Abaroa's Second Wife Speaks Out

[NCBanker]

Thank you for your post NCBanker, and especially for clarifying the ex-communication cloudiness...that's very valuable information

Glad I could be useful somewhere! Please don't hesitate to ask for more clarification if you have more questions about this or anything else relative to the Church.

 

[terminatrixator]

Thanks for the information, NCBanker. =)

I have had the long well thought out post disappear into oblivion in the past and end up too frustrated to re-post before. Then again I've also had posts that probably should probably have never been made lol.

What do you believe the Bishop, Church leader or councils stance is on Murder? I've done a lot of research on it, and I've been informed and the information I found is the stance is to go authorities, as it is not like an attorney/client privilege. I would appreciate your thought on the subject.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Jersey, it still grates on my nerves every single time I hear him talk about the polygraph. He says something like You don't need a polygraph from me, you may think you do, but you don't need one from me.

I totally agree with you, T. He's clearly stating that they don't need one from him because it won't show any deceit. So then prove it once and for all already.

He's so damned smug, it's nauseating.

 

[BirdHunter]

All of my fellow posters, please note my name change. It's still me, JG, but since another Jersey Girl showed up, I had to ask for the change to avoid continued confusion. Just want to make sure there's no confusion when reading my recent posts here.

In my opinion there is only 1 JerseyGirl and you are it!

 

[NCBanker]

Thanks for the information, NCBanker. =)

I have had the long well thought out post disappear into oblivion in the past and end up too frustrated to re-post before. Then again I've also had posts that probably should probably have never been made lol.

What do you believe the Bishop, Church leader or councils stance is on Murder? I've done a lot of research on it, and I've been informed and the information I found is the stance is to go authorities, as it is not like an attorney/client privilege. I would appreciate your thought on the subject.

This was one of the thoughts I had originally typed out, that I forgot to include in my repost! ANY crime against mankind, i.e. rape, incest, child abuse, murder, etc. is treated with the utmost care, and Church leaders are required to report such crimes to law enforcement. In fact, the Church has a special 800 number for Bishops to call when they encounter such crimes. The Church handles these issues with the most extreme concern and immediate action.

Raven wasn't excommunicated for murder. He'd be behind bars right now if that were the case.

 

[terminatrixator]

This was one of the thoughts I had originally typed out, that I forgot to include in my repost! ANY crime against mankind, i.e. rape, incest, child abuse, murder, etc. is treated with the utmost care, and Church leaders are required to report such crimes to law enforcement. In fact, the Church has a special 800 number for Bishops to call when they encounter such crimes. The Church handles these issues with the most extreme concern and immediate action.

Raven wasn't excommunicated for murder. He'd be behind bars right now if that were the case.

That's the conclusion I had been given over and over again. Thank you so much this was an important question answered for many of us!

 

[lauriej]

In my opinion there is only 1 JerseyGirl and you are it!

..i 2nd that------i'd know "your style" anytime jersey.........

..additionally-------having not been on WS for a bit------WOW!

..i have to read it all , i'm thrilled, shocked, excited!

..so very proud of vanessa......!

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

In my opinion there is only 1 JerseyGirl and you are it!

Thanks BH & Lauriej. I'm not used to this OriginalJerseyGirl business at all but what can you do? I hope that the new name grows on me over time!

On another note, I came across Vanessa's poem again earlier today and it reminded me all over again of how much she must have been through. She's been through so much more than most of us will ever have to go through. Poor girl. She's so much stronger than I gave her credit for.

 

[terminatrixator]

JG you are definitely an original and truly Janet's forum is a much better place with you in it.

I made a post last night and it got deleted and I had a lot of exact quotes and I failed epically when I x'd out Firefox accidentally, and lost the post. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to recreate it, so I'll put the major points below and will come back when the rest returns to me.

 

[terminatrixator]

The two paragraphs below keep coming back to me.

Vanessa:

People Raven considered to be close friends told Vanessa they are scared of him. He would often try to convince Vanessa that she was suicidal, that her behavior was erratic, that everything was her fault, she recalled.

And he was controlling. Vanessa said he monitored her computer use, checked her phone, always knew what she was doing and who she was calling.

I definitely think these have to be a wake up call to all women out there. These NEED to be a wake up call to those that are now in Raven’s life, men and women alike. There are those that know Raven well that read here and yeah I know he’s done and said everything he can to put the failed relationship squarely on V’s shoulders, but look back at how many FAILED relationships he’s had in his life. Look at the failed relationships since he showed back up in Utah immediately following Janet’s murder! How many women have been in and out of his life? How many of these women has he used? How many of them has he had a different personality with and then the real Raven shows up? He has dated so many young girls, women his age and even older women, I can’t even begin to count anymore. Most have been to get something from them he needed, whether it was money, stability, a built-in babysitter, hand-outs, or to make him look like he’s normal. He’s not. He has had several relationships while married to Janet. Below is a statement about how many relationships he had PRIOR to Janet (ah huh he met Janet at 18!)

