Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #175

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  • #561
A part of the Franks I particularly struggle with is that the investigation found BH had an alibi which means he cannot be Bridge Guy, unless you speculate into existence theories based on no evidence about how somehow he wasn't at work and someone else swiped in for him. Furthermore zero evidence connects him to the murders. So in what world can this guy be described as a suspect?


Thank you for that.

Just my opinion:

People need to realize that LH was just a kid and that he grieved deeply. It's probable that AW was his first "love".

BH has some beliefs that are strange to most of us and may have some questionable past moments, but he loves his kids and tried to support LH the best he could, I imagine .

AFAIK, BH was quickly ruled out and never officially a suspect.
 
  • #562
A part of the Franks I particularly struggle with is that the investigation found BH had an alibi which means he cannot be Bridge Guy, unless you speculate into existence theories based on no evidence about how somehow he wasn't at work and someone else swiped in for him. Furthermore zero evidence connects him to the murders. So in what world can this guy be described as a suspect?
Right? Even if someone swiped him in and out, once they knew he might be considered of interest to a murder investigation, surely they'd be calling LE and screaming about how they swiped him in or out of work??

Police could also have done an extra step that maybe we're unaware of - such as ask people at work if anyone saw him that day?
 
  • #563
Is anyone else waiting for the next accidental leak?

I can't help but think that between now and the March 18th some new theories and or information will end up in the public domain.


JMO :rolleyes:

Whenever it looks like B and R are going to get a paddling for their bad behavior and called out for it, there suddenly appears yet another drama-filled, misleading, speculation filled filing from the defense, diverting attention elsewhere.
 
  • #564
What bothers me about the unspent round is how it is described as being "buried in the ground," and "taken out of the ground," and other such descriptions that make it sound like it wasn't just laying there, but perhaps at least partially sunk into the dirt. Obviously, we don't have access to the photo of it on the ground to see for ourselves.

Was the ground there really soft where somebody stepping on a bullet would sink it? It's just an odd detail I'd like to know more about.
I looked up historical rain and weather for that area. It rained a little 2/11 and 2/12, but nothing for the 13th or 14th. It's possible the ground was softer in that area. I know it was a little hilly.. so perhaps that location was a flatter area in a location that had some hills.. that would cause water to settle in the dips or flat areas. I'd say even the ground being soft could allow for a bullet to be stepped on and pushed down just a little bit and not be laying on top of the grass or leaves or whatever was there. Since it's very wooded, I am thinking there were likely dead leaves and things also on the ground. Unless that bullet fell out exactly as he was exiting the area, I think it's reasonably likely RA stepped on it or otherwise pushed it down when he was doing whatever he was doing with the girls :( It wouldn't take much in my opinion to "push" it down enough that when LE went to remove it, they noted it was in the ground or taken out of the ground. To me that just means it was not laying on top of the leaves or other debris that was on the ground.
A part of the Franks I particularly struggle with is that the investigation found BH had an alibi which means he cannot be Bridge Guy, unless you speculate into existence theories based on no evidence about how somehow he wasn't at work and someone else swiped in for him. Furthermore zero evidence connects him to the murders. So in what world can this guy be described as a suspect?
In the defense world apparently. :confused:

I think this guy was tipped in and they looked at him.. if someone has an alibi, they have an alibi.. can't make them be BG if they physically can't possibly be in that location at that time and we know the window for the time they were dropped off, abducted, and left is VERY small so in this case it would easier to rule people out or in based on if they were in a location they could not possibly get to the bridge and do that all was done in the time it happened in and then get back to somewhere else. Example: if he was an hour away, 30 minutes before the video was taken.. can't be him, if he was at work clocked in and with coworkers all day.. can't be him, etc. I don't know where he was or what LE had to exclude him, but that early on if there was any possibility it was him, why would they not follow up on it? I think it just makes a good story so the defense runs with these things. Because they looked into the Odin theory early on and this guy was known to be involved in that also, it is just a distraction and the defense can say whatever theory they want, does not mean it is true. They can look at photos of the scene and try to make it fit Odin symbols and anything else they want to.. it's legal for them to come up with whatever theory they want, but I don't believe it.
 
