A rush to judgement?

[Rino]

Of course you do.

This time I don't follow. I doubt them because I don't beleive everything that they put out there.

Example: 1-GM we were not being watched, KM nodds in agreement
2-GK we beleive we were being watched.

To believe 1, number 2 is a fabrication
To believe 2, why leave your kids unattended?

 

[SleuthMom]

Being made suspects does not make them guilty.

Never said that. What I am saying is that their latest move is expected based on them being arguidos in the case. Now the TIMING is very interesting.

 

[IrishMist]

This time I don't follow. I doubt them because I don't beleive everything that they put out there.

Example: 1-GM we were not being watched, KM nodds in agreement
2-GK we beleive we were being watched.

To believe 1, number 2 is a fabrication
To believe 2, why leave your kids unattended?

Right. That's my point. You pick and choose what to believe, as do I. We're the both of us completely free to do so, but it doesn't make what we believe a fact. It remains an opinion.

Two intelligent people can look at the same thing and come away with different opinions. But facts are facts, regardless of what we think of them. And in this case, we are sorely lacking in facts. That's all.

 

[SleuthMom]

Hi, I am new posting here, but have read almost every post about this poor child.

I work for an attorney here in Florida, but she is from the UK and I asked her opinion about leaving children alone, was that something normal for them to do? She told me absolutely not. She was never left alone nor would she ever leave her children alone. I don't know if it just differs with each person, but I mean, she is an attorney, so she can afford a resort such as this one, and she is intelligent, per my opinion, maybe not everyone's and she wouldn't leave her children alone. She actually told me she would not even hire a babysitter service, she would not trust anyone but herself or her husband, unless she hired them herself and used all the time.

Just another perspective.

Thank You.

Or family, sorry, missed that.

Thanks for that! Having lived in different parts of the world, the whole "cultural" issue is non-sense to me. We are not speaking about people living in some remote and strange culture, these people are from the UK!

Having said that, I think this is a merely PERSONAL parenting issue and has nothing to do with how Europeans do things. This was just the Mc Canns doing what they did many times before.

 

[Rino]

Right. That's my point. You pick and choose what to believe, as do I. We're the both of us completely free to do so, but it doesn't make what we believe a fact. It remains an opinion.

Two intelligent people can look at the same thing and come away with different opinions. But facts are facts, regardless of what we think of them. And in this case, we are sorely lacking in facts. That's all.

Wrong.

Gerry McCann has said both. They were not being watched, they were being watched, in that order on two different occasions. Which do you believe?

I don't know what to beleive, thats why I have doubts.

 

[IrishMist]

Never said that. What I am saying is that their latest move is expected based on them being arguidos in the case. Now the TIMING is very interesting.

Do you mean the timing of hiring the agency? Why do you find that to be interesting?

 

[IrishMist]

Wrong.

Gerry McCann has said both. They were not being watched, they were being watched, in that order on two different occasions. Which do you believe?

I don't know what to beleive, thats why I have doubts.

Can you give me links to what you are talking about so I can see it in context? Then I can speak to that specific issue.

But overall, in line with what you and I have been discussing, it's still your opinion that he's lying, isn't it? I understand why you have doubts, even if I don't agree with you. But that doesn't change what I've been saying. That those are our opinions, not facts.

 

[SleuthMom]

Do you mean the timing of hiring the agency? Why do you find that to be interesting?

No, I meant the timing of it coming to "light".

 

[IrishMist]

No, I meant the timing of it coming to "light".

Oh! Gotcha. Now I see what you mean. Of course, I don't agree with you, but I see what you're saying.

You didn't faint did ya?

 

[wtsn5]

No, I meant the timing of it coming to "light".

I also found that to be curious but it has been suggested to me that maybe it is the new PR person putting their spin on it. Also maybe with all the leaks the police have had the McCanns felt maybe they should leak something also. I don't know.

JMO

 

[Rino]

Can you give me links to what you are talking about so I can see it in context? Then I can speak to that specific issue.

First televised interview." Looking back did you see anything leading up to the abduction... racking your brains to think if people might have been watching?"

