Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #189

[vinayd]

I'm not following. How can you guarantee this? Also, what press release?

Press Release

Their first statements to the media. They used this language BBM:
"Although it is the burden of the prosecutor to prove Rick’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, the 3-defense team looks forward to conducting its own investigation concerning Rick’s innocence."

 

[girlhasnoname]

Press Release

Their first statements to the media. They used this language BBM:
"Although it is the burden of the prosecutor to prove Rick’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, the 3-defense team looks forward to conducting its own investigation concerning Rick’s innocence."

Yes, the famous 'Rick is Innocent PR', released one day after they said there was no need for a gag order because they didn't intend to try the case in the Media. HAHAHAHA

Oh, the irony is not lost on me. The Judge issued the gag the next day. They have been scheming and underhanded the entire time and everyone involved in this case has suffered for it, including their client.

JMO

 

[vinayd]

Yes, the famous 'Rick is Innocent PR', released one day after they said there was no need for a gag order because they didn't intend to try the case in the Media. HAHAHAHA

Oh, the irony is not lost on me. The Judge issued the gag the next day. They have been scheming and underhanded the entire time and everyone involved in this case has suffered for it, including their client.

JMO

Reading this today it confirmed RA left work to make the statement to DD and "returned to CVS". More than likely he would have been in uniform, Maybe a CVS polo and khakis. Much different than what he wore on the trails.

• After Rick shared his information with law enforcement officials, he went back to his job at the local CVS and didn’t hear from the police for more than 5 years.

 

[mrjitty]

I would venture to guess that there are videos at both locations. Holeman doesn't have to share every detail about how they excluded BH.

Let's also not forget Murphy also said on the stand that he could never prove BH, PW or EF were in Delphi during the time of the murders.

JMO

At the end of the day, there exists documentary evidence that he clocked in to work, and into the gym and zero evidence that someone else did it for him - that is just wild speculation IMO

 

[TTF14]

Press Release

Their first statements to the media. They used this language BBM:
"Although it is the burden of the prosecutor to prove Rick’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, the 3-defense team looks forward to conducting its own investigation concerning Rick’s innocence."

Ah, ok. Your "retry the investigation" verbiage confused me.

It's unfortunate the defense team has to be the ones to adequately investigate this crime, but here we are.

IMO MOO

 

[Salah11]

Ah, ok. Your "retry the investigation" verbiage confused me.

It's unfortunate the defense team has to be the ones to adequately investigate this crime, but here we are.

IMO MOO

If you mean to distort and twist things, then yes, they are investigating it adequately. Mooooooooo

 

[grannygates]

Yes, the famous 'Rick is Innocent PR', released one day after they said there was no need for a gag order because they didn't intend to try the case in the Media. HAHAHAHA

Oh, the irony is not lost on me. The Judge issued the gag the next day. They have been scheming and underhanded the entire time and everyone involved in this case has suffered for it, including their client.

JMO

Ironically it was actually the prosecution that issued the press release the day after the hearing regarding the gag order:

Prosecutor in Delphi murders case issues statement on court documents

On Wednesday, the Indiana State Police released a statement on behalf of the Carroll County Prosecutor, Nicholas McLeland.

www.wndu.com

The defenses was about a week later, DEC1.

Defense attorneys question 'magic bullet' linking Richard Allen to Delphi murders

Defense attorneys for Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen asserted their client's innocence, questioning evidence by investigators in the case.

www.indystar.com

Both were prior to the gag order being issued by the judge on DEC2.

Judge in Delphi murders case will not hold Richard Allen's attorneys in contempt

With the contempt issue settled, special judge Frances Gull has scheduled a May 7 hearing to discuss what evidence and information jurors will be allowed to hear.

www.wthr.com

MOO

 

[mrjitty]

An interesting nugget I picked up from MS

There is google data - suggesting there is a comprehensive CAST report out there? Probably to establish timeline, assuming the killer did not take a phone to the murders (no one is that stupid surely)

MOO

 

[grannygates]

At the end of the day, there exists documentary evidence that he clocked in to work, and into the gym and zero evidence that someone else did it for him - that is just wild speculation IMO

There’s no supporting evidence that he was actually the one who clocked in or attended the gym. There’s no discussion with coworkers, video evidence, digital evidence etc. I would never consider this a verified or solid alibi. IMO It is simply a possibility of what happened that day.

