A new kidnapper

[ThoughtFox]

I have to say im finding all this hard to follow now..because everything is changing daily whar they are saying

So the alien looking man is supposedly the abductor. And yet he looks nothing like Tanners supposed sighting. So if we are to believe the new picture...then..who was the guy who Tanner claims she saw?

Fair enough most people dont believe Tanner anyhow...but with this new picture..seems like there chucking her to the lions somehow...and the dumb thing is Tanner probably doesnt even realise it yet.

The way I look at it, Tanner lost her credibility because her crazy story changed so many times, so they need a new fake suspect from someone besides Tanner. This could go on for years, and actually it is going on for years.

 

[Isabella]

This article is similar. The only thing they said was the man didn't look like Murat. They didn't say he looked like Gerry.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/20080641299179

However, in both articles, the description they gave was said to be similar to the one Jane Tanner gave.

Martin Smith has very clearly said Gerry McCann. Im not talking about articles in the press..im talking about statements to the Pjs..

Yes the descriptions were very similar..except he said it was Gerry he saw in his opinion..

HOWEVER..

Thats now irrelevant as according to Gerry the kidnapper is someone who looks like a martian.

 

[Isabella]

Current mugshots of people that have be en sought in connection with this case - i still say the only 2 proper pics look like Gerry and OBrien

 

[badhorsie]

For some weird reason, top row, number 5 has a look of KMC about him:waitasec::waitasec:

 

[Isabella]

Regarding this new "suspect " the McCanns have dreamed up .. ..this was supposedly done going from what witnesses including a young girl living there said and the description she gave. HOWEVER this is the description given by the young girl concerned

As you can see this isnt remotely like the picture put out by the McCanns.

From the Pj cds ...page 800-804 of volume 111

Deposition of 12-year-old girl according to case files

Deposition of T. M. S., aged 12, a resident in Luz, on the 9th of May 2007, 4 p.m.
Page 800-804, volume III of process 201/07.0GALGS

"Comes to the process as a witness. Understands the Portuguese Language, as she has been living in Portugal since the age of two months (approximately eleven years ago). Still, an interpreter is present [name withheld].

Her parents are separated, she initially resided in Monchique, and now in Praia da Luz, since 2005, at the address that is stated above, with her Mother.

She also mentions that she lived in the apartment where the missing child was staying, that belonged to her Grandmother, who is already deceased. That she didn’t actually reside there, but spent extensive and repeated periods of time there, with her Grandmother and her Mother. The apartment was bought in 1994 and sold in 2002 and therefore she knows it perfectly, both from the inside and from the outside.

She wishes to clarify. On the 30th of April, Monday, at around 8 a.m. and when she was walking to the bus stop for the school bus that leaves at 8.15, a path that she walks every day when there is school, she noticed the presence of a male individual, at the back of Madeleine’s house, on a little pathway to the apartments that exists there, looking in an ostensive manner at the house’s balcony. This happened when she was walking down the street, on the left side, which was right in front of the balcony, and the distance between them was the width of the road. That when she was walking down she decided to look at the pathway, because as she lived there, she likes to watch the house and the neighbouring garden. She walked with her mother, that she is certain she didn’t see the man, and she was walking two dogs on a leash, which forced them to cross the road, a bit further down. At that moment she saw the man more closely, as they crossed the road, and then lost visual angle when they finished crossing.

Says that the man didn’t see the deponent, because he was staring at the balcony.

She presumes that nobody was on Madeleine’s house’s balcony, but she cannot state it beyond doubt.

After crossing, she caught the bus and went to school and her mother went on the beach to walk the dogs.

When she returned from school, at around 5.30/5.40 p.m., after leaving the bus, she walked a different path, because the bus has a stop on the street where she lives, and therefore she doesn’t need to walk down to the ‘Ocean Club’. She didn’t see the man again at that time, nor did she see him again until the 2nd of May, Wednesday, after the bank holiday.

