Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #175

[Salah11]

I think so. My memory says it was between the 2 girls.

Thank you

So the odds on it just being a random bullet are very unlikely so then if RA had the same bullets for his Gun that’s another link between them.

No wonder the Defense what’s it thrown out.. IMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

... I found this in the FM (summarized here). A man by the name of RB knew nothing of the crime scene, somehow saw some images on BH's fb of concern and contacted LE in April 2017. YOu can find it here around page 12-13-14. By the time he contacted LE, he was told BH wasn't a suspect and then the man contacted some other LE and sent photos etc to the police. The D had not received these at the time of the filing of the FM....

https://www.scribd.com/document/672126677/DELPHI-Memorandum-in-Support-of-Motion-pdf

So we know they had "cleared" BH by the time RB called police on April 12, 2017. I'd like to know so much more about the investigation into these guys! The FM also says BH was never a suspect.

If BH had a solid, ironclad alibi, he would have been summarily excluded as a suspect.

 

[steeltowngirl]

It is just sort of amazing that Richard Allen thought that if he went to talk to the conservation officer that no one would investigate him for 5 years or if he said he left at 3:30pm instead of 4 pm no one would think he was the person walking along 300 N after the crime.

It is odd. I have wondered if it was a form of inserting himself into the investigation.

It will be interesting to find out if he ever called back in, or maybe contacted a buddy in LE to see how things were going with the investigation. “You want to know what we know.”

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Several weeks later, according to Barbara MacDonald
near the 11mm

Sure makes me wonder how they knew they collected the right sticks. Those sticks were a big part of that crime scene JMO. I wonder who made the decision to just dismiss them? Shoddy work IMO. After weeks of just laying out in the elements any possible DNA would be zilch except for wildlifes maybe.

 

[photographer4]

It is odd. I have wondered if it was a form of inserting himself into the investigation.

It will be interesting to find out if he ever called back in, or maybe contacted a buddy in LE to see how things were going with the investigation. “You want to know what we know.”

Have wondered what made them make that remark. Had assumed it was just something the average killer would want - to know what police know. But maybe there’s more to it? Maybe he did phone a friend. Or maybe someone taunted LE?

 

[photographer4]

Sure makes me wonder how they knew they collected the right sticks. Those sticks were a big part of that crime scene JMO. I wonder who made the decision to just dismiss them? Shoddy work IMO. After weeks of just laying out in the elements any possible DNA would be zilch except for wildlifes maybe.

Anyone who has seen CSI or even Law & Order would have known to bag and tag anything that had come into contact with either victim! So why didn’t they? And if what we read in the FM is accurate regarding the CS and how the kids were found then how did searchers not know what they had stumbled upon when they found the kids? That makes zero sense.

it sounds like it was obvious that there was foul play! And I wonder, will those who found the kids be called as witnesses as to what they found and how? I know someone found them via his phone cam when he saw a deer and then spotted the kids. But didn’t actual searchers also approach and find them before LE?

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I have been overly busy with work and real life, so please excuse my ignorance but I just can't recall whether it was ever said what weapon was used in these senseless murders of two beautiful young ladies Abby and Libby. I have a sincere reason for asking,

 

[Gemmie]

I have been overly busy with work and real life, so please excuse my ignorance but I just can't recall whether it was ever said what weapon was used in these senseless murders of two beautiful young ladies Abby and Libby. I have a sincere reason for asking,

I'm thinking a knife due to what's said on Pgs 28 & 29 & of the Memorandum:



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I apologize this posted before I was ready. It does that sometimes when I'm pasting.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Anyone who has seen CSI or even Law & Order would have known to bag and tag anything that had come into contact with either victim! So why didn’t they? And if what we read in the FM is accurate regarding the CS and how the kids were found then how did searchers not know what they had stumbled upon when they found the kids? That makes zero sense.

it sounds like it was obvious that there was foul play! And I wonder, will those who found the kids be called as witnesses as to what they found and how? I know someone found them via his phone cam when he saw a deer and then spotted the kids. But didn’t actual searchers also approach and find them before LE?

It is strange and weird that someone with authority didn't call the shots to make sure the twigs or branches were marked and collected. Certainly they took crime scene photos before removing them from the girls. Or, maybe not.

Wasn't it a relative of Abby's that spotted them? Surely they will be witnesses I hope,

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I'm thinking a knife due to what's said on Pgs 48 of the Memorandum:

I do remember the wording "sharp instrument" being said but that is a pretty broad area to choose from. TY for your help.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I'm thinking a knife due to what's said on Pgs 28 & 29 & of the Memorandum:

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I apologize this posted before I was ready. It does that sometimes when I'm pasting.

No problem. TY. I wonder what the "V" was in reference to? Surely it indicated some meaning or reference/ MOO

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Have a good weekend E1, stay safe and be kind to one another.

 

[mrjitty]

If BH had a solid, ironclad alibi, he would have been summarily excluded as a suspect.

I'm kind of fascinated how this would be handled at trial. Like I kind of doubt the Judge is going to allow some lengthy trawl through facebook posts as evidence.

 

[mrjitty]

But the folks who wrote the Odinist report were the FBI task force, who was still on the case as of July 2021 (which is also the same month one of its members was killed). I don’t know … I just really don’t think the FBI then walked away from this and said, “ok, Nevermind - all yours now.”

What's interesting is that the profile they developed is not of course evidence against anyone. It's just an investigative tool that can give you insights where to look.

I do agree that the defence will look to exploit these inter-agency differences. But I also think it's a logical fallacy that the presence of occult staging (if proven) means that the offender is more likely the guy who posts occult stuff on facebook

 

[FromGermany1]

It appears that it was tipped in (Pgs 62/63 of Memorandum).

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Father of .................. ex-boyfriend of LIBBY??? I thought, it was Abby's boyfriend/ex boyfriend.

 

[iamshadow21]

Father of .................. ex-boyfriend of LIBBY??? I thought, it was Abby's boyfriend/ex boyfriend.

If that's the Franks Motion, whoever wrote it mixed the girls up more than once.

MOO

 

[zh0r4]

What bothers me about the unspent round is how it is described as being "buried in the ground," and "taken out of the ground," and other such descriptions that make it sound like it wasn't just laying there, but perhaps at least partially sunk into the dirt. Obviously, we don't have access to the photo of it on the ground to see for ourselves.

Was the ground there really soft where somebody stepping on a bullet would sink it? It's just an odd detail I'd like to know more about.

Also wasn’t it months before the unspent cartridge was recovered?

 

[zh0r4]

But how common is the gun that uses that specific type of bullet? EG: could this have come from a searcher's gun or from LE at the scene? Or from some time before the kids were ever there? Serious question as I know nothing about guns. How accurate is the science behind sorting out which gun it was from?

.40 Caliber (.40 S&W) ammo is common and used in numerous different guns.

SYNONYMS

• .40 caliber
• .40 Auto
• 10×22 mm
• 10 mm Kurz (A moniker based on the .40 S&W being a "shorter version" of the 10 mm Auto, similar to how the .380 ACP (also known as 9 mm short or 9 mm Kurz) is shorter and lower powered but in caliber similar to the 9mm Parabellum)

Source:

.40 S&W - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[zh0r4]

But the folks who wrote the Odinist report were the FBI task force, who was still on the case as of July 2021 (which is also the same month one of its members was killed). I don’t know … I just really don’t think the FBI then walked away from this and said, “ok, Nevermind - all yours now.”

In the footnotes in the FM (p.10) it is said Doug Carter removed the FBI that same year (2021).

 

[iamshadow21]

Also wasn’t it months before the unspent cartridge was recovered?

Source for this, please.