Kate "We didn't" nodding... Gerry, "If we did we wouldn't tell you....giggle...we didn't, you know, it was such a relaxing holiday....up until that point as good a holiday we've had with the children."
http://youtube.com/jp.swf?video_id=...efault.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskJ0oJvouMjSKTSOTnFPMdWU

Madeleine's father's chilling belief: 'Kidnapper was hiding in flat when I checked on her'.....
The McCanns are convinced Madeleine was being watched during the course of their week-long holiday in the Algarve.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...ews.html?in_article_id=483026&in_page_id=1811

But overall, in line with what you and I have been discussing, it's still your opinion that he's lying, isn't it? I understand why you have doubts, even if I don't agree with you. But that doesn't change what I've been saying. That those are our opinions, not facts.

They have been inconsistant (this is just one example). Which do you choose to beleive. I simply don't know, therefore, I have doubts.

 

[Jdee]

I watched the video (again as it's an old one now and needed to rewatch it) and read the article and to me it just seems in the beginning they didn't think anything was amis... Then later ... after he rethinks the 'abuduction' he decides that Madeleine was being watched. I don't really see this as his changing his tune. I would probably do the same and looking back rethink everything and come up with new and different scenerios.:twocents:

 

[IrishMist]

I watched the video (again as it's an old one now and needed to rewatch it) and read the article and to me it just seems in the beginning they didn't think anything was amis... Then later ... after he rethinks the 'abuduction' he decides that Madeleine was being watched. I don't really see this as his changing his tune. I would probably do the same and looking back rethink everything and come up with new and different scenerios.:twocents:

I couldn't get back in earlier to answer you, Rino, but if I could have, it would have been what Jdee said.

 

[docwho3]

. . . She was never left alone nor would she ever leave her children alone. . .

Thats good to know, thanks.

. . . She actually told me she would not even hire a babysitter service, she would not trust anyone but herself or her husband, unless she hired them herself and used all the time. . .

With this added bit it sounds like a little of both sentiments have a place.

1. Not willing to leave a child alone.

2. Not wanting to trust anyone else or any listening service or sitter etc. (If I understood you correctly about the 2nd point.)

The mccann parents seemed to have agreed with the 2nd point.
Hard to tell if they somehow thought that checkng on the kids themselves was really an acceptable compromise with point number one.

Thanks for sharing the viewpoint.

 

[pinto]

Thanks for that! Having lived in different parts of the world, the whole "cultural" issue is non-sense to me. We are not speaking about people living in some remote and strange culture, these people are from the UK!

A question: would you feed your 5 year old a beer? What would you think of a parent who did?

(Anyone can answer)

 

[solidarity]

I have been thinking over and over about Kate's first uttered words, upon her noticing Madeleine's disappearance: "They've taken her!".

To me, it almost sounds as if she knew exactly WHO had taken her....kind of like "they've done it!", which leads me to believe that perhaps the McCanns had been receiving threats, being intimidated or blackmailed in some way prior to all this. If this was the case, it would obviously have to involve something ilegal, or else they would've been upfront about it. I am thinking perhaps drugs, or something else that would in the same way damage their "image" or put them in a precarious legal position. In this scenario, I could also understand Kate's words: "we failed her".

I wonder if anyone else thinks this could be a likely theory?

 

[solidarity]

A question: would you feed your 5 year old a beer? What would you think of a parent who did?

(Anyone can answer)

If my child showed curiosity in a beer/wine, I would certainly let him take a sip. Personally, I think that children focus more on "prohibited" things. Most children would find the taste quite "yukky" and quickly move on.

P.S. This was what I did with my own son...he is 25 today and a non-drinker!!

 

[Brefie]

If my child showed curiosity in a beer, I would certainly let him take a sip. Personally, I think that children focus more on "prohibited" things. Most children would find the taste quite "yukky" and quickly move on.

I would too.

 

[Brefie]

I have been thinking over and over about Kate's first uttered words, upon her noticing Madeleine's disappearance: "They've taken her!".

To me, it almost sounds as if she knew exactly WHO had taken her....kind of like "they've done it!", which leads me to believe that perhaps the McCanns had been receiving threats, being intimidated or blackmailed in some way prior to all this. If this was the case, it would obviously have to involve something ilegal, or else they would've been upfront about it. I am thinking perhaps drugs, or something else that would in the same way damage their "image" or put them in a precarious legal position. In this scenario, I could also understand Kate's words: "we failed her".

I wonder if anyone else thinks this could be a likely theory?

If it was confirmed beyond reasonable doubt that she actually said these words, your theory is plausible, for sure. There are a couple different accounts for what she actually said, though.

 

[philamena]

Yup, that's about all the facts we know

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