That on that day she didn’t go to school because she was sick with an infection in her right ear. Still, and feeling somewhat better, at around noon she left on her own, as her mother was at work, with the dogs, and went to the ‘Alisuper’ supermarket which is located on a perpendicular to Rua Direita, where she bought chocolates for €3,63. Then she walked to the pharmacy, which is located below the ‘Baptista’ supermarket, on a lateral perspective, where she bought a box of earplugs, to prevent water from getting in, and spent €4,55. Then she went to ‘Baptista’ supermarket to buy cereal bread, because they don’t sell it at ‘Alisuper’. She left the dogs tied at the back entrance of ‘Baptista’ and went in to buy the bread. She paid, left ‘Baptista’, collected the dogs, and walked across the supermarket’s hall to the main entrance, approximately four/five metres, which exits to the street where she had seen the man. She started walking up the street on the left side going up, and saw the man, this time in front of the ‘Ocean Club’s’ reception, once more looking at Madeleine’s house in an ostensive manner, where he stood he could observe, she thinks, the house’s two side windows and part of the balcony. She thinks that he could also be looking at the other residences that are located in the same direction.

That as she was walking up she walked right in front of the man, and observed him directly, an action that he did not retaliate, because he never looked at the deponent. The distance that she observed him from was the width of the road.

After walking by the individual, she walked towards her house, through the road to the right, and never looked back to the man, or turned around to observe him better.

After that day she never saw him again.

As she said before, she left home at 12 p.m. and returned at 12.35 p.m., which means she crossed with the man at around 12.25/12.28 (the rest of the walk takes about seven minutes).

On the next day, Thursday (0.305.2007) she walked the same path as on the 30th, at the same time, but didn’t see the man, and never saw him again, as she said before.

Concerning the individual, she describes him as being: Caucasian race, light skin, so he wasn’t Portuguese, but could be British, according to her criteria. Approximately 180 cm tall, thin complexion, 30/35 years of age. Short hair, like shaved with 1 cm of length and fair, but she isn’t sure if it was blonde because the sun was reflecting, and made perception more difficult. She didn’t see the eyes because he wore dark glasses of black colour, with a structure of mass, a thick frame. He had a large forehead. Nose of normal size, a bit pointy and sharp. Large ears, close against the head. Mouth with thin lips, she didn’t see his teeth. Chin pointing up, which stood out on a face that she describes as sharp. No beard, no moustache, a clean shave. No other special signs, apart from some small pimples on the face as a result of shaving. He looked ugly, even ‘disgusting’.

The first time that she saw him he was wearing a sports style jacket of thin black leather, with a zipper and several pockets also with similar zippers, in silver. She saw no label or inscription. The jacket was open, therefore she saw a white t-shirt, with a dark blue label near the waist, which she cannot identify very well.

Trousers, she thinks, of blue jeans, worn out. Sports shoes (trainers) in black and grey, with a wave, maybe ‘Nike’ in a colour that she can’t remember.

The second time, he wore the same jacket, this time zipped up, because the day was colder than the first one, windy. She didn’t notice the rest of the clothing. She says that on that day he had a pen with a string attached to one of his pockets.

The first time, he was leaning against the wall against his hands, and the second time, he had his hands in his pockets.

She never saw him with any photo camera, or any mobile phone, although the second time, he might have a device in his pocket, which she detected by the shape.

When asked, she says that she saw no vehicle near the man, only a few vehicles, but near the ‘Baptista’.

When asked she says that she saw Madeleine once, on a day that she cannot indicate, on the balcony where the man was staring at, the first time. She even waved at her because it was a small child, in a caring gesture.

A map of the area is added, where A is the spot of the first sighting and B the spot for the second one. The ‘Baptista’ supermarket and Madeleine’s apartment.

She said that she can recognise the man both personally and photographically, and create a photofit.

Therefore I interrupt the present deposition and show the deponent photographs of individuals with similar characteristics.

I resume the deposition where it is consigned that the diligence resulted negatively, according to a report that is annexed.

She didn’t say anything further. The deposition is read and approved, ratified and signed together with the interpreter that assisted.

The present deposition is written and signed."




Following on from THAT....

