Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #190

[Megnut]

Ceremonial box cutter.

Sigh.

 

[grannygates]

So does defense expert, Dr. Dawn Perlmutter, believe that anyone murdered by a blade in a natural setting that may feature trees, clearings and water, on or near February 14 were victims of Odinists performing a ritual sacrifice? Or just these girls she is being paid by the defense to say were? Inquiring minds would love to know.

She goes into great detail listing all the subjects she looks for when deciphering a crime scene and what her opinion is on each one in this case. It’s very interesting IMO

 

[TTF14]

Seems ridiculous but I guess they can't just...not look?

I guess that's true.

 

[ClearAhead]

No...do I think false confessions occur, very much so.

Yes false confessions do occur. But thankfully defendants aren’t convicted on solely a confession without other supporting evidence strongly implicating their guilt. It’s one factor a jury would consider.

 

[TTF14]

Seems ridiculous but I guess they can't just...not look?

I guess that's true.

 

[Megnut]

I suspect that the delay between receipt of the 1000 pages and delivery to RA was due to a lack of instruction and an inability for the prison staff to connect with counsel for direction. Were they to hold it for attorney/defendant sessions? Provide it to RA directly? With or without parameters? In his cell? Unlimited? In a conference room?

Guessing they were waiting for and trying to obtain further instructions.

Prudently.

JMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

Notes from WTHR reporter at trial this morning:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1819074633703813603

Long morning at #Delphi hearing. Started 9a. Lunch about 1:30. Let testimony from expert in ritualistic crime scenes. She said, “In my opinion, this is a textbook ritual murder.”
Here are my notes from first part of day. More coming with testimony from expert.
View attachment 521946

Wow. The notes say that the autopsy does not have an estimated time of death. That is insane for a homicide case.

 

[TTF14]

So does defense expert, Dr. Dawn Perlmutter, believe that anyone murdered by a blade in a natural setting that may feature trees, clearings and water, on or near February 14 were victims of Odinists performing a ritual sacrifice? Or just these girls she is being paid by the defense to say were? Inquiring minds would love to know.

Are you saying that this highly qualified woman is making this up, putting her reputation on the line, all for money? Dawn Perlmutter, Ph.D.

 

[grannygates]

Yes false confessions do occur. But thankfully defendants aren’t convicted on solely a confession without other supporting evidence strongly implicating their guilt. It’s one factor a jury would consider.

I would hope that to be the case but I think the main focus of this particular one is going to be the confessions though. Unless you have an opinion on what you feel is the supporting evidence that strongly implicates the guilt of one person in this case? IMO

 

[TTF14]

Wow. The notes say that the autopsy does not have an estimated time of death. That is insane for a homicide case.

Not at all surprising.

MOO IMO

 

[Yemelyan]

Expert Dawn Perlmutter was on Court TV about six months ago giving her impressions of the murders (about the 26 minute mark):

 

[grannygates]

MOO Autopsy has no time of death so that’s why Holeman created his own IMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

Not at all surprising.

MOO IMO

How so?

 

[TTF14]

Ceremonial box cutter.

Sigh.

I think we have to remember that statements made in moments of psychosis may actually be untrue.

How so?

Because, in my opinion, the timeline never made sense.

IMO MOO

 

[vinayd]

When exactly did they search that dumpster?! In 2022? Almost six years after the murders?!

Maybe he didn’t toss it until then. This is interesting either way.

 

[ClearAhead]

Are you saying that this highly qualified woman is making this up, putting her reputation on the line, all for money? Dawn Perlmutter, Ph.D.

She’s hardly impartial or unbiased given her expertise heavily leans toward religious terrorism and ritualistic crimes. Just what the D was looking to find….

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[Yemelyan]

From: https://www.wane.com/top-stories/delphi-murders-expert-reveals-details-about-girls-deaths/

“In my opinion, this was a textbook ritual murder. It has all the elements listed there,” Perlmutter testified. Perlmutter also testified that she was positive that the sticks were placed in a ritualistic manner and not with the intention of covering up or hiding the body.

When asked by the prosecution, “If the defendant made a statement that the branches were there and he tried to cover the bodies with them, would that change your mind,” Perlnutter said no.

Prosecutor McClure noted that Perlmutter was paid to testify and has no official blood splatter training.

Note by me: the expert's list of "things you find in ritual murders" included "atypical blood splatter," which is why the prosecutor wanted to note this.

Also:

The prosecutor also pointed out that Perlmutter went on CourtTV and said that the killing was a ritual killing last November. But she testified today she did not see any evidence or any crime scene photos until this April. The prosecutor pointed out she made the determination that Libby and Abby were ritualistically killed on CourtTV before seeing evidence in the case.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I think we have to remember that statements made in moments of psychosis may actually be untrue.



Because, in my opinion, the timeline never made sense.

IMO MOO

I am wondering why you are not surprised that an autopsy does not contain an estimated time of death?

 

[grannygates]

Are you saying that this highly qualified woman is making this up, putting her reputation on the line, all for money? Dawn Perlmutter, Ph.D.

Yeah. the “testifying for money” was brought to immediately like Nick and everybody else working this case aren’t also being paid to be here. MOO

 

[AugustWest]

Here is the IDOC guidelines that pertain to discovery, access to counsel, and access to legal services for inmates:

https://www.in.gov/idoc/files/policy-and-procedure/policies/00-01-102-Access-to-Courts-11-1-2022.pdf