It's a very human thing. Who hasn't fudged facts particularly over timescales, when they think it would cast them in a less negative like. Add to that if there had been alcohol consumption. Not falling over drunk, but enough to make memories more fallible than usual.

 

[Supernovae]

Sorry, that should read light rather than like.

 

[Clutchbag]

Seeing as the burgars thread is CLOSED have to ost this here


http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/...ine-McCann-detectives-fly-Portugal-talks.html

See last sentence...ONE burglary...jeez