  • #565
Well, we can disagree and still have great respect for the posts made by one another! :)
This has been such a tough case and so divisive!
Let's all take a virtual trip for a few minutes and go to Kokomo

Beach Boys ... Aruba, Jamaica...
 
  • #566
From the Defense Motion To Dismiss For Destroying Exculpatory Evidence:
Ok, they're really going with this then - I wonder what their "significant evidence" is??? Is it JUST what was in their FM? Or was there something more we just don't know yet?

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  • #568
This has been such a tough case and so divisive!
Let's all take a virtual trip for a few minutes and go to Kokomo

Beach Boys ... Aruba, Jamaica...
I think no matter who did it, the crime is just so senseless. There is no motive or reason that someone could have to make murdering 2 teenager girls okay. They posed no threat to whoever did this, it wasn't self defense, they were not wrapped up in something nefarious, they just went for a walk on a nice day off from school. It's terrifying that people exist that could harm truly innocent young girls for no reason. It's all just so senseless. :( 2 families destroyed, a community living in fear for years, and there is just no good reason or why.
 
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I just wanted to double check why he was suddenly having a break down.
Well, it may not have been sudden - we haven't heard anything really about his mental health from the years before his arrest except the one time the police attended his home and his wife ended up taking him to the hospital. He could have a history of breakdowns... who knows?
 
  • #571
From the Defense Motion To Dismiss For Destroying Exculpatory Evidence:
Ok, they're really going with this then - I wonder what their "significant evidence" is??? Is it JUST what was in their FM? Or was there something more we just don't know yet?

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Before long, everyone is going to grow bored with this game from Defense. Instead of excitement and endless dissecting of the latest Motion or press statement, it will just become a boring routine to tolerate until the trial begins. The information and evidence that will prove or disprove these defense claims will be made public then.
 
  • #572
Well, it may not have been sudden - we haven't heard anything really about his mental health from the years before his arrest except the one time the police attended his home and his wife ended up taking him to the hospital. He could have a history of breakdowns... who knows?

Well he recovered remarkably Quickly when he realised it wasn’t going to work which makes it all seem like it was a Act.

He had a medical examination and it was deemed he needed no medication or to be moved (if I remember correctly)

Moooooo
 
  • #573
I just wanted to double check why he was suddenly having a break down.
I believe it was the first time RA saw in black and white exactly what the State's Evidence was. IMO
 
  • #574
This has been such a tough case and so divisive!
Let's all take a virtual trip for a few minutes and go to Kokomo

Beach Boys ... Aruba, Jamaica...
That's where I've been this afternoon FG. We've been here far too long posting and wondering to let our emotions overtake us, we all want the same thing - Justice 4 Abby & Libby I have no doubt.
 
  • #575
I looked up historical rain and weather for that area. It rained a little 2/11 and 2/12, but nothing for the 13th or 14th. It's possible the ground was softer in that area. I know it was a little hilly.. so perhaps that location was a flatter area in a location that had some hills.. that would cause water to settle in the dips or flat areas. I'd say even the ground being soft could allow for a bullet to be stepped on and pushed down just a little bit and not be laying on top of the grass or leaves or whatever was there. Since it's very wooded, I am thinking there were likely dead leaves and things also on the ground. Unless that bullet fell out exactly as he was exiting the area, I think it's reasonably likely RA stepped on it or otherwise pushed it down when he was doing whatever he was doing with the girls :( It wouldn't take much in my opinion to "push" it down enough that when LE went to remove it, they noted it was in the ground or taken out of the ground. To me that just means it was not laying on top of the leaves or other debris that was on the ground.

