Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #175

[zh0r4]

Can you link the statement that a Comet was the vehicle seen?

I am not doubting it was said, many others have seen this statement. I just would really like to read the statement in it's entirety.


Thank you!

bbm

p. 113

“at 2:15 pm when BB passed the old CPS building BB did not see a black Ford Focus parked at the old CPS lot. The car that BB observed as she passed the old CPS building at 2:15 pm looked nothing like a black Ford Focus. According to Liggett's own report, BB observed one car parked in the CPS lot at 2:15, and that car resembled a "1965 Ford Comet that her father once owned. The shape had "sharper angles."

Footnotes (bbm).

1. Defense counsel recognizes that in 1965, Ford did not make a Comet, Mercury did. But these were the words of BB who knew what the Comet looked like, but erroneously thought that Ford produced the Comet.
2. Liggett's report previously entered as Exhibit 105, paragraphs 4 and 6 on page 1.
3. Betsy even provided a sketch of the side profile of the car that she observed at the CPS lot at 2:15 pm, featuring the angles that the car possessed. Blair's sketch of the side profile of the car is attached hereto and marked as Exhibit 113. The sketch definitely looks nothing like the side profile of Richard Allen's Ford Focus. A photo of a Ford Focus similar to the one owned by Richard Allen in 2017 is also attached and marked as Exhibit 114.

Source:
https://www.scribd.com/document/672126677/DELPHI-Memorandum-in-Support-of-Motion-pdf

 

[girlhasnoname]

Some people kicked around the idea that BG came from the south end of the bridge, passed the girls and then doubled back. If RA left by 1:30, he would probably not have seen BG.

Libby and Abby weren't on the trial at !:30.

Why did he only see three girls when it was reported that there were 4?

Maybe the 4th girl didn't see him? Maybe she was on the end of the line of girls, or walking behind or just plain didn't notice him. 3 of 4 did and described him to LE in detail and he described seeing them and one of them as tall with brown hair. So we know that happened even by RA's own admission.

MOO

 

[Salah11]

RA admitted in the Oct 2022 interview with LE to arriving at 1:30 and leaving at 3:30. Where does RA leaving by 1:30 come from? IDK

He changed it to be clear of the crime at a later date interview didn’t he?

 

[FrostedGlass]

So the report hasn’t been made public, but we’re supposed to take the word of these defense attorneys? I don believe its possible to do that.

Then I'm sorry I wasted your time and mine. I'll make a note.

 

[zh0r4]

So the report hasn’t been made public, but we’re supposed to take the word of these defense attorneys? I don believe its possible to do that.

The defense can be disbarred for lying in an official document. Until proven otherwise the D and P’s documents are both equally legitimate.

 

[Betty P]

I think the bottom line here is that these arguments and factoids are being presented to the public in the pre trial setting where the prosecuting attorney is not allowed to rebut,argue or question the validity of the allegations the defense is presenting. These arguments are supposed to be argued in court, during trial, not tossed unchecked to the public and media.

 

[Betty P]

The defense can be disbarred for lying in an official document. Until proven otherwise the D and P’s documents are both equally legitimate.

And no one can properly challenge it in a pretrial setting when the defense simply dumps the document in the hearing.

This isn’t a trial yet, where rules must be followed. The defense is taking advantage of that.

 

[girlhasnoname]

bbm

p. 113

“at 2:15 pm when BB passed the old CPS building BB did not see a black Ford Focus parked at the old CPS lot. The car that BB observed as she passed the old CPS building at 2:15 pm looked nothing like a black Ford Focus. According to Liggett's own report, BB observed one car parked in the CPS lot at 2:15, and that car resembled a "1965 Ford Comet that her father once owned. The shape had "sharper angles."

Footnotes (bbm).

1. Defense counsel recognizes that in 1965, Ford did not make a Comet, Mercury did. But these were the words of BB who knew what the Comet looked like, but erroneously thought that Ford produced the Comet.
2. Liggett's report previously entered as Exhibit 105, paragraphs 4 and 6 on page 1.
3. Betsy even provided a sketch of the side profile of the car that she observed at the CPS lot at 2:15 pm, featuring the angles that the car possessed. Blair's sketch of the side profile of the car is attached hereto and marked as Exhibit 113. The sketch definitely looks nothing like the side profile of Richard Allen's Ford Focus. A photo of a Ford Focus similar to the one owned by Richard Allen in 2017 is also attached and marked as Exhibit 114.

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Source:
https://www.scribd.com/document/672126677/DELPHI-Memorandum-in-Support-of-Motion-pdf

I love the footnote 162 that Ford didn't make a 1965 Comet but Mercury did. This is what I refer to when I say the Defense states something as fact in the Memo then footnotes that it really isn't actually correct. I'll wait for BB to explain in her own words what she saw.

classiccars.com

MOO

 

[Salah11]

Who is Richard Allen, the man charged over the 2017 Delphi murders?

Richard Allen is a married 52-year-old man who worked in the local CVS store in the heart of Delphi – where Libby German and Abby Williams lived with their families

www.independent.co.uk

In an Indiana court hearing, both the accused killer’s defence and prosecutors revealed that Mr Allen had made “incriminating admissions” about the murders in the seven months since he was arrested and jailed awaiting trial.

