Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #177

[Emma Peel]

From Hennessey for Defense:
"Motion to Stay all Ancillary Proceedings and GET THIS CASE TO TRIAL"

 

[Emma Peel]

From Defense (Hennessey): Motion for Specific Findings of Fact and Conclusions Thereon
(where Hennessey formally asks the Court to provide deliberative written findings/decisions re contempt proceeding.)

 

[Emma Peel]

From Defense (Hennessey)
Objection to Change of Venue

 

[Megnut]

This Filing is from the Defense - Motion to Compel and Request for Sanctions.
NOTE - It's 18 pages long. Here's the second set of 9 pages ... divided b/c I'm wary as to how many screenshots this forum accepts in one post ...
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Quick ?:
What is meant by “geo fence victim” in the document late filed yesterday by Def? If it was answered already I missed it as I’m days behind. Ty.

That is what the Defense appears to be asking.

So.... if there's a phone that wasn't LG's, but it is labeled "geo fence victim's", then it might be --

The other victim -- Abby's.

Or it could be the first victim has a second phone...

Unless it's a typo or duplication, it sure looks like they had two phones associated with the two victims, in some fashion.

JMO

 

[Emma Peel]

from the Defense (Hennessey):
List of Additional Witnesses & Exhibits for Contempt Hearing

(Note: this looks like a duplicate of a filing a few days ago - resubmitted?)

 

[photographer4]

That is what the Defense appears to be asking.

So.... if there's a phone that wasn't LG's, but it is labeled "geo fence victim's", then it might be --

The other victim -- Abby's.

Or it could be the first victim has a second phone...

Unless it's a typo or duplication, it sure looks like they had two phones associated with the two victims, in some fashion.

JMO

Ty for helping me. I thought it may mean Abby had a phone or Libby had a second one but wasn’t sure and didn’t want guess at their meaning when I’ve been absent.

 

[layer]

Ty for helping me. I thought it may mean Abby had a phone or Libby had a second one but wasn’t sure and didn’t want guess at their meaning when I’ve been absent.

Possible the girls shared a burner?

 

[Emma Peel]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1767862051215450354

 

[TL4S]

That is what the Defense appears to be asking.

So.... if there's a phone that wasn't LG's, but it is labeled "geo fence victim's", then it might be --

The other victim -- Abby's.

Or it could be the first victim has a second phone...

Unless it's a typo or duplication, it sure looks like they had two phones associated with the two victims, in some fashion.

JMO

This is how it appeared to me, too. I wonder if any of those phones were burner phones? Could the people associated with them even be identified? Did they do a geofence of the entire trail area from 12:30ish on, or just within 100 yards of the CS?

 

[photographer4]

This is how it appeared to me, too. I wonder if any of those phones were burner phones? Could the people associated with them even be identified? Did they do a geofence of the entire trail area from 12:30ish on, or just within 100 yards of the CS?

Is it possible the killer(s) left a phone with the victim to make it appear they had a phone when in reality, they never did? Or left one to taunt police?

 

[TL4S]

Is it possible the killer(s) left a phone with the victim to make it appear they had a phone when in reality, they never did? Or left one to taunt police?

I don't know, but it bothers me that there were multiple phones within 100 yards of the CS between 3:02 and 3:27. Even if RA was there with the girls, I want to know who these other people are, if they are identifiable, what they saw, if they participated, etc. NMcL said they had good reason to believe others were involved...maybe this is why. JMO.

If the murders occurred before that time, or after, that would make the timeline make less sense. I'm just struggling to understand. So did these people at least hear the girls crossing the creek, etc.? Since we don't know anything about where RA's phone was, if he had it that day, if it was tracked on the trails when he was allegedly watching the stock ticker, and so on, then I don't necessarily see these other phones as exculpatory without knowing more. But I do think these phones and their owners need to be identified to the D, at the very least, through the discovery process. JMO.

 

[Dutch77]

This is how it appeared to me, too. I wonder if any of those phones were burner phones? Could the people associated with them even be identified? Did they do a geofence of the entire trail area from 12:30ish on, or just within 100 yards of the CS?

I think it’s just for within 100 yards of the crime scene as for a warrant the radius needed to be that narrow and would not include the bridge, trail or cemetery as those are beyond 100 yards. Not sure exactly how these geofences work though.

 

[Megnut]

Possible the girls shared a burner?