Raven

that’s a huge thing for someone to sit there and, and I know because I’ve you know, dated lot’s of people and it’s , it’s, I don’t think anyone’s listened to me the way that Janet listens to me and it

He not only has problems with relationships with women, but with men and guy fiends. Even his guy friends eventually have to walk away from him. He states himself he has to reinvent himself so much. Go back to "If I were a Bird" and reread it. Why does one have to reinvent themselves so much? Why does he seem to roam group to group. He seriously has a quick turnover when it comes to friendships and relationships? Why is that? Do people start realizing he is narcissistic, a user, demanding, a fraud, a conniver, a thief and IMO a MURDERER!


I find it amusing that in his NC Wanted video he talks about Janet and brings up Trust. One of the most untrustworthy men I know.

Here’s the transcribed part and Raven’s exact words (bear in mind he states this is what he thought about her and why he liked Janet when he was only 18 years old )

Raven

“whenever you, you meet someone who, I don’t know, you don’t know if you can trust them type of thing well with Janet there was an immediate trust. Like I knew that she was sincere when she said she was interested in me or she wanted to go out and I, and I felt like you know, I, I, I could just trust everything in her I could tell her anything and I wasn’t afraid that she was go you know, tellin’ the whole world about you know, me. And so that was, that was a big big thing was trust.”

HE HAS HAD RELATIONSHIP PROBLEMS HIS WHOLE LIFE.

How many 18 years old have so much to worry about when it comes to trust? Is this a complaint because of the publicity here on WS or is it the fact that he got into a lot of issues before the age of 18. I really find that a guy at the age of 18 that has that many issues and worry about trust is someone that shouldn’t be trusted.

I have heard the NC Wanted Video with Vanessa Pond has more to come and I’m surprised it’s taking so long to come out and I’m really interested in seeing the rest of it. I am really hoping she divorces him soon, and she can move on with her and her daughter's life.

In the meantime, I hear the Pness is enjoying all his new tattoos, and he’s hanging out at bars and he’s got girls and women he's dating and he’s enjoying the night life. He’s back at home living with Mommy and Jim Bolton, which is probably for the best for Kaiden.

I can’t believe we are over 4 years right now. What is the DA’s office in NC doing? They need to read everything here; I really would love to spend 20 minutes with them to find out why they haven’t proceeded yet with this case. I’m not a lawyer, but really feel I can make a compelling case in front of a jury.

In the meantime to you Rave, if you want to hook up and perhaps fly out to Durham, NC with me, I’ll meet you; I’ll pay your way and you can take a polygraph and then try to convince me that you are so misunderstood and tell me how wrong I am about you, as long as you don't mind that I won't be able to keep a straight face. I’m up for it. I’m not wrong about you buddy, and your friends know I’m not wrong, and your family knows I’m not wrong.

I really do not believe the next girl is going to get away safely. Raven is the Person of Interest in the Murder of Janet Marie It's sad, so many past friends, relationships out there and nobody is going to feel safe or truly free from fear until he's locked away where he belongs. :behindbar

 

[SeekingJana]

Dear Vanessa Pond,
It took courage and strength of character to speak out against such a manipulative and deadly deceitful person as Raven Samuel Peters Abaroa.

I am so sorry that you had to find out what Raven really is like by living with him and seeing his hurtful demeanor and his physical threats against you and possibly your daughter.
That part of your life is over now. Close the door on it, having learned lessons from it, and hopefully from the post on your guestbook which said " Google him".. Those of us who tried very hard to get a message to you did so in the hopes that you would see what we know before it was too late. " Too late" didin't come, dear lady. You are alive and your daughter is alive, and there are no babies in Raven's way. You did the right things, even when the choices must have seemed heartbreaking.

I hope you and he have severed all ties, and that he doesn't hold any grudges against you. If you think he does, please go to your family, then to your church Bishop, or the president of your Relief Society and see what can be done about relocating you and your child to another part of the country for the sake of your life and your child's. I know there are all kinds of assistance available to members to live with a family far away from the trouble. Do what you need to do to stay safe and for your daughter to stay safe and happy. Janet had everything she thought she needed for a happy future. She was denied that chance, you cannot be, because you saw the truth before he killed you. Just don't ever give him a foot hold in your door again. He seems like a vengeful person, and I suspect he is backed up in that by his family members. I know you were close to them. I hope you have been able to sever all ties without extreme anger or resentment on their sides.

I hope life brings you many, many joys in the form of the family you want to have someday with the man of your heart. I hope that God lives in your heart and that you turn to Him for strength when all of this weighs heavily on you.

When things, ANYTHING in life, get tough, remember this- YOU survived Raven. No matter what might come in the way of a temporary setback like we all have in life, just think " I survived Raven, so I can survive ANYTHING". I know this is true.

