A good read - Black Tape and other interesting bits

[Brefie]

Saying the tape must have been purchased in Boulder is the same as saying JBR must have been killed by someone who lived in the house. <snip>

BINGO!

Since ALL leads lead back to the Ramseys and there is no evidence of an intruder, I would think this is exactly what happened!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

There is no evidence on the table to demonstrate JonBenet's murder was premeditated, so to propose the purchase of a Homicide Kit in advance, feeds straight into the tabloid imagination.

If you were travelling from a foreign faction, and you were to kill someone, were you going to walk into Big-5 and buy a gun? Maybe a bow and arrow?

It seems to me that buying a roll of cord from one store and tape from another wouldn't raise too many flags.

If you were actually representing a foreign faction, and had to kill somebody, you'd probably go with something like cord instead of a gun, right?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

BINGO!

Since ALL leads lead back to the Ramseys and there is no evidence of an intruder, I would think this is exactly what happened!

All leads lead to a hardened criminal who strangled and headbashed JBR ala Bob Crane. He's a foreign national, English as 2nd language, from another continent. He's probably done it before. You don't just one day decide to garrote strangle/headbash murder. That's a thing that is l-e-a-r-n-e-d.

 

[sissi]

All leads lead to a hardened criminal who strangled and headbashed JBR ala Bob Crane. He's a foreign national, English as 2nd language, from another continent. He's probably done it before. You don't just one day decide to garrote strangle/headbash murder. That's a thing that is l-e-a-r-n-e-d.

Why won't the BPD test his dna for race in the way they did DNA found on Susanah Chase?

 

[Camper]

A clerk remembering a black tape sale in the store the size of McGuckins is not possible imop. McGuckins is ENORMOUS and has as many clerks as you would find crossing the Mexican borders each day into the USA. Check out stands are prolific as well. The store is always clogged up with customers. It is the Disneyland of HARDWARE stores.

Everything I have read about 'the' tape in the media, have called it DUCT tape.

How lucky our perp was to have owned a Swiss Army Knife ?. it was the ONLY thing he brought with him and then DIDN'T TAKE IT WITH HIM WHEN HE LEFT, er when he was beamed up Scotty. I am guessing he brought the knife with him, huh, duh, er, noooooo. Well maybe he brought it with him from Switzerland.

Wonder WHEN B got his Swiss Army knife that no one could find? Did he get it on a previous Christmas er fer his birthday er WHEN?

IF it was not the perps knife, how did he know there would be one there for him/her to use? Diapers were dislodged in the upstairs hall closet, this was of course where LHP says she put B's whittling SWISS Army knife, when she took it away from him.

Since our perp took the roll of tape, and what was left of the 'HANK' of rope, why didn't he take his PET Swiss Army knife? OOPS, I just happen to think that OUR perp just sorta forgot about the knife, because it was not HIS.

JUST when was the Swiss Army knife taken from the hall closet to find itself in the basement?

The tape coulda been brought from GA by my theoretical suspect, (the older son) tape coulda gotten to GA before it got to CO. BUT my theory then goes west because HOW would the perp from GA know where the Swiss Army knife was hidden?

Young guys, I had three sons, love their knives, they donut want to part with them. They keep them close, at all times, it is a part of them.

Where does all of this conversation take us? To an unsolved MURDER, thats where.

Sure reading a lot about husbands and wives in the news lately killing each other and their whole families. It happens. In the old days, sorta called it FLYING OFF THE HANDLE. Today people are fed up with something, can't take it anymore etc. They lose it, whatever IT is, OR whatever caused them to lose IT.


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[hotmomma35]

Hello everyone! This is my first time in this perticular forum. I have been reading all of your opinions and It seems to me , that these parents are clovering up what has taken place in this house. I think the brother had something to do w/ this. The parents tried covering up. Burkes knife, families duct tape, The note was in moms handwriting. Helloooooo! 10 years and no one has been able to proove otherwise. What a terrible tragedy. You just never know what goes on behind closed doors. By the way, who were the diapers for? Does anyone know?

 

[Brefie]

All leads lead to a hardened criminal who strangled and headbashed JBR ala Bob Crane. He's a foreign national, English as 2nd language, from another continent. He's probably done it before. You don't just one day decide to garrote strangle/headbash murder. That's a thing that is l-e-a-r-n-e-d.

