A good read - Black Tape and other interesting bits

[BlueCrab]

His bonus appeared in all of his payslips that year.

Correct. A kid looking at one of those pay stubs wouldn't have likely been able to figure out that the $118,000 was just Ramsey's bonus amount for the year. So he used that amount in the ransom note thinking $118,000 was about what John could afford. John's actual salary was a reported $1 million a year, but the child had no way of knowing that.

The $118,000 ransom demand is one of the most bizarre things in this case. The immature wording in the note is the main reason I suspect the involvement of children.

BlueCrab

 

[UKGuy]

Correct. A kid looking at one of those pay stubs wouldn't have likely been able to figure out that the $118,000 was just Ramsey's bonus amount for the year. So he used that amount in the ransom note thinking $118,000 was about what John could afford. John's actual salary was a reported $1 million a year, but the child had no way of knowing that.

The $118,000 ransom demand is one of the most bizarre things in this case. The immature wording in the note is the main reason I suspect the involvement of children.

BlueCrab

A 9-year old boy whose father is a millionare, who owns private airplanes, private boats, more than one property, owns stocks and bonds etc, will have no problem distinguishing $1 million from $118,000.

It could be argued that in contrast to less wealthy children BR should have a keener sense of capital, and their relative values, after all no expense was spared on JonBenet's pageant career.

The immature wording may also reflect an attempt to disguise and color the RN as that of a FF whose language attainment was poor, there was more than one draft.

The clever construction of the RN is not that of a 9-year old boy, the wine-cellar staging is not that of a 9-year old boy!


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[Holdontoyourhat]

His bonus appeared in all of his payslips that year. Pay (including bonuses) is cumulative for tax purposes.

When did he actually receive this 'bonus'? Do you have a source for any of this?

 

[rashomon]

The immature wording in the note is the main reason I suspect the involvement of children.

The immature wording may also reflect an attempt to disguise and color the RN as that of a FF whose language attainment was poor, there was more than one draft.

The clever construction of the RN is not that of a 9-year old boy, the wine-cellar staging is not that of a 9-year old boy!

I couldn't agee more, UKGUY - my thoughts exactly!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

A 9-year old boy whose father is a millionare, who owns private airplanes, private boats, more than one property, owns stocks and bonds etc, will have no problem distinguishing $1 million from $118,000.

It could be argued that in contrast to less wealthy children BR should have a keener sense of capital, and their relative values, after all no expense was spared on JonBenet's pageant career.

The immature wording may also reflect an attempt to disguise and color the RN as that of a FF whose language attainment was poor, there was more than one draft.

The clever construction of the RN is not that of a 9-year old boy, the wine-cellar staging is not that of a 9-year old boy!


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Don't forget the clever construction and deadly application of the garrote either. Any 9 year old wouldn't have the physical or mental capability to either write that RN or construct and use that garrote. JBR was strangled to death, and her skull was fractured. There was no accident. There was no staging. This has 'career criminal' written all over it.

 

[tipper]

When did he actually receive this 'bonus'? Do you have a source for any of this?

I believe it was early March 1996. Check the interviews.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I believe it was early March 1996. Check the interviews.

I was just seeing if the claim on a bonus amount of $118,000 appearing 'in all of his payslips' could be backed up.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

The $118,000 ransom demand is one of the most bizarre things in this case. The immature wording in the note is the main reason I suspect the involvement of children.

BlueCrab

Its only bizarre in that its not understood what the killer meant. The amount of $118,000 has some as yet unidentified meaning to the killer.

$118,000 could be how much the killer thought he was owed by someone, or it could be how much it cost the killer to carry out the crime, or it could be how much the killer actually wanted, in $100's and in $20's.

Somebody who wants small denominations generally intends to spend it without being caught.

 

[BlueCrab]

Don't forget the clever construction and deadly application of the garrote either. Any 9 year old wouldn't have the physical or mental capability to either write that RN or construct and use that garrote.

Holdontoyourhat,

And don't forget that a fifth (and maybe a sixth) person was likely in the house that night at the invitation of a Ramsey, as indicated by the missing crime scene items of evidence. Those missing items didn't grow wings and fly out of the broken basement window. Someone took them out of the house before the cops arrived. Was that fifth person a college student whose name has been purposely kept out of the investigation, out of PMPT, and out of the media?