God bless you and keep you safe always, Vanessa. One day, you WILL look back on this with only relief, not pain. Time heals the wounds.. You trusted a man who has the ability to go out of his way to separate a woman from her family, to charm her with superficial things, and false promises. He is not normal, so how could you judge what he offered you against anything else you had known previously? You are not to blame for one thing that happened.
Thank you for Googling him. Some of us tried very hard to get messages to you through your online bridal registry and so forth because we were so worried about you and your life, and your daughter's life, and that of any children you and the Bird might have borne together. I know it was not exactly a classy move, but I don't regret what I did because I did it only for you.

You matter to us, Vanessa, and I hope so much that one day you will post with us, that you will see that we want justice and we want Raven to pay for what he has done with all our hearts. Just like you probably do too.

Since we believe his life has taken turns for the worse, not the better after Janet's murder, it would be very enlightening to know the day to day things he did.. Whether you believed he was a happy soul, or somewhat bothered at all. I have always thought that the combination of the money embezzling combined with Janet's new pregnancy was what sent Raven into the depths of murder. Did he ever speak of their dead baby which was killed with Janet? Did he ever talk to you about future children?
Anything which you can share with us, even if you call yourself " Kate Spade" will make a difference in our vast break in knowledge of Raven after the last online videos he smirked and lied through. The knife video, the photos with his SUV, his motorcycles, his toys.. And the soccer lies. So many boastful lies, when Janet was always the soccer star in the family. His theft of her successes in college by his lies of his own talents in soccer were emotional ploys at her expense.

Did he try to take part of your identity for himself too, like he did Janet's soccer accolades? I've often wondered how quickly he starts taking the emotional life away from someone who loves him.

I wish you a very happy life, now and in the future you plan and carry out for yourself and your daughter. Like I said, nothing worse than Raven can ever happen to you. Remember this, and take comfort in it. God protected your and your daughter's lives. And you chose to Google.
I hope so much you are strong enough to read here.. We all care about you.

Thank you,
:blowkiss:
Maria

 

[SeekingJana]

We know that certain calendar dates seem to be especially important to The Bird-- Remember his " Franklin Covey" talk he had about organizing his life, his day planner type of posting he did on his blog with sort of a timeline effect to them in the weeks and days before Janet was murdered??

It just now hit me that Sept. 6th, his wedding anniversary to Vanessa, is rapidly approaching.
I worry a lot about Vanessa Pond.

I hope Vanessa stays close to her ex- policeman father, and her caring mother. They both seemed like very nice people in the video, and they seemed to understand how bad Raven is. I hope that Vanessa gets a quick and relatively painless divorce from him.

Note to Vanessa Pond-- If you haven't already gotten a divorce from Raven-- PLEASE do not ask Raven for a thing in the divorce. Not a vehichle most of all, and not even a penny. He will steal for money, and he will kill if you seem " inconvenient" to him.
Please don't take even the wedding gifts if he wants them. There is NOTHING he has or ever will have that could matter in the long run at all. Cars, trucks, SUVs, motorcycles, those are his big status symbols. He covets his vehicles. Don't try to take one from him, please.

Stay safe, Vanessa, and get the best attorney you can to get a divorce. No fault divorce, all ties severed forever.
Again, we care about you here. You came across in the video as a beautiful lady, strong, articulate. You seem like someone who was hurt. I understand that there is a thin line between hurt and anger. Keep on keeping on, but choose your battles wisely. One cannot win a thing against a thieving, practiced con man and psychopath like Raven. Give up any " thing" he might covet, and remember that you can always replace the thing with another, better thing later on.

We have seen MANY women who tried to get what they thought they were owed in child support or a divorce settlement end up dead.
A narcissistic psychopath like Raven has NO ability to think about you as a PERSON. You and everyone else are just interacting with him on his level as he sees it.. People move in his life, and out of his life.. He uses and he discards and he moves on. He will always do this. His personality was formed when he was a very young child and it cannot be changed now.

Don't fight him over any material possession or money. MONEY is his Hot Button.
We know quite a lot about his early childhood thanks to what he wrote himself about poverty and extreme deprivation, and his own warped way of looking at it. He might have been lying about most of it, but the important thing is that this is what he believed to be true. HIS truth. He remembered how much was spent on him for new clothes and how much hand me down clothes he got for one specific school year when he was quite young. He remembers things which a normal adult would not remember about their childhood. And ALL of it had to do with neglect, as he perceived it, from his mother, and most had to do with money and material things.

As you have probably read, if a boy doesn't respect and love his mother, then when he is a man, he will not love and respect women who are his peer group.
When I was LDS, I had a female LDS attorney. It worked very well for me. She was a strong advocate of " getting out", too, just like I am talking to you about you getting totally away from Raven forever.

**If the divorce is already final and this was somehow not posted here, or I overlooked it, forgive me.. Maybe the next woman who Googles " Raven Abaroa" will find something helpful, too. ***

My prayers and best wishes,
:blowkiss:
Maria