Where would one l-e-a-r-n this?

And - how do you know it's a foreigner?

You no more know that than I know it's Burke.

 

[capps]

We wouldn't be having a discussion about McGuckins',if Patsy gave a different answer than:"I have no idea what I bought at McGuckins."

"I don't remember if JonBenet had a bath."

"I'm sure they did have lunch"(on Dec.25),What did they have? "I don't remember."

"I have no idea what I bought at McGuckins'"

" I don't remember if there was pineapple in the refridgerator."

And so many more ...

Come on Patsy ... throw the LE a bone!! How did she expect them to help rule them out,when she wasn't cooperating.

I don't think the Ramsey's murdered JonBenet,but always after reading their interviews,I have to admit they are being very evasive.I thought they were doing so at the advice of their attorneys,but even that can just go so far.

Something doesn't add up,but I don't know what it is.

I wish the authorities were more aggresive with their questioning.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Where would one l-e-a-r-n this?

And - how do you know it's a foreigner?

You no more know that than I know it's Burke.

If I had to choose between the R's trying to come off like a goofy foreign faction, or a goofy foreign faction coming off like a goofy foreign faction, I'd pick the latter.

The R's would've come off like a real foreign faction, e.g. Japanese Red Army or something. There wouldn't be any cryptic, unintelligible stuff like SBTC or Victory!

They would also have asked for more money for their own daughter. Do you think the R's would only ask for $118,000 for their own daughter? Wouldn't they know ahead of time that someone would think that was too little money?

 

[Camper]

If I had to choose between the R's trying to come off like a goofy foreign faction, or a goofy foreign faction coming off like a goofy foreign faction, I'd pick the latter.

The R's would've come off like a real foreign faction, e.g. Japanese Red Army or something. There wouldn't be any cryptic, unintelligible stuff like SBTC or Victory!

They would also have asked for more money for their own daughter. Do you think the R's would only ask for $118,000 for their own daughter? Wouldn't they know ahead of time that someone would think that was too little money?

-------->About the odd amount, $118.000.00, imop the note writer was trying to point the blame on someone who worked for Access Graphics that would have known of the bonus amount.

On the other hand, why didn't the perp ask for $125,000, Or $100,000. JR said he thought it was an inside job, I do think he had that right.

To me the hustling out of the hall cupboard of the Swiss Army knife speaks volumes. LHP knew it was there, most likely she told PR - maybe NOT. I am guessing that LHP took the knife away from Burke and he most likely was told the BIG WHY reason that it was being taken away, and most likely he MAY have seen where his beloved knife was put. LHP most likely, imop, thought he would honor the request of NOT whittling and making further messes, when she confiscated 'the' knife.

Does anyone remember how this took place? Did LHP do this independently, since she was the one who had to clean up the whittling messes. I no longer have any of my books on the case, they are still packed in boxes in my garage from our move.

Hotmamma35, I do not remember with clarity about the diapers, what size they were or the story surrounding them still being in this cupboard. I seem to recall that they were being used at bedtime for JonBenet or HAD been used and were still there, sorry I don't remember. Someone help us out.

Having diapers available in a six year olds size, speaks to me as well. Most children are well potty trained by age 6. IF she was not, then this might explain all of the trips to Dr. Boooooooooof.

That also then could explain some experts analysis that there was chronic sexual abuse issues.


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[Holdontoyourhat]

-------->About the odd amount, $118.000.00, imop the note writer was trying to point the blame on someone who worked for Access Graphics that would have known of the bonus amount.

How does 'foreign faction,' 'not the country that it serves,' 'SBTC,' and 'Victory!' point to someone who worked at Access Graphics? You lost me.

 

[Camper]

How does 'foreign faction,' 'not the country that it serves,' 'SBTC,' and 'Victory!' point to someone who worked at Access Graphics? You lost me.

---------->Map - You are here 'X'

JR company was called Access Graphics.
JR was paid a LARGE bonus by Access Graphics
JR's bonus was $118,000.00
JR knew he had a bonus of this amount.
Who else knew this as well??
Well obviously the note writer did.