BlueCrab

 

[UKGuy]

Don't forget the clever construction and deadly application of the garrote either. Any 9 year old wouldn't have the physical or mental capability to either write that RN or construct and use that garrote. JBR was strangled to death, and her skull was fractured. There was no accident. There was no staging. This has 'career criminal' written all over it.

Holdontoyourhat,

IMO the garrote was not used to asphyxiate JonBenet, that was added afterwards. If you read my previous posts on this topic I supply the forensic evidence to demonstrate not only why this is the case, but also to show why the crime-scene in the wine-cellar is staged.

The theory that a sociopathic sexual sadist, was the intruder who erotically asphyxiated JonBenet, which is derivitave from Lou Smit, has been refuted. It holds no water, has no currency, and has no predictive value!

To incorporate the staged evidence into your favorite Intruder Theory, whether he be a family friend or foe, will allow you to speculate upon anything you care, but the resulting theory will always be flawed, because its based not only on false, but faked assumptions.

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[rashomon]

Holdontoyourhat,

IMO the garrote was not used to asphyxiate JonBenet, that was added afterwards. If you read my previous posts on this topic I supply the forensic evidence to demonstrate not only why this is the case, but also to show why the crime-scene in the wine-cellar is staged.

The theory that a sociopathic sexual sadist, was the intruder who erotically asphyxiated JonBenet, which is derivitave from Lou Smit, has been refuted. It holds no water, has no currency, and has no predictive value!

To incorporate the staged evidence into your favorite Intruder Theory, whether he be a family friend or foe, will allow you to speculate upon anything you care, but the resulting theory will always be flawed, because its based not only on false, but faked assumptions.

UKGuy - Exactly: not only are these assumptions false, they are faked.
I can't see why some people here so stubbornly refuse to see your points. You base your argumentation on facts, and apply logic and common sense.
Instead of grasping at far-fetched scenarios, you look at what is actually there and to whom it points.
I have the feeling that you would be darn good as a homicide detective in real life too - you sure have got what it takes!

 

[UKGuy]

UKGuy - Exactly: not only are these assumptions false, they are faked.
I can't see why some people here so stubbornly refuse to see your points. You base your argumentation on facts, and apply logic and common sense.
Instead of grasping at far-fetched scenarios, you look at what is actually there and to whom it points.
I have the feeling that you would be darn good as a homicide detective in real life too - you sure have got what it takes!

rashomon,

Thank you for your words, most people accord their personal beliefs a higher credibility than that of any logic.

I find it interesting that some people have for years been quite happily basing their theories upon staged evidence, and yet they still question why there has been no forward progress in this case?


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[Holdontoyourhat]

rashomon,

Thank you for your words, most people accord their personal beliefs a higher credibility than that of any logic.

I find it interesting that some people have for years been quite happily basing their theories upon staged evidence, and yet they still question why there has been no forward progress in this case?


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I'd bet the opposite is true. The fact is most RDI disallows any characterization of the perp thru either the crime scene (fake, staged, accident 'covered up') or the ransom note (bogus, all lies, no truths).

If you look past the idea that the entire crime scene is fake, a personality starts to emerge thats not unlike Leopold, Kaczynski, and other violent sociopaths that left behind anonymous writings relating to their murders.

 

[BlueCrab]

A 9-year old boy whose father is a millionare, who owns private airplanes, private boats, more than one property, owns stocks and bonds etc, will have no problem distinguishing $1 million from $118,000.

It could be argued that in contrast to less wealthy children BR should have a keener sense of capital, and their relative values, after all no expense was spared on JonBenet's pageant career.

The immature wording may also reflect an attempt to disguise and color the RN as that of a FF whose language attainment was poor, there was more than one draft.

The clever construction of the RN is not that of a 9-year old boy, the wine-cellar staging is not that of a 9-year old boy!


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UKGuy,

So according to your reasoning a nine-year-old boy has the skill and ability of a CPA when it comes to money, but can't write a childish ransom note that doesn't even make sense.

BlueCrab

 

[capps]

Maybe someone can refresh my memory,why would the remaining nylon cord,and duct tape be considered missing? There were tons of stuff in the cellar,couldn't the perp just use that size nylon laying around the basement,and taken a piece of duct tape from something it was adhered to from the basement also?

This was probably settled in prior posts,but I couldn't find it.

