Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #177

[TL4S]

first comment:
oh dear GB, no.
not without counsel of your own.
Hennessey thanks you for making his point, though.

That was my first thought...no counsel. Is this an okay thing to do?

 

[Emma Peel]

That was my first thought...no counsel. Is this an okay thing to do?

IMO, it is foolish thing to do.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Strictly in regards to NMcL's ex parte motion, here is what JG wrote in her 12/12/22 order (BBM):

All such motions shall bear the following legend, preceding and separated from the style of the motion: EX PARTE PLEADING T0 BE PLACED UNDER SEAL and the Clerk shall ensure that these filings are not accessible by the Prosecutor.

The Clerk, the Sheriff and any deputies from his office, the Court Reporter, and the Carroll
County Public Defender Agency and any agents are hereby restrained under penalty of contempt from disclosing to anyone the nature of any motion or order relating thereto, any testimony or colloquy adduced at any hearing on such motions, the text of any transcript, or any other information disclosed in such proceedings.

12/12/22: OrderGrantingExParteMotionforFundsIssued 10.pdf

IMOO, the Clerk (not the D) was supposed to assure these were filed as sealed and not accessible to NMcL. And, by disclosing the name of the D's requested expert in a public motion, NMcL opened himself up for contempt. JMO, but this issue should be treated as a separate entity from anything the D has done, and it's clear in JG's own order what has to happen for both the Clerk and NMcL. JMO.

That's the find we're looking for. Thank you.

She sure spells it out who cannot see the ex parte applications for public funding.

 

[Salah11]

So by the end of May it anything goes to plan he will be facing jail for life.

It’s frustrating as I’m away for 2 weeks in May so will struggle to keep up.

 

[FrostedGlass]

That was my first thought...no counsel. Is this an okay thing to do?

I did a search on that but came up empty handed.
I'm wondering why he would even do that.

 

[Emma Peel]

I did a search on that but came up empty handed.
I'm wondering why he would even do that.

just a guess, but see DSM-V Cluster B for why folks do foolish things like inserting themselves into high-profile murder trials.
JMHO

 

[TL4S]

I did a search on that but came up empty handed.
I'm wondering why he would even do that.

Two more correspondences:

Question: Do these people have any other knowledge why they are listed on the defenses witness list?

03/11/2024	Order Issued Court orders the correspondence from Frank Wesseling to Judge Gull on March 11, 2024, copied and sent to counsel of record and the Clerk of Carroll Circuit Court. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Noticed: McLeland, Nicholas Charles Noticed: Baldwin, Andrew Joseph Noticed: Rozzi, Bradley Anthony Noticed: Luttrull, James David JR Order Signed: 03/11/2024
03/11/2024	Order Issued Court orders correspondence from Melinda Gibbs to the Court, dated March 11, 2024, copied and sent to counsel of record and to the Clerk of Carroll Circuit Court Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Noticed: McLeland, Nicholas Charles Noticed: Baldwin, Andrew Joseph Noticed: Rozzi, Bradley Anthony Noticed: Luttrull, James David JR Order Signed: 03/11/2024

 

[mrjitty]

I absolutely agree. That witness list are full of conspiracy theorists, family haters, people who claim have hire a PI to stalk the prosecutor and said they want to make the prosecutors life a hell, etc. So sad for the families.

I don't know if they are incompetent of if their strategy will work on court because it's jury who decide and in my country the system it's totally different but I think they are not very...moral. As an attorney, I don't like those kind of attorneys but I guess might work on a jury and many defendants prefer these kind of "circus defense".

Yeah - bizarre to me, but increasingly every US case I follow is like this.

 

[Emma Peel]

Two more correspondences:

03/11/2024	Order Issued Court orders the correspondence from Frank Wesseling to Judge Gull on March 11, 2024, copied and sent to counsel of record and the Clerk of Carroll Circuit Court. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Noticed: McLeland, Nicholas Charles Noticed: Baldwin, Andrew Joseph Noticed: Rozzi, Bradley Anthony Noticed: Luttrull, James David JR Order Signed: 03/11/2024
03/11/2024	Order Issued Court orders correspondence from Melinda Gibbs to the Court, dated March 11, 2024, copied and sent to counsel of record and to the Clerk of Carroll Circuit Court Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Noticed: McLeland, Nicholas Charles Noticed: Baldwin, Andrew Joseph Noticed: Rozzi, Bradley Anthony Noticed: Luttrull, James David JR Order Signed: 03/11/2024

Is that Frank from youtube in Denmark? What witness list did he make?