MOO

 

[sunshineray]

MS left out quite a bit that others who were at the hearings are reporting on.

Do you mean the DefenseDiaries, which includes one of the "Gang"? If so, after hearing about what they were doing in private, colluding with people who work for the DT, I'd take everything they report as having huge spin attached. AJMO

 

[TTF14]

Do you mean the DefenseDiaries

No.

 

[grannygates]

An interesting nugget I picked up from MS

There is google data - suggesting there is a comprehensive CAST report out there? Probably to establish timeline, assuming the killer did not take a phone to the murders (no one is that stupid surely)

MOO

I believe this was re: the geofencing map that was created by the US Marshalls. IIRC The defense was requesting the Step2 from Google that links the phone IDs with the identity of the owners. I’m not sure if this is still outstanding ?

 

[sunshineray]

An interesting nugget I picked up from MS

There is google data - suggesting there is a comprehensive CAST report out there? Probably to establish timeline, assuming the killer did not take a phone to the murders (no one is that stupid surely)

MOO

And the absence of a phone the accused said he was using while on the trails that afternoon would be a big UT-OH, IMO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I thought this was huge IMO, NMcL asked Murphy on cross if during all the course of his investigation, had ever been able to prove BH or the other POI's that Click, Murphy and Ferency suspected, were in Delphi during the time of the murders and Murphy stated "NO".

At approx the 53 minute mark in the same linked Murder Sheet Podcast above.

Woopsie on that one. I think a lot of T Click's testimony is going to come under deep suspicion or not allowed at all.

JMO

I think Click’s information has been stuck in the defense team’s spin machine where only the parts that support the Odinist fantasy are allowed out.
Murphy’s testimony is what happens when the defense’s statements face cross examination. Simple question gets a simple answer. Scratch that one off.

 

[sunshineray]

No.

Who were you referencing then? I'd like to read it, TIA

 

[TTF14]

And the absence of a phone the accused said he was using while on the trails that afternoon would be a big UT-OH, IMO

I can't remember....did RA specify a particular phone he was using?

 

[sunshineray]

I thought this was huge IMO, NMcL asked Murphy on cross if during all the course of his investigation, had ever been able to prove BH or the other POI's that Click, Murphy and Ferency suspected, were in Delphi during the time of the murders and Murphy stated "NO".

At approx the 53 minute mark in the same linked Murder Sheet Podcast above.

Woopsie on that one. I think a lot of T Click's testimony is going to come under deep suspicion or not allowed at all.

JMO

So glad we finally got to hear from ISP Murphy. His perspective has been greatly missed, IMO.

 

[FrostedGlass]

At the end of the day, there exists documentary evidence that he clocked in to work, and into the gym and zero evidence that someone else did it for him - that is just wild speculation IMO

Depending on the management, they might not have known if he was actually there.

In my personal experience, people clocking each other in and out became so much of a problem that the manager began collecting time cards after lunch and handing them out to the right people at quitting time.

I don't find key fobs to be solid proof, either.

I want to see him on vid in both cases.

 

[sunshineray]

I can't remember....did RA specify a particular phone he was using?

He gave his phone's information to DD. I would assume when DD asked for it, it was with the knowledge RA was giving him his phone that he currently was using, the phone he had that day. If that winds up being false then it would be a lie of omission on RA's part. Not a good look in front of a jury. AJMO

 

[sunshineray]

BBM

And here lies the problem.

IMO MOO

There doesn't seem to be a problem if ISP Murphy is testifying "NO", BH could never be placed at the scene. MO