 

[Camper]

Welll I am still hanging on to my thought that the scarf that JR put into the casket with JonBenet, and tucking it carefully about her neck is quite likely to have been the strangulation device.

Exhumation would be helpful.

Yep many posters on WS have 'what it takes' to solve this case except for several thingies:

1. No access to the Grand Jury testimony.
2. No access to the information that LE has.
3. No legitimate lie detector tests on the Ramseys.

Additional comment is that LE has not solved it either.

Carry on.

Sorry to interrupt.


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[UKGuy]

UKGuy,

So according to your reasoning a nine-year-old boy has the skill and ability of a CPA when it comes to money, but can't write a childish ransom note that doesn't even make sense.

BlueCrab

BlueCrab,

I am suggesting an alternative interpretation to your one, which is based upon a 9-year old boys inability to distinguish between absolute capital values. But in this case we have a rather special set of circumstances, the 9-year olds boys father is a millionaire.

So even if the 9-year old boy has no special mathematical skills, he will have a keener sense of the relative values of capital magnitudes.

The RN was cleverly constructed, and you know that, other people here know that you know that.

That RN was not constructed by a 9-year old, or even possibly an older teenager, since the argument regarding the $118,000 becomes even less contentious, as the older teenager will certainly appreciate $118,000 is small beer.


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[UKGuy]

Maybe someone can refresh my memory,why would the remaining nylon cord,and duct tape be considered missing? There were tons of stuff in the cellar,couldn't the perp just use that size nylon laying around the basement,and taken a piece of duct tape from something it was adhered to from the basement also?

This was probably settled in prior posts,but I couldn't find it.

capps,

I agree 100% with you. I think the problem is not that these items may be missing, but that nobody can demonstrate that they existed in the first place, since as you suggest they may have been sourced in an ad-hoc manner from the domestic surroundings?

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[capps]

Welll I am still hanging on to my thought that the scarf that JR put into the casket with JonBenet, and tucking it carefully about her neck is quite likely to have been the strangulation device.

Exhumation would be helpful.

Yep many posters on WS have 'what it takes' to solve this case except for several thingies:

1. No access to the Grand Jury testimony.
2. No access to the information that LE has.
3. No legitimate lie detector tests on the Ramseys.

Additional comment is that LE has not solved it either.

Carry on.

Sorry to interrupt.


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Camper,

Tucking the scarf carefully about her neck,is not exactly correct. The only place we heard about John placing the scarf around JonBenet in the casket,was in the book DOI.

Per DOI pg.39
"Then it was John's turn. He recently purchased a beautiful silk scarf,and he tucked it around JonBenet as if surrounding her with a final blanket of love."

It seems he covered her with the scarf like a blanket,not carefully about her neck.

 

[Thinkoflaura]

Does everyone know the history behind the Nebula51 site given as a reference and discussion point on page one of the thread?
In case you don't, you might want to know. It was made by a fellow case poster who passed away a few years ago.
This was a website put up by a longtime RDI poster named " Ruthie". I believe she posted on the old ACR site and the original WS site as well. She died a few years ago, and her website was a work in progress at the time. I think it stands for everything that was Ruthie's belief in this case.

Ruth possessed a strong sense of intuition and was very outspoken in her theory. She, like some others, claimed to have psychic visions about the case. She had a theory based upon intuition about almost every aspect of the case, including a toy plush Santa bear she believed had an earring holding the gift bag onto the bear's back. I'm sure you can find that part as well. She has photos of JonBenet wearing a slightly similar pair of earrings and thought they were a matched pair... I think the meaning she had was that someone in the family used one of JBRs earrings to put something valuable in a toy Santa's bag.
Quite a few of Ruthie's theories hold water, and a few are... slightly out there.
I always enjoyed reading her site and her posts, and miss posting with her these last few years since she has been gone, as we were both RDI believers.

I do think it is important to please remember when you take all of the words and photos she put online that this is ONE POSTER'S theory and it probably would have been modified over time with more evidence as she had more visions, and Jameson leaked more info or mis- info ( which ended anyway when she sold the R's out to the NE, LOL) , but Ruthie died first, so we don't know what the site would have become. It is interesting to read.
Thank you for letting me share and for reading my post. Sorry to interrupt the flow of discussion.

I rarely post on this case any longer because I have stated my position until there is nothing left to say. The perp walks free in Charlevoix MI and wherever they travel " hither and yon".