In the defense world apparently. :confused:

I think this guy was tipped in and they looked at him.. if someone has an alibi, they have an alibi.. can't make them be BG if they physically can't possibly be in that location at that time and we know the window for the time they were dropped off, abducted, and left is VERY small so in this case it would easier to rule people out or in based on if they were in a location they could not possibly get to the bridge and do that all was done in the time it happened in and then get back to somewhere else. Example: if he was an hour away, 30 minutes before the video was taken.. can't be him, if he was at work clocked in and with coworkers all day.. can't be him, etc. I don't know where he was or what LE had to exclude him, but that early on if there was any possibility it was him, why would they not follow up on it? I think it just makes a good story so the defense runs with these things. Because they looked into the Odin theory early on and this guy was known to be involved in that also, it is just a distraction and the defense can say whatever theory they want, does not mean it is true. They can look at photos of the scene and try to make it fit Odin symbols and anything else they want to.. it's legal for them to come up with whatever theory they want, but I don't believe it.

Personally I think the defence case will actually be that some of the law enforcement officers remain convinced of the Odinist theory and that equals reasonable doubt, because of a failed investigation. i.e SODDI. Some other dude did it, and we don't know who.

I don't think they will focus so much on trying to prove specific guys did it unless they have some real evidence that links. They don't have the goods for TODDI imo. i.e. they can't really show some particular guy is a real suspect as far as I can tell so far.
 
  • #576
Personally I think the defence case will actually be that some of the law enforcement officers remain convinced of the Odinist theory and that equals reasonable doubt, because of a failed investigation. i.e SODDI. Some other dude did it, and we don't know who.

I don't think they will focus so much on trying to prove specific guys did it unless they have some real evidence that links. They don't have the goods for TODDI imo. i.e. they can't really show some particular guy is a real suspect as far as I can tell so far.
They are all just like us and you see how many different things we all think just on this one thread on one message board. I think it's possible that each LEO involved isn't privy to the entire case and all the evidence that is collected. How many of the officers involved can possibly have access to everything in the case file? I honestly don't know, but I cant imagine it is every officer has access to all of it or we would likely see more leaks over the last years before an arrest was made. So the officers that think there is some other angle like the Odinist theory just might not have all the evidence and data to see the full picture. It's possible they do have it all and still think that is what is going on.. it's possible RA had some Odin link or interest and attempted to stage something. I think we will (hopefully) learn more at trial.

The arrest warrant isn't the place to list out every detail so we only got the minimum there and the defense has a motive to push out all these other ideas because they want to influence the public and create doubt any way they can. So what we have is limited info from the state and sensational info from the defense.
 
  • #577
Am I misremembering that the bullet was found under one of the girls?
 
  • #578
Am I misremembering that the bullet was found under one of the girls?


I think so. My memory says it was between the 2 girls.
 
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  • #580
They are all just like us and you see how many different things we all think just on this one thread on one message board. I think it's possible that each LEO involved isn't privy to the entire case and all the evidence that is collected. How many of the officers involved can possibly have access to everything in the case file? I honestly don't know, but I cant imagine it is every officer has access to all of it or we would likely see more leaks over the last years before an arrest was made. So the officers that think there is some other angle like the Odinist theory just might not have all the evidence and data to see the full picture. It's possible they do have it all and still think that is what is going on.. it's possible RA had some Odin link or interest and attempted to stage something. I think we will (hopefully) learn more at trial.

The arrest warrant isn't the place to list out every detail so we only got the minimum there and the defense has a motive to push out all these other ideas because they want to influence the public and create doubt any way they can. So what we have is limited info from the state and sensational info from the defense.
But the folks who wrote the Odinist report were the FBI task force, who was still on the case as of July 2021 (which is also the same month one of its members was killed). I don’t know … I just really don’t think the FBI then walked away from this and said, “ok, Nevermind - all yours now.”
 
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