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[Holdontoyourhat]

---------->Map - You are here 'X'

JR company was called Access Graphics.
JR was paid a LARGE bonus by Access Graphics
JR's bonus was $118,000.00
JR knew he had a bonus of this amount.
Who else knew this as well??
Well obviously the note writer did.


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OK well then why oh why would JR or PR direct attention to their own selves by using a figure that had personal meaning? Were they trying to make it look like an employee was trying to make it look like a foreign faction did it?

 

[Voice of Reason]

OK well then why oh why would JR or PR direct attention to their own selves by using a figure that had personal meaning? Were they trying to make it look like an employee was trying to make it look like a foreign faction did it?

1 - Assuming RDI: This does not direct attention towards themselves. The point is, using the bonus amount tries to direct attention towards Access employees.

2 - Assuming IDI: There's always the possibility that a Ramsey is not guilty, and an Access employee is the perp. He tried to make it look like a foreign faction did it, but the 118,000 blew his cover.

3 - Another IDI: For your sake, perhaps it was a member of a foreign faction, trying to make it look like an Access employee did it. (Although this doesn't really make sense, because if it really WAS a foreign faction, he wasn't trying to make it look like anything BUT a foreign faction since he identified himself in the note).

So I guess the better question would be as to #3, what was the foreign faction alluding to by requesting $118,000?

 

[Brefie]

If I had to choose between the R's trying to come off like a goofy foreign faction, or a goofy foreign faction coming off like a goofy foreign faction, I'd pick the latter.

The R's would've come off like a real foreign faction, e.g. Japanese Red Army or something. There wouldn't be any cryptic, unintelligible stuff like SBTC or Victory!

They would also have asked for more money for their own daughter. Do you think the R's would only ask for $118,000 for their own daughter? Wouldn't they know ahead of time that someone would think that was too little money?

IF they (R's) 'dunnit', then I would expect that the cover up would make little sense. We are not talking about experienced killers that would know how to cover their tracks with expertise, we are talking about petrified, panicked parents with a whole lot to lose. Not to mention what they know they have already lost - their beloved daughter.

So, when dealing with the RN, I believe it's safe to say that the nonsesical bits point directly at folks who have no idea what a ransom note 'should' say, and who are not in their 'right mind'.

 

[capps]

Quote by Brefie:
"So, when dealing with the RN, I believe it's safe to say that the nonsesical bits point directly at folks who have no idea what a ransom note 'should' say, and who are not in their 'right mind'."

Brefie,

I agree with you about the RN author not being in the "right mind",but as far as the RN being nonsense,I'm not so sure.

My take is,there was a reason to mention the $118,000,attache case,fat cat,etc.It was to let John know,in a covert way,that the RN author is not just some random crazy person unknown to the Ramsey's,but somehow "attached" to John.It could be anyone,who may be privy to some of the Ramsey's "inside" information,be it a neighbor,gardener,housekeeper,co-worker ... or anyone of those above, who happened to pass that information to another aquaintance ... and it fell upon dangerous ears.

 

[Camper]

Wellll, pick out 'a' clue in the ranson note and run with 'it', there are plenty of em to go around. Collectively they are confusing. Which was the focus of the note, imop, confusion and diversity. Something for everyone.

Foreign faction IMOP would write on a brown bag, "WE have your kid, WE want X amount of money (fill in the blank) WE will contact you.

Topic of this thread is tape residue comment by Cyril Wecht in the thread link.

He makes other comments that raise eyebrows about physical activity of the family THAT morning.

I am obeying the 10% posting rule for copying contents of a link. here.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/nebula/9337/unexplained.html

"Patsy Ramsey made a 911 call to the Boulder Police Department shortly before six a.m. on the morning of December 26, 1996.* She phoned to report that her daughter was missing from the house and that she found a note indicating that JonBenet had been kidnapped.

JonBenet was located in the center of the room. Could John Ramsey see his daughter in that dark windowless room without
turning on the light and sticking his head inside the doorway? He says he did.

John Ramsey rushed to his daughter and said that he removed tape from her mouth. His prints were not found on the tape. He immediately picked her up and carried her up stairs. He placed his daughter on the floor near the entry way began CPR. Why did John Ramsey wait until he carried his daughter upstairs to begin CPR? He had the presence of mind to remove tape from her mouth, isn't the next natural thing CPR? John Ramsey didn't think it was. Did he need all to notice his body was touching JonBenet, his clothes were touching JonBenet, and that his saliva, clothes fibers and hair would likely be found on her body? Was he aware that he contaminated the crime scene when he pulled the tape from his daughter's mouth, maybe not.* It would be natural for a father to come to the aid of his daughter.* Was it normal behavior for him to pick up an obviously dead and stiff body and carry it up stairs?* John Ramsey says it was."