On page 800, the interview with T. M. S. is presented, who saw on two occasions and on several other days, an individual observing the apartment from which MADELEINE disappeared. A photo-fit was created based on the witness' indications . . . diligences were performed which led to the identification of MICHAEL ANTHONY GREEN, who was the target of diverse diligences without incriminatory results, pages 632 to 726 of Volume III, Appendix VI. Beyond this individual, there were other diligences performed at this level, also without useful results for the investigation, as is explained throughout Appendix VI.

Soooo the question is..why are the McCanns..distributing a picture of a "suspect" at a time when there doing media appearances and the fund is getting low..and of a "picture" that doesnt resemble the suspect in the slightest..and accusing the Pj of ignoring tips when obviously this is a lie..and not just that..why are they saying this guy could have kidnapped her when the reality is HES BEEN RULED OUT?

 

[Salem]

I just saw this, and to me it looks like something a bored teenager would doodle while talking on the phone.​

Is this for real? :crosseyed: Now we've run the gamut of suspects from the nicely dressed European looking guy to Mr. Pimple Face Ugly Guy. Bad Skin = Criminal. Not.

Of course, if someone saw an ugly person on the street, that has to be the suspect! Pretty people never commit crimes, do they? [/snark]

Here's what's funny - I wondered the other day if the McCanns were kicking off a new round of red herrings but I didn't type that out because it sounded so cynical. :crystal ball: Now today I see Mr. Pimples and I believe I was having a premonition.

I really think it looks like Gerry with the chicken pox. The minute I saw it flashed on the Today show (I didn't watch Oprah) my jaw dropped. The receding hairline, the NOSE. The chin is narrower. It looks like one of those cartoon sketches you get done at the fair. I think it is Gerry!

Salem

 

[Salem]

Correct! There was also a faux pas with the witness summonses they did not write that Smith was in Ireland not UK & they were not granted permission to change!

Yes!!! Why was that?? Why? Makes absolutely no sense. One of the very frustrating parts of this investigation.

Salem

 

[Isabella]

I really think it looks like Gerry with the chicken pox. The minute I saw it flashed on the Today show (I didn't watch Oprah) my jaw dropped. The receding hairline, the NOSE. The chin is narrower. It looks like one of those cartoon sketches you get done at the fair. I think it is Gerry!

Salem

Lol to be honest i think it looks like Gerry too...which...when you think about it..could make the description of the "kidnapper" slightly true at least.

 

[Isabella]

Yes!!! Why was that?? Why? Makes absolutely no sense. One of the very frustrating parts of this investigation.

Salem

Amaral himself admitted last week certain parts of the investigation should been done differently. I think part of the problem is..we all know this was no normal investigation..the night this happened..the guy from the consolate turned up and said no more questioning (?) when the reality is at that time the more they could find out the better. The people higher up than Amaral seemeed too concerned about not accusing the McCanns and with the pressures they were under from the Brits thats also understandable. Martin Smith alleges it was Gerry he saw..this was ignored because the friends of all people said he was in the bar at that point...when...statements from bar staff dont seem to indicate this at all. I think the Pjs should have ignored anything the friends had to say about ANYTHING and gone on from there...

Or arrested them all til they gave satisfactory answers.

 

[rashomon]

For some weird reason whenever they put a new picture out..the suspects get weirder and weirder looking.

Ah, here we have another variation of the "bushy haired stranger", the world's most sought-after criminal - the pock-marked, pimple-faced stranger ...!

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I just saw this, and to me it looks like something a bored teenager would doodle while talking on the phone.

​

Is this for real? :crosseyed: Now we've run the gamut of suspects from the nicely dressed European looking guy to Mr. Pimple Face Ugly Guy. Bad Skin = Criminal. Not.

Of course, if someone saw an ugly person on the street, that has to be the suspect! Pretty people never commit crimes, do they? [/snark]

Here's what's funny - I wondered the other day if the McCanns were kicking off a new round of red herrings but I didn't type that out because it sounded so cynical. :crystal ball: Now today I see Mr. Pimples and I believe I was having a premonition.