Mr Allen’s defence attorneys agreed that Mr Allen had “made incriminating statements implicating himself in the crime,” but insisted that the statements were vague, “inconsistent” with his past not guilty plea and denials, and couldn’t be trusted due to their client’s mental state.

I guess we will be the judge of that if we get to hear them. I find it refreshing to sometimes to go over the signs pointing to his guilt.

Moo

 

[girlhasnoname]

I think the bottom line here is that these arguments and factoids are being presented to the public in the pre trial setting where the prosecuting attorney is not allowed to rebut,argue or question the validity of the allegations the defense is presenting. These arguments are supposed to be argued in court, during trial, not tossed unchecked to the public and media.

Exactly, which is why the Defense snuck the Franks Memo into the public by going around the system. IMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

Maybe the 4th girl didn't see him? Maybe she was on the end of the line of girls, or walking behind or just plain didn't notice him. 3 of 4 did and described him to LE in detail and he described seeing them and one of them as tall with brown hair. So we know that happened even by RA's own admission.

MOO

My question was: Why did he only see three girls when it was reported that there were 4?

 

[girlhasnoname]

Thank you for posting this. Haven't been able to read the opinion if full yet.

At one time I was concerned that RA would be able to have it both ways if he was found guilty by the jury.

1. Attorneys were DQ. Concerned RA could appeal because he was denied his effective counsel.
2. Attorneys not DQ. Concerned RA could appeal because even the judge state she felt D was poor representation.

Well now the SC has addressed the above by stating in detail that these attorneys are competent? BTW, has that speedy trial request been entered yet?

The SCOIN Justices asked if they appointed R&B back to counsel could that be an appealable issue during the argument. RA's attorney said it could have been, but RA will waive the right to appeal based on that if R&B are reinstated.

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[girlhasnoname]

My question was: Why did he only see three girls when it was reported that there were 4?

Because the witnesses said he walking fast with his down 'like on a mission'. He didn't see the 4th girl probably, or maybe with his face covering he didn't have a full view? I can't speak for why RA didn't do or see something, I don't think any of us can.

MOO

 

[FrostedGlass]

The D in their FM are speaking here of the time when LE recovered the bodies. That would have been when the girls were found on Feb 14th.

I have looked to no avail for a MSM source stating the the sticks weren't collected for weeks later as some claim. If you have a link to that it would be greatly appreciated.

MOO

Since I just answered this same question 2 days ago, it's right at my fingertips.
CourtTV Barbara MacDonald
Sticks were not collected as evidence until several weeks later.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Since he confessed to his wife and mother, IMO, BIG difference from confession under police interrogation that can last hours upon hours. I don't honestly think he was coerced or threatened into telling his wife and mother he murdered two girls especially since his two lawyers were so gung ho to defend him. Was he feeling poorly about being in custody? I'm sure he was. How do you think real confessions occur? When everything thing is looking bright? Or are there no real confessions of murder because the accused murderer is most always in custody? AJMO

Yes, his confession to his wife and mother came right after the Discovery he received copy of April 3 or 5th. He then knew exactly what the State had against him (reading it in black and white made a huge difference IMO) and I think he confessed to the 2 most important people in his life and then got angry and broke his tablet after his wife hung up on him.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

My question was: Why did he only see three girls when it was reported that there were 4?

Because he's a liar?

Saw a group of girls, intentionally vague.

Was looking at his phone, was looking a fish, was following the stock ticker.

Was there that day, didn't see A and L.

To answer your question, why did he only see three if there were four? Selective truth telling.

If he left at 3:30, how come no one saw him leave?

If he's not BG, how come HE didn't see a BG?

RA's got problems with his story.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Since I just answered this same question 2 days ago, it's right at my fingertips.
CourtTV Barbara MacDonald
Sticks were not collected as evidence until several weeks later.

Thank you for linking that, it also cleared up the rumor that BMcD had CS photos, she had drawings showing the alleged stick placement, just lines, not even with a drawing showing a body CourtTV added those @ 11:20 mark. She does say that LE didn't collect the sticks at that time.

MOO

 

[Ravenmoon]

This doesn’t cite a date for when the bullet was found. I am almost certain, as with the sticks, it wasn’t collected until later.

There is nothing saying that it was collected later.

Even the defense says it was present between the bodies of the 2 deceased girls.

Does that not indicate that it would have been found on February 14th, 2017?

 

[Ravenmoon]

The confessions there aren’t any records of?

His own attorneys ADMIT he made incriminating statements about his guilt.

 

[Betty P]

Since I just answered this same question 2 days ago, it's right at my fingertips.
CourtTV Barbara MacDonald
Sticks were not collected as evidence until several weeks later.

I listened for a while, but didn't hear this information. Can we assume this allegation about when evidence was collected came from the defense team? If so, I'll wait until the trial to hear the facts. If defense has an official copy of a search warrant showing that information, ok. Otherwise, its just opinion. JMO