Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #175

[Betty P]

Can you link the statement that a Comet was the vehicle seen?

I am not doubting it was said, many others have seen this statement. I just would really like to read the statement in it's entirety.


Thank you!

According to the earlier explanation, the witness described it as looking like a Comet, not that it was one. It's been many, many years since Comets were manufactured.

It's these weasel words that makes me distrust everything the defese team says. Once the trial actually begins, their case is going to fall apart. That's why they're leaking fake information now. JMO

 

[Ravenmoon]

My question was: Why did he only see three girls when it was reported that there were 4?

All that we can do is guess "why".

I am betting that this girl was very young. Maybe a small sibling to one of the other girls.


JMO

 

[zh0r4]

There is nothing saying that it was collected later.

Even the defense says it was present between the bodies of the 2 deceased girls.

Does that not indicate that it would have been found on February 14th, 2017?

Chain of custody includes the date of collection-which to my knowledge, has never been clarified. Was it ever mentioned anywhere before October 2022? Any evidence without chain of custody is typically thrown out.

AJMO.

bbm

“An identifiable person must always have the physical custody of a piece of evidence. In practice, this means that a police officer or detective will take charge of a piece of evidence, document its collection, and hand it over to an evidence clerk for storage in a secure place. These transactions, and every succeeding transaction between the collection of the evidence and its appearance in court, should be completely documented chronologically in order to withstand legal challenges to the authenticity of the evidence. Documentation should include the conditions under which the evidence is gathered, the identity of all evidence handlers, duration of evidence custody, security conditions while handling or storing the evidence, and the manner in which evidence is transferred to subsequent custodians each time a transfer occurs (along with the signatures of persons involved at each step).

Maintaining a chain of custody is essential for the forensic scientist that is working on a specific criminal case. The documentation of evidence is key for maintaining a chain of custody because everything that is done to the piece of evidence must be listed and whoever came in contact with that piece of evidence is accountable for what happens to it. This prevents police officers and other law officials from contaminating the evidence or taking the piece of evidence.”

Chain of custody - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Betty P]

Chain of custody includes the date of collection-which to my knowledge, has never been clarified. Was it ever mentioned anywhere before October 2022? Any evidence without chain of custody is typically thrown out.

AJMO.

bbm

“An identifiable person must always have the physical custody of a piece of evidence. In practice, this means that a police officer or detective will take charge of a piece of evidence, document its collection, and hand it over to an evidence clerk for storage in a secure place. These transactions, and every succeeding transaction between the collection of the evidence and its appearance in court, should be completely documented chronologically in order to withstand legal challenges to the authenticity of the evidence. Documentation should include the conditions under which the evidence is gathered, the identity of all evidence handlers, duration of evidence custody, security conditions while handling or storing the evidence, and the manner in which evidence is transferred to subsequent custodians each time a transfer occurs (along with the signatures of persons involved at each step).

Maintaining a chain of custody is essential for the forensic scientist that is working on a specific criminal case. The documentation of evidence is key for maintaining a chain of custody because everything that is done to the piece of evidence must be listed and whoever came in contact with that piece of evidence is accountable for what happens to it. This prevents police officers and other law officials from contaminating the evidence or taking the piece of evidence.”

Chain of custody - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

We won't know anything about chain of custody for any evidence until the trial, as it should be.

 

[Ravenmoon]

Chain of custody includes the date of collection-which to my knowledge, has never been clarified. Was it ever mentioned anywhere before October 2022? Any evidence without chain of custody is typically thrown out.

AJMO.

bbm

“An identifiable person must always have the physical custody of a piece of evidence. In practice, this means that a police officer or detective will take charge of a piece of evidence, document its collection, and hand it over to an evidence clerk for storage in a secure place. These transactions, and every succeeding transaction between the collection of the evidence and its appearance in court, should be completely documented chronologically in order to withstand legal challenges to the authenticity of the evidence. Documentation should include the conditions under which the evidence is gathered, the identity of all evidence handlers, duration of evidence custody, security conditions while handling or storing the evidence, and the manner in which evidence is transferred to subsequent custodians each time a transfer occurs (along with the signatures of persons involved at each step).

