A view from the inside: observations from our own court observers #2

[noZme]

I'm headed home now- let me grab a glass de vino and de-bra myself and I'm I
In

While we are waiting, I suggest everyone gets a beverage & gets rid of the bras. Ahhhhh!

 

[seguek9]

I didn't get in today, sorry. I hung out til about 3pm in case some spots opened up.

It was a good day for people watching. Also met some nice people in the hall.

Katie was inside so she'll have some great notes for us later.

Sorry I don't have any inside the courtroom news from today.

:hug: thank you for trying PASA!!! I appreciate all you do for us!!!!

 

[DeAnnaMisrahi]

BBM

2 words.

Casey Anthony.

You beat me to it, baby.

My logical brain KNOWS that this case is different, because we know that she killed him, we know that her story makes no sense... But, the worry is that there will be ONE person on that jury who buys her version of events, and it may be a mistrial OR that the will fall for her battered woman's defense, and think that she should only be convicted of a lesser charge, that will see her leaving prison without the aid of a body bag (either due to age or the DP). I also think a lot of people are listening to the talking heads whose point is to make sure people keep tuning in, so they will have a couple of people who will spin the evidence and testimony towards Arias' favor. I don't watch the THs, so I am not in that group, but I think most of the posters here do, so they get that seed of doubt from them.

The CA jury said that they couldn't find her guilty because they didn't know, for sure, how little Caylee died. I am scared that this jury is going to say that the state couldn't prove that the murder was premeditated. I am also scared that people can't connect the heinous acts perpetrated by Arias to Arias because of her demographic. Statistically speaking, her demographic (white female) tend to benefit from "benefit of the doubt" more greatly than others. Thankfully, there is so much evidence against her, that they have no choice BUT to connect it to her.

SO, yup, those are my fears. lol.

 

[LambChop]

Looking forward to today's report from KCL when she gets de-bra'd! LOL.

However, in the meantime, why is it that no matter how many times and no matter how many ways KatieCoolady assures posters that the jury does not believe JA's lies, that she is witnessing them be turned off of JA, and all the other juicy stuff...why is it that posters either don't believe KCL or despite being reassured day after day remain terrified and fearful? If that's the sentiment then it's time to turn off the trial and leave it all behind.

Mr. Juan and company are not worried. They're not fearful. They're not predicting failure. And they know more (much more) than we do.

Funny (in a sad and ironic way) that the 'Law of Attraction' is part of this case. Because all the negativity, fear, prediction of doom 'n gloom basically is saying to the universe, "Dear Universe, please create more evil and please let this particular murderer get away with the crime and be freed because that's my exact fear and that's what I'm thinking about and concentrating on and putting my energy into every day. Fear, evil, murder, doom. More of that please. Much, much more!"

Ahhhhh, the Law of Attraction. Don't we wish it worked that fast. I find it takes a long time and lots of practice and hard work. Then you go kill someone and there goes all your hard work. lol

While some may say they fear her getting off they really know there is only a slim chance that keeps getting slimmer and slimmer by each day. I really don't think by these questions they are buying anything she says. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." The jurors seem to get it. jmo

 

[redkatrampant]

And no matter how many hundreds of times people (including verified legal experts) explain the differences in the cases, the refusal to let the C.A. case go and the refusal to understand just how different, truly different, cases are from each other, it's like there is a mass effort to make the outcome the same again ("Law of Attraction" at work).

They are not the same case. People were terrified during the Drew Peterson case. How did that turn out?

If there's a refusal to let.it.go then all that's left is the energy to continue reliving the CA case overAndoverAndover again. How that benefits anyone I don't know, but it has nothing to do with this case. It's like a mass sickness and paranoia. Very sad and dysfunctional.

And frankly it's a waste to ask KCL or anyone else to promise a better outcome. They promise, yet they are not believed, yet they are asked again and again.

Juan is going to win this case. Juan is a winner. Look at his record. Look at the evidence in THIS case.

Oh I totally agree. I think part of it is not so much a refusal to let it go but people are scared. Sad? Yes. Dysnfunctional? I don't think so. There is so much injustice out there right now. Let's face it, this country is not a nice place let alone the world. Hell.In.A.Handbasket.

It is human nature to want to be reassured. So you are asking the dog not to bark.

 

[MeeBee]

I think people are just scared of getting ahead of themselves. I feel pretty confident but I don't want to get ahead of myself and set myself up to be majorly disappointed and disheartened.

 

[AnonymousD]

While we are waiting, I suggest everyone gets a beverage & gets rid of the bras. Ahhhhh!

Thanks for the reminder! :great:

 

[TotallyObsessed]

And no matter how many hundreds of times people (including verified legal experts) explain the differences in the cases, the refusal to let the C.A. case go and the refusal to understand just how different, truly different, cases are from each other, it's like there is a mass effort to make the outcome the same again ("Law of Attraction" at work).