 

[TL4S]

Is that Frank from youtube in Denmark?

I don't know who either of these two are.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Two more correspondences:

Question: Do these people have any other knowledge why they are listed on the defenses witness list?

03/11/2024	Order Issued Court orders the correspondence from Frank Wesseling to Judge Gull on March 11, 2024, copied and sent to counsel of record and the Clerk of Carroll Circuit Court. Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Noticed: McLeland, Nicholas Charles Noticed: Baldwin, Andrew Joseph Noticed: Rozzi, Bradley Anthony Noticed: Luttrull, James David JR Order Signed: 03/11/2024
03/11/2024	Order Issued Court orders correspondence from Melinda Gibbs to the Court, dated March 11, 2024, copied and sent to counsel of record and to the Clerk of Carroll Circuit Court Judicial Officer: Gull, Frances -SJ Noticed: McLeland, Nicholas Charles Noticed: Baldwin, Andrew Joseph Noticed: Rozzi, Bradley Anthony Noticed: Luttrull, James David JR Order Signed: 03/11/2024

I don't even recognize those names. Guessing they likely know what they've said.

 

[Emma Peel]

I don't even recognize those names. Guessing they likely know what they've said.

2nd name (Melinda G) is the Carroll County GEORGIA clerk, with a note to the Indiana Carroll County clerk - she had to advise Fig's letter was sent to the wrong Carroll County. They probably have a nice inter-county email relationship. I'll be adding the email as filed to the docket here in a sec....

eta:

 

[mrjitty]

If NMcL is found to have purposely broken a Court Order, I absolutely believe he should be held accountable as well.

RSBM - he pretty clearly has.

My guess is they sense that the mental health records could be in play, and jumped the gun on their motion - they need a new reason to make this application having been denied before - it will come up when the defence discover their expert stuff if they intend to run that at trial. My guess is they simply overlooked that they were not supposed to know about this somehow, Obviously they would not intentionally have revealed they had access to the ex-parte. Mcl. knows he isn't supposed to read those.

In any event, the defence will obvious want to make these arguments without putting his records in play which might be hard road to walk.

 

[TL4S]

Is that Frank from youtube in Denmark? What witness list did he make?

He is the "investigative podcaster" for Art of Deduction. His letter is available online, but not from a link I can post here.

 

[Emma Peel]

He is the "investigative podcaster" for Art of Deduction. His letter is available online, but not from a link I can post here.

dbm - wrong link

 

[TL4S]

Yes, that's him. From Denmark. I've posted his docket-stamped letter above via screen shot, here:
post #99 - this thread

Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #177

That letter is from Fig. Frank's correspondence is an email with JG. He is basically saying that through his investigation and per a trap he set, he was able to prove that the defense was leaking information. I'll keep looking for a link I can add here...

ETA: @Emma Peel

 

[Emma Peel]

That letter is from Fig. Frank's correspondence is an email with JG. He is basically saying that through his investigation and per a trap he set, he was able to prove that the defense was leaking information. I'll keep looking for a link I can add here...

yes, lol. linked you to the wrong screen shot. I dbm'd the error and I'll look again for link as well. Thank u !!

 

[Emma Peel]

The Order re: Ex Parte from the Court 12-0-2-22, including consequences of violations of order.
(a screen shot in the even that's easier)

 

[sunshineray]

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This is for anyone who can't access or view the filing.

Sounds like it sums everything up.

I was wondering who this person was, got my answer. Wow

 

[FrostedGlass]

Yeah - bizarre to me, but increasingly every US case I follow is like this.

Outsiders take an interest in US crime, too; especially Delphi for whatever reason.
Some podcasters in other countries have such accents that I have trouble understanding them.

Is the US more open with it's crime content than other countries?