Maintaining a chain of custody is essential for the forensic scientist that is working on a specific criminal case. The documentation of evidence is key for maintaining a chain of custody because everything that is done to the piece of evidence must be listed and whoever came in contact with that piece of evidence is accountable for what happens to it. This prevents police officers and other law officials from contaminating the evidence or taking the piece of evidence.”

Chain of custody - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Well, since the P is not showing everything that they have to the public, I imagine that it is not something that we are privy to until trial.

Since even the D has mention of this in the FM I would imagine it was collected.

JMO

 

[DeDee]

Can you provide a link to verify that the FBI wrote a report about Odinism? No one has provided that yet and at this point it appears to be a rumor.

The mention of the Odin report appears in the Lafayette Journal and Courier. However, it's behind a paywall so I can't copy and paste the article here. However, I am able to summarize it.

RA's attorney claims there is an 85 page report from Rushville police officer's investigation into the Odin angle. Allen's lawyers wrote in a court filing that failure to disclose the report adds suspicions to the lack of two interviews referenced in it.

Updated FEB 7, 2023
https://www.jconline.com/story/news...-evidence-delphi-murders-odinism/72510196007/

 

[FrostedGlass]

I listened for a while, but didn't hear this information. Can we assume this allegation about when evidence was collected came from the defense team? If so, I'll wait until the trial to hear the facts. If defense has an official copy of a search warrant showing that information, ok. Otherwise, its just opinion. JMO

Barbara MacDonald states that @ 11:46 mm.
No.

When you quote me, it takes time to find the answers for you.
I think it's an excellent idea for you to wait for the trial.

 

[Betty P]

The mention of the Odin report appears in the Lafayette Journal and Courier. However, it's behind a paywall so I can't copy and paste the article here. However, I am able to summarize it.

RA's attorney claims there is an 85 page report from Rushville police officer's investigation into the Odin angle. Allen's lawyers wrote in a court filing that failure to disclose the report adds suspicions to the lack of two interviews referenced in it.

Updated FEB 7, 2023
https://www.jconline.com/story/news...-evidence-delphi-murders-odinism/72510196007/

Thanks, DeDee.

The problem is that this information comes from RA's attorney(s). There is no link to the actual report and other contextual information that will come when the trial begins. Right now, we're only hearing what the defense attorneys claim is true.

 

[Betty P]

Barbara MacDonald states that @ 11:46 mm.
No.

When you quote me, it takes time to find the answers for you.
I think it's an excellent idea for you to wait for the trial.

Has anyone provided a link to a copy of the actual search warrant so observers can compare the court documents with the allegations being made by the defense team<modsbnip>
On the last trial I followed (and its still ongoing) we were only allowed to discuss information that came directly from search warrants, discovery documents, etc. Of course, that judge didn't allow defense attorneys to try their case in the news media.

So, I'm a little surprised with this case when there are few legal documents available to support arguments about evidence, etc. All we have to work with is what's been provided by LE in their press conferences.

 

[girlhasnoname]

The mention of the Odin report appears in the Lafayette Journal and Courier. However, it's behind a paywall so I can't copy and paste the article here. However, I am able to summarize it.

RA's attorney claims there is an 85 page report from Rushville police officer's investigation into the Odin angle. Allen's lawyers wrote in a court filing that failure to disclose the report adds suspicions to the lack of two interviews referenced in it.

Updated FEB 7, 2023
https://www.jconline.com/story/news...-evidence-delphi-murders-odinism/72510196007/

I don't know if you saw Silly Billy's post on the Odin Report:

Hey folks,

Unless/until a link is provided to substantiate a claim that the FBI wrote a report saying the killer was an Odinist, the subject is off limits so please move on from that.

It's gone on long enough, and other members and guests just aren't that into reading things like "I thought i read it", "maybe it's here ..." etc.

IF it's not linked it can't be discussed.

Click here for The Rules

 

[Ravenmoon]

I just came across something pretty interesting:

GH interviews someone who ALSO saw the older model car. But, this car was parked along the HWY.

Obviously, it is NOT the vehicle that was backed into the CPS building.

Sounds like there are 2 SEPARATE vehicles.