Not to be mean but the man in that picture looks like someone that just rented a room from my mother. But the guy that is renting is 29 Yrs old and does not have the spots/scar's on his face. This guy in the mug shot looks older. Anyone know the age? TIA...

 

[Isabella]

Not to be mean but the man in that picture looks like someone that just rented a room from my mother. But the guy that is renting is 29 Yrs old and does not have the spots/scar's on his face. This guy in the mug shot looks older. Anyone know the age? TIA...

This guy has in fact already been ruled OUT of the investigation by the PJ. They do have a name for him. All this is in the files. Whats more the picture drawn by the witness didnt look remotely like this.

If i was M.A.G i would sue the McCanns for this...

MOO

 

[badhorsie]

I have wondered whether this sketch was deliberately made to look a bit like GM, so that Mr Smith's statement when he said that the man he saw looked like GM could be explained.
However, Mr Smith was saying the body language was the same.
Has anyone seen the story of the "Gypsy Market Place Trader"?
They even took DNA samples without his knowledge, I thought this would be illegal.

I think that TM are desperate and imploding.
This is all doing my head in now

 

[ThoughtFox]

Ah, here we have another variation of the "bushy haired stranger", the world's most sought-after criminal - the pock-marked, pimple-faced stranger ...!

Exactly - throughout this case, they have tried to blame it on "dark-skinned foreigners," kidnappers from Morocco absconding with blonde children, and people with old clothes and bad hygiene. It's just too similar to crimes in the U.S. that have been blamed on imaginary African American kidnappers, such as the Susan Smith case. It just plays on people's prejudices since there are still those who would say that wealthy attractive white people never commit crimes.

 

[saggymoon]

I will be totally honest and say i had no idea what to call this thread.

This is a picture of a guy there now trying to say took Madeleine. He doesnt look remotely like Tanners differing versions of the egg/bundleman. On the Oprah show it sounded like they was trying to drop Oldfield in it by the way they changed there story and now there saying the "kidnapper" looks different to how Tanner describes...this is after Gerry and both Jez said Tanner wasnt there night.

Why do I get the feeeling that Gerry would pin it on one of that gang in a instance?[ chu/QUOTE]

OMG this brings back memories. the laughable spotty man. many a news presenters on the day couldnt help chuckling.

 

[brit1981]

That picture did not come from Jane Tanner, it came from a resident who said she had seen a man like that near the resort a couple of times. Some media outlets said it looked like a Scottish paedophile who is now in prison, but had been travelling in Spain and Portugal at the time, but i did not see it. There were lot sof people staying and working in the resort he could very easily have just been innocently waiting outside for someone. No-one has ever said he looed like the man Tanner and the smiths saw.

 

[brit1981]

If tanner did not walk past jeremeny and gerry where did she go then as everyone saw her leave the table, and she said she was going to chec on the children. So when she left she had to go on to the street where gerry and jeremy were and either walk past them or away from them. the only other option is that she stayed at the table and everyone lied about it for some reason, and she just guessed gerry had talked to jeremy at that bit of road, and she just happened to give a description to the police that turned out to match the smith's description (the smith gave their description after Tanner, but before her full description hit the media).

 

[SapphireSteel]

If tanner did not walk past jeremeny and gerry where did she go then as everyone saw her leave the table, and she said she was going to chec on the children. So when she left she had to go on to the street where gerry and jeremy were and either walk past them or away from them. the only other option is that she stayed at the table and everyone lied about it for some reason, and she just guessed gerry had talked to jeremy at that bit of road, and she just happened to give a description to the police that turned out to match the smith's description (the smith gave their description after Tanner, but before her full description hit the media).

That is an excellent question - where DID she go?

Further, the Smiths went on to later identify the man they saw as Gerry.

As you point out, SOMEONE'S lying.

 

[saggymoon]

LOL there is a video on youtube morphin gerry to this but i cannot find it

The sketch was a total joke and once it went on tv the presenters couldnt help laughing

i wonder what gerry thought was so funny 3 days after he thought paedos had taken his daughter here, how disgusting



http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=/&gl=GB#/watch?v=9VlS-gO5Ask