This has been my thought all along. After the factory reset. A special phone to keep special stuff on. Maybe "Anthony" left it somewhere for her to retrieve. Complete with a secret tracker.

I think RA took the second phone with him. Confident that the factory reset phone was cleared of any incriminating history. Of course he didn't know that Libby was recording the most incriminating thing of all.... but to him, her first phone was clean and he left with the other.

And if that second phone existed, he is toast. Because it either traveled with him or it died right about the time the girls did. Guessing he'd render it out of order immediately.

Why would someone do that?

No phone was collected that we've seen -- so... somebody removed it from the crime scene.

A random murderer would have zero reason to do that. IMO only a person who knew what was on it would do that.

 

[layer]

I don't know, but it bothers me that there were multiple phones within 100 yards of the CS between 3:02 and 3:27.

And if you look at where 100 yards or less puts you, it's right there in those woods around the crime scene.

 

[TL4S]

I think it’s just for within 100 yards of the crime scene as for a warrant the radius needed to be that narrow and would not include the bridge, trail or cemetery as those are beyond 100 yards. Not sure exactly how these geofences work though.

That's the impression I got, as well. I wonder if LE was able to go back and see if RA's phone was on the trail at any time between noon and 4pm? If it was not there, whether because it was off, or sitting idle at his house, or in the parked car, etc., then it won't help RA's case since he said he was on his phone looking at a stock ticker. Is this information not included in any of the D's filings because phone data doesn't exist? Or because it was turned off and looks suspicious? Or are they sitting on that until trial? I mean, I have no idea. But none of that really negates the fact that there were other numbers so close to the CS. I'm baffled by that.

 

[DeDee]

You replied to Sunsetbeach who was replying to me, the OP. I'm sorry you're confused. Every poster here has an opportunity to make their stance, as long as it's done within the terms of TOS.

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Early on in the investigation, authorities consulted with a Purdue University professor concerning what resembled possible Odinism signatures left behind at the crime scene, the defense attorneys wrote. But that angle was "essentially abandoned" after the professor told law enforcement "it was not Odinism or any type of cult worshipping or any type of group that would have conducted the crime," as stated in the filing.
Court docs reveal horrifying new claims in killing of 2 young girls in Delphi, Indiana


As do I, which I've stated numerous times.

MOO

Ah. I see. TY. From the same linked article:

"Yet, law enforcement in charge of the Delphi investigation seemingly, and quickly, abandoned the obvious correlation between the crime scene and Odinism, despite an obscene amount of evidence linking Odinism to the crime scene, and even in spite of powerful evidence linking specific Odinites in and around Indiana to the murders," the attorneys stated in the filings."

 

[steeltowngirl]

From Defense (Hennessey)
Objection to Change of Venue


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So, this is a change of venue objection for Richard Allen. Not just for the contempt hearing. He originally asked for the change of venue for his trial, which was denied, but jurors were to be brought in from other parts of the county. I do not get this objection.

Richard Allen asks for change of venue in Delphi murders case

DELPHI, Ind. (WISH) — The suspect in the Delphi murders has asked a judge to move his trial at least 150 miles out of Carroll County. Attorneys for 50-year-old Richard Allen, of Delphi, filed a motion Monday requesting a change of venue in the double murder trial, online court records show...

www.wishtv.com

Change of venue for Delphi murder trial denied, jurors to be selected from outside county

On Friday, the man charged with murder stemming from the deaths of Abby Williams and Libby German in Delphi returned to court.

www.wrtv.com

 

[Schatz]

Ah. I see. TY. From the same linked article:

"Yet, law enforcement in charge of the Delphi investigation seemingly, and quickly, abandoned the obvious correlation between the crime scene and Odinism, despite an obscene amount of evidence linking Odinism to the crime scene, and even in spite of powerful evidence linking specific Odinites in and around Indiana to the murders," the attorneys stated in the filings."

Why I still think FBI might be pursuing a more tentacled case.

 

[Schatz]

Also, holy moly - that 18 page Motion to Compel is really something. I want to see that Geofence data map.

 

[Emma Peel]

more comments from RA's Appellate Counsel on the recent filings in the case:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1767686678800380026

https://twitter.com/x/status/1767614753428361571

https://twitter.com/x/status/1767691853464219748

https://x.com/Wienekelo/status/1767901282675593656?s=20