JMO

 

[DeDee]

I don't know if you saw Silly Billy's post on the Odin Report:

Hey folks,

Unless/until a link is provided to substantiate a claim that the FBI wrote a report saying the killer was an Odinist, the subject is off limits so please move on from that.

It's gone on long enough, and other members and guests just aren't that into reading things like "I thought i read it", "maybe it's here ..." etc.

IF it's not linked it can't be discussed.

Click here for The Rules

The report mentioned in the MSM link provided does not claim it is a compiled FBI report.

To the best of my knowledge, we most certainly can mention news that is behind a paywall or for subscribers only. As I posted in OP, the contents cannot be copied and pasted into our posts. It can be summarized and the link must be included.

https://www.jconline.com/story/news...-evidence-delphi-murders-odinism/72510196007/

 

[Salah11]

I just came across something pretty interesting:

GH interviews someone who ALSO saw the older model car. But, this car was parked along the HWY.

Obviously, it is NOT the vehicle that was backed into the CPS building.

Sounds like there are 2 SEPARATE vehicles.

JMO

So nobody else parked there that day?

Has it been ruled out as involved as I fail to believe there was only two cars seen that entire day?!

It’s a process of elimination and obviously RA was spotted bloody and muddy going back to where he parked his car.

Mooo

 

[DeDee]

Thanks, DeDee.

The problem is that this information comes from RA's attorney(s). There is no link to the actual report and other contextual information that will come when the trial begins. Right now, we're only hearing what the defense attorneys claim is true.

You suspect attorneys are lying about a Rushville police report? I can't say for certain bc I haven't seen it yet.
The info can still be discussed tho, right? It doesn't mean it is for the truth of the matter but the report is contained in court filings.

 

[Ravenmoon]

So nobody else parked there that day?

Has it been ruled out as involved as I fail to believe there was only two cars seen that entire day?!

It’s a process of elimination and obviously RA was spotted bloody and muddy going back to where he parked his car.

Mooo

Hi Salah,

This post is basically in reference to people saying that the car in question was a Comet.

It seems that there is some validity to this, HOWEVER, this older model vehicle was on the HWY parked about 150 yards from the old CPS building and is NOT the vehicle that was backed into the Old CPS building.

It sounds like the D is trying to use the older vehicle as a reason not to look at the one that was the main vehicle of interest, if that makes sense.


JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Hi Salah,

This post is basically in reference to people saying that the car in question was a Comet.

It seems that there is some validity to this, HOWEVER, this older model vehicle was on the HWY parked about 150 yards from the old CPS building and is NOT the vehicle that was backed into the Old CPS building.

It sounds like the D is trying to use the older vehicle as a reason not to look at the one that was the main vehicle of interest, if that makes sense.


JMO

Exactly, this is why I don't believe a word they say period. "Look over there, not here". A common Defense tactic.

MOO

 

[DeDee]

Has anyone provided a link to a copy of the actual search warrant so observers can compare the court documents with the allegations being made by the defense team, conspiracy theorists, YouTubers and others?
On the last trial I followed (and its still ongoing) we were only allowed to discuss information that came directly from search warrants, discovery documents, etc. Of course, that judge didn't allow defense attorneys to try their case in the news media.

So, I'm a little surprised with this case when there are few legal documents available to support arguments about evidence, etc. All we have to work with is what's been provided by LE in their press conferences.

We have the March 17, 2017 Ron Logan search warrant. The bullet is not mentioned in the Ron Logan search warrant.

 

[Salah11]

Hi Salah,

This post is basically in reference to people saying that the car in question was a Comet.

It seems that there is some validity to this, HOWEVER, this older model vehicle was on the HWY parked about 150 yards from the old CPS building and is NOT the vehicle that was backed into the Old CPS building.

It sounds like the D is trying to use the older vehicle as a reason not to look at the one that was the main vehicle of interest, if that makes sense.


JMO

Thanks for clearing that up

 

[girlhasnoname]

We have the March 17, 2017 Ron Logan search warrant. The bullet is not mentioned in the Ron Logan search warrant.

It was already collected by LE by then. They more than likely filed these bullet exhibits under seal in order not to tip off the person to get rid of the gun or any matching bullets.

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

The confessions there aren’t any records of?

Why do you say there's no record of RA's confessions, because they haven't been made public?