They are not the same case. People were terrified during the Drew Peterson case. How did that turn out?

If there's a refusal to let.it.go then all that's left is the energy to continue reliving the CA case overAndoverAndover again. How that benefits anyone I don't know, but it has nothing to do with this case. It's like a mass sickness and paranoia. Very sad and dysfunctional.

<mod snip>

Juan is going to win this case. Juan is a winner. Look at his record. Look at the evidence in THIS case.

I realize the cases are entirely different. You have posted this time and time again. We get it. And I am not trying to be snarky here, but for most of us, the CA case had just as much evidence (albeit circumstantial) as this case. Most of us felt it in our BONES that she would be found guilty. I lived that case for 3 years. Inside and out. With a lot of WSrs. It was a SHOCK to have a not guilty verdict returned when most people KNEW she should have been found guilty.

People are gun shy. You can't blame them. I am one of them. The CA case proved that no matter how much you BELIEVE the case is a winner, the outcome is truly never predictable because there is an unknown factor...the jury.

That's all. Don't want to OT this thread. Sorry but just wanted you to understand that most of us feel just as strongly about that other case as you do this one.

 

[DeAnnaMisrahi]

Oh, one more thing, regarding why I don't (fully) trust that she will be found guilty, even with strong (eyewitness) evidence that the jury is against her... I tend not to trust what I can't see with my own eyes. I know from experience that people tend to project the way that they feel onto others. I'm not saying that anyone here has done that, mind you, but I just prefer to judge for myself. It's more of a trust thing. If it's someone that I know see things similarly to me, I then have a much easier time trusting their observations are in line with my own. If that makes sense?

I do greatly enjoy reading others observations, though, so that's why this thread is so fun.

ETA: Saying I don't trust that she will be found guilty sounds like I am saying that I think she won't be found guilty. That's not what I meant. I mean, I'm just not taking it as a given that she will be found guilty because of what people have observed, and because of what we've heard during the trial.

 

[Madeleine74]

I was sick after the OJ trial debacle. It was awful. But I knew it was that case, with that defendant, and that jury, in that jurisdiction that created THAT outcome.

I never feared the same thing would happen again because all of those elements couldn't be the same again. Different case, different lawyers, different jurors, different everything.

Unwillingness to let go means the desired result is to relive pain and make more of it (the pain) and look for ways to manifest the same painful outcome.

No thanks. Don't want no part of that nonsense.

KatieCoolady will be here with wonderful positive words of all she witnessed today. And she'll be comfy (and bra-less) to boot. As she should be!

We can join her in that powerful positive place of witnessing justice in the making or marinate in fear and gloom. I know where I'm going to spend my time (and her time). I know the truth of this case and I know and believe the outcome will be the right one.

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[AZWatcher]

Looking forward to today's report from KCL when she gets de-bra'd! LOL.

However, in the meantime, why is it that no matter how many times and no matter how many ways KatieCoolady assures posters that the jury does not believe JA's lies, that she is witnessing them be turned off of JA, and all the other juicy stuff...why is it that posters either don't believe KCL or despite being reassured day after day remain terrified and fearful? If that's the sentiment then it's time to turn off the trial and leave it all behind.

Mr. Juan and company are not worried. They're not fearful. They're not predicting failure. And they know more (much more) than we do.

Funny (in a sad and ironic way) that the 'Law of Attraction' is part of this case. Because all the negativity, fear, prediction of doom 'n gloom basically is saying to the universe, "Dear Universe, please create more evil and please let this particular murderer get away with the crime and be freed because that's my exact fear and that's what I'm thinking about and concentrating on and putting my energy into every day. Fear, evil, murder, doom. More of that please. Much, much more!"

Two words: Casey Anthony.

 

[MeeBee]

Oh, one more thing, regarding why I don't trust that she will be found guilty, even with strong (eyewitness) evidence that the jury is against her... I tend not to trust what I can't see with my own eyes. I know from experience that people tend to project the way that they feel onto others. I'm not saying that anyone here has done that, mind you, but I just prefer to judge for myself. It's more of a trust thing. If it's someone that I know see things similarly to me, I then have a much easier time trusting their observations are in line with my own. If that makes sense?

I do greatly enjoy reading others observations, though, so that's why this thread is so fun.

This is my fear as well. There are two jurors that HEARING about them worries me, but the eye witnesses are not. But I am worried about that projection. Projecting what they want and hope they are feeling. Most of the jury clearly is over her...but these one or two...IDK.

 

[strawberry]

Katiecoo's green (logged in) dot beside her name is taunting me...waiting with baited breath

I've been here for years and didn't know a green dot means logged in! :floorlaugh:

 

[AngelWings444]

Looking forward to today's report from KCL when she gets de-bra'd! LOL.

However, in the meantime, why is it that no matter how many times and no matter how many ways KatieCoolady assures posters that the jury does not believe JA's lies, that she is witnessing them be turned off of JA, and all the other juicy stuff...why is it that posters either don't believe KCL or despite being reassured day after day remain terrified and fearful? If that's the sentiment then it's time to turn off the trial and leave it all behind.