I find his comments believable. Cyril has done thousands upon thousands of autopsy's, and no doubt learned much about each or many of those cases. He is not a dumbell, in the matter of murder, and unusual deaths.

I cannot remember the route of the tape AFTER JR removed it, was it flung from his fingers ?, dropped carefully NEXT to where the body was found ?. Do WE know where the tape ended up THAT morning and WHO retrieved it?

ALSO did anyone turn on the light when they responded to JR in the dark room?



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[UKGuy]

Quote by Brefie:
"So, when dealing with the RN, I believe it's safe to say that the nonsesical bits point directly at folks who have no idea what a ransom note 'should' say, and who are not in their 'right mind'."

Brefie,

I agree with you about the RN author not being in the "right mind",but as far as the RN being nonsense,I'm not so sure.

My take is,there was a reason to mention the $118,000,attache case,fat cat,etc.It was to let John know,in a covert way,that the RN author is not just some random crazy person unknown to the Ramsey's,but somehow "attached" to John.It could be anyone,who may be privy to some of the Ramsey's "inside" information,be it a neighbor,gardener,housekeeper,co-worker ... or anyone of those above, who happened to pass that information to another aquaintance ... and it fell upon dangerous ears.

capps,

Then this tactic would also alert investigators to a direct R connection! The ransom note is simply a part the staging, its meant to deceive the reader, its clever construction is to be contrasted with its purpose, but JonBenet was lying dead somewhere in the house e.g. not we have your daughter, or she she has been kidnapped.

So what you suggest, indirect communication, e.g. JR to JR, to deflect suspicion, or any other R, is staging, its inherent in the RN.

If you take this and ask again, "what does not add up" why the bouts of amnesia, my answer would be, both R's are complicit in a coverup, both know the other may turn on them in court, so they have to cover their backs, even hire separate attorneys.

This does not mean the R's killed JonBenet more that they know the only story we have been fed is mainly the staged one!

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[UKGuy]

Wellll, pick out 'a' clue in the ranson note and run with 'it', there are plenty of em to go around. Collectively they are confusing. Which was the focus of the note, imop, confusion and diversity. Something for everyone.

Foreign faction IMOP would write on a brown bag, "WE have your kid, WE want X amount of money (fill in the blank) WE will contact you.

Topic of this thread is tape residue comment by Cyril Wecht in the thread link.

He makes other comments that raise eyebrows about physical activity of the family THAT morning.

I am obeying the 10% posting rule for copying contents of a link. here.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/nebula/9337/unexplained.html



I find his comments pretty believable.

I cannot remember the route of the tape AFTER JR removed it, was it flung from his fingers ?, dropped carefully NEXT to where the body was found ?. Do WE know where the tape ended up THAT morning and WHO retrieved it?

ALSO did anyone turn on the light when they responded to JR in the dark room?



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Fleet White is alleged to have returned and picked up the piece of tape from the blanket.

FW displayed an intense interest in the tape, I would love to hear his remarks on this subject.


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[Brefie]

Quote by Brefie:
"So, when dealing with the RN, I believe it's safe to say that the nonsesical bits point directly at folks who have no idea what a ransom note 'should' say, and who are not in their 'right mind'."

Brefie,

I agree with you about the RN author not being in the "right mind",but as far as the RN being nonsense,I'm not so sure.

My take is,there was a reason to mention the $118,000,attache case,fat cat,etc.It was to let John know,in a covert way,that the RN author is not just some random crazy person unknown to the Ramsey's,but somehow "attached" to John.It could be anyone,who may be privy to some of the Ramsey's "inside" information,be it a neighbor,gardener,housekeeper,co-worker ... or anyone of those above, who happened to pass that information to another aquaintance ... and it fell upon dangerous ears.

Hey Capps,

By 'nonsensical' I just meant the aspects of the RN that make it like no other, or what we have come to expect from RNs if you will.