Mr. Juan and company are not worried. They're not fearful. They're not predicting failure. And they know more (much more) than we do.

Funny (in a sad and ironic way) that the 'Law of Attraction' is part of this case. Because all the negativity, fear, prediction of doom 'n gloom basically is saying to the universe, "Dear Universe, please create more evil and please let this particular murderer get away with the crime and be freed because that's my exact fear and that's what I'm thinking about and concentrating on and putting my energy into every day. Fear, evil, murder, doom. More of that please. Much, much more!"

I want justice for Travis, his friends and family. We DO NOT know what goes on in the minds of the jury. One individual, can throw an entire case in the toilet. I don't think "fear" is the correct word, nor do I think people should be told to turn off the trial because they aren't 1000000% confident until a verdict is read.

I DO believe KCL, but until the words GUILTY are read, I will be curious about the reactions of all involved, at the courthouse.

If we go by your theory that a guilty verdict is a guarantee, why watch at all?

Sorry for the O/T, can't wait to read Katie's notes. Thanks PASA for trying to get in today. Wish they would have let you in, don't they know you are a WS member and deserve priority?

 

[LambChop]

And no matter how many hundreds of times people (including verified legal experts) explain the differences in the cases, the refusal to let the C.A. case go and the refusal to understand just how different, truly different, cases are from each other, it's like there is a mass effort to make the outcome the same again ("Law of Attraction" at work).

They are not the same case. People were terrified during the Drew Peterson case. How did that turn out?

If there's a refusal to let.it.go then all that's left is the energy to continue reliving the CA case overAndoverAndover again. How that benefits anyone I don't know, but it has nothing to do with this case. It's like a mass sickness and paranoia. Very sad and dysfunctional.

<mod snip>

Juan is going to win this case. Juan is a winner. Look at his record. Look at the evidence in THIS case.

Many of us have not had the experience with the court system and therefore are nervous not knowing what to expect. Not seeing how JM carefully laid out his rebuttal by setting Jodi up with questions he already knows the answers to. Some feel he left too many loose ends hanging. JM has not gotten to his "Let me step back a bit." lol I love the way he works and I can't wait for rebuttal because I know he will not disappoint us or the family. Then everyone will be saying they knew he was such a great prosecutor. Mark my words......wait, where did I hear that phrase?????

I've worked for many attorneys in my time. Some you love and some you......well, let's just say you wish you never met them. jmo

 

[Hopeful One]

Hahahahhaaaa! I think that's what most women do the second we get in the house. Ay least I do!

 

[G&AMom]

I'm headed home now- let me grab a glass de vino and de-bra myself and I'm I
In

Don't forget to unbutton it! :floorlaugh:

 

[PASA]

thank you for trying! did you get any sense from the ppl coming and going?? it seemed there was a lot of snickering and head shaking in the gallery today

Not so much snickering, but no one is buying what ja is selling.
I've not come across anyone (other than Bryan Carr) who thinks she
is innocent.

We all sit and discuss the case while waiting to get in, or not. LOL!

 

[AZWatcher]

the thing that makes me the most nervous about today...juror ?, is it possible TA was inspecting the camera to put him so far behind chasing you(paraphrasing). Which one and why would one give her any validation or excuse why she was able to get so far ahead of him in the alleged chase?(which I dont believe ever happened)

I felt a jolt too. I was afraid it was the juror possibly offering up a reason for what was otherwise implausible.

 

[Turnadot]

Looking forward to today's report from KCL when she gets de-bra'd! LOL.

However, in the meantime, why is it that no matter how many times and no matter how many ways KatieCoolady assures posters that the jury does not believe JA's lies, that she is witnessing them be turned off of JA, and all the other juicy stuff...why is it that posters either don't believe KCL or despite being reassured day after day remain terrified and fearful? If that's the sentiment then it's time to turn off the trial and leave it all behind.

Mr. Juan and company are not worried. They're not fearful. They're not predicting failure. And they know more (much more) than we do.

Funny (in a sad and ironic way) that the 'Law of Attraction' is part of this case. Because all the negativity, fear, prediction of doom 'n gloom basically is saying to the universe, "Dear Universe, please create more evil and please let this particular murderer get away with the crime and be freed because that's my exact fear and that's what I'm thinking about and concentrating on and putting my energy into every day. Fear, evil, murder, doom. More of that please. Much, much more!"

Because "jury reading" is not a reliable indicator of verdict.

The jury Q&A was very revealing though as to verdict.

And I don't think there is "all this negativity and doom and gloom" and "more of that please" How absurd. It's just that people want justice for Travis and this isn't just a sleuthing board; it's also a place to share fears and hopes of the outcome. And yes, doom and gloom when we're feeling low.

Thank God (and Trish) we can share those thoughts here.

IMO