AB's involvement?

[DLT88]

****MOO****

I think she could have done it alone Look she had 2 husbands living across the street from each other. She obviously was telling lots of lies to AB and she was getting help from her "other" husband to deceive AB into thinking he was her brother this is not a stupid woman IMO I think she is evil and conniving but not too stupid to do this w/o AB's help

I, too, think she has a very high level of deceipt and evil inside her -- enough to do the whole thing. Now....refresh my memory somebody please....wasn't it said that AB was 'out of town' some days before Zahra's 'disappearance'? Was it a business trip and what days was he gone? I could see EB killing Zahra and dismembering her all on her own. Zahra was small, and not a large adult so I could see her handling it. Still, I try and comprehend how AB could be so clueless about the whole thing.......A father coming home from a business trip will usually look for their child first thing. My father was distant, but if he didn't see all 3 of us kids in the first 10 minutes after he came home, he wanted to know where we were because he cared where his children were.

 

[tlcya]

We really have no info on where AB was spending his time in the days prior to to Z's reported Kidnap.

At varrying points in this story we've heard he was out of town, out working late hours, etc.

We have even heard varrying reports on when he last set eyes on her as Tuesday, thursday, 2 am , etc.

I can't keep all the differing info straight. It seems to depend on who you talk to what day.

When Z went missing he was

a) asleep

b) checking out a job

c) working in the backyard

and who knows where else. I just give up. Hoping TOD and COD are coming soon from ME, or if COD is undetermined then at least a TOD so I can figure out which way is up!

 

[docwho3]

There are certain things they might have needed to purchase in quantity in order
to dispose of the body the way I think they did. Following the financial transactions
might give them a fairly close time frame for Zahra's death.

However I think I have read somewhere that Elisa used some aliases so she might have
credit cards or bank cards or checks in other names. I do have confidence that LE will eventually
track down that info, if there is any truth to those reports, and follow the money.

 

[Bia.]

****MOO****

I think she could have done it alone Look she had 2 husbands living across the street from each other. She obviously was telling lots of lies to AB and she was getting help from her "other" husband to deceive AB into thinking he was her brother this is not a stupid woman IMO I think she is evil and conniving but not too stupid to do this w/o AB's help

I agree that she is evil and conniving, but again, how can a man be so distanced from his family that he didn't notice a crime scene in his very own home? Floor boards & sink taken, walls cut up, floors cut up, etc. There is no way he didn't notice something going on. And to not see your own daughter for days, there's something wrong there. Did he even go in her room to say "hi" at the very least? Or was she really locked up 24-7? Did he not notice a brand new mattress being bought and put in her room? Why not ask what the mattress was for? Where's her old one? Better yet, where is ZAHRA?

Either way you look at it, he should be charged with neglect at the least.

 

[westsidefox64]

I have a question im not sure anyone can answer. Does anyone know for sure how big the matress was? If it was a full sized it would be hard for one person to dispose of but if it was a twin or a futon not so much. JMO

 

[nomoresorrow]

Does that "100%" bother anyone else? It's like 'Yes, I saw her, before she was dismembered into many pieces, on Tuesday'. What's with the 100% comment if you weren't thinking of your child as a whole piece? It's creepy. I tend to like to think he is innocent, but he says some very strange things. Or maybe he wanted to say 'I was 100% sure I saw her on Tuesday'. Who knows.

I also find AB's comment, beginning at the 1:16 mark, interesting: "I know there was a fire in the yard and...we went back to bed. I got up and went to work. We didn't get to bed til 7:30 that morning. I had to go...get some kind of sleep."

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25360091/index.html

Okay, so the fire department responded to the fire at 5:20 am that morning (Saturday, 10/9) so what exactly was AB doing before that, if he wasn't sleeping? Have I missed a statement made elsewhere by AB that explains his whereabouts late Friday night (10/8) and into the early morning hours - before the fire was reported at 5:20 am on Saturday? I noticed that he also includes EB when he says; "We didn't get to bed...", so what exactly were the both of them doing up until the time when the backyard fire was called in? Something tells me I'm going to regret asking this question... :waitasecoes it rhyme with perk? :banghead:
TIA!

ETA: And yes DLT88, I find his choice - now knowing what we know - of words to be 110% bothersome! At 1:56; AB says that they only know "bits and pieces" (in reference to LE's investigation) - talk about freudian slips - Sheesh!!

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[Reba]

Exactly!

It puzzles me exceedingly that people need to (for whatever reason) make this case so complicated. It really is a very simple case in my opinion. Someone/s went too far in their usual beating of Zahra - I don't think they meant to kill Zahra. When some people commit this sort of crime they will often go to extensive lengths to cover it up.

You know, such as dismembering a body, scattering body pieces, digging graves, dumping mattresses, painting over blood splatters, lighting fires then calling 911, writing fake ransom notes, report said child as missing resulting in amber alert, nil confrontation with person in custody and then feign ignorance.

There is one reason and one reason only for people to go to these lengths, they were in on it together and no one can ever see the body of the child, because then we would know what happened.

My thoughts exactly!

 

[DLT88]

I have a question im not sure anyone can answer. Does anyone know for sure how big the matress was? If it was a full sized it would be hard for one person to dispose of but if it was a twin or a futon not so much. JMO

I don't know about the original one but I would think it would have been the same size as the replacement one. It seemed to me to be a twin at the most (could a child's mattress have been big enough for Zahra?) because they seemed to move it out the door with ease. It did not look that big to me. It looked to be either a twin or a child's mattress to me.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I don't know about the original one but I would think it would have been the same size as the replacement one. It seemed to me to be a twin at the most (could a child's mattress have been big enough for Zahra?) because they seemed to move it out the door with ease. It did not look that big to me. It looked to be either a twin or a child's mattress to me.

It was a twin.

 

[Pondering Mind]

I also find AB's comment, beginning at the 1:16 mark, interesting: "I know there was a fire in the yard and...we went back to bed. I got up and went to work. We didn't get to bed til 7:30 that morning. I had to go...get some kind of sleep."

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25360091/index.html

Okay, so the fire department responded to the fire at 5:20 am that morning (Saturday, 10/9) so what exactly was AB doing before that, if he wasn't sleeping? Have I missed a statement made elsewhere by AB that explains his whereabouts late Friday night (10/8) and into the early morning hours - before the fire was reported at 5:20 am on Saturday? I noticed that he also includes EB when he says; "We didn't get to bed...", so what exactly were the both of them doing up until the time when the backyard fire was called in? Something tells me I'm going to regret asking this question... :waitasecoes it rhyme with perk? :banghead:
TIA!

ETA: And yes DLT88, I find his choice - now knowing what we know - of words to be 110% bothersome! At 1:56; AB says that they only know "bits and pieces" (in reference to LE's investigation) - talk about freudian slips - Sheesh!!

~ All My Personal Opinions Only ~

I think there are all kinds of slips in that clip! On the 911 call, AB says that he and his wife went back to bed IIRC and here he says that they didn't get to bed until 7:30. I might could write that off if that was it ..but as y'all have pointed out, the "genuinely saw her out of bed" comment is very bothersome indeed...the whole little explaination was just too odd..

I'm also still of the mind that Tuesday was actually the last day Zahra was alive..Adam thought about that question before he answered (imo, thinking back to what he and EB most likely discussed as the scenario) and he still said Tuesday..and didn't realize it until the reporter corrected him..She missed a golden opportunity right there I believe!

 

[Wagara]

Did AB ever say where they were before the fires started? I had wondered if he meant they went "back to bed" versus being "in bed" before the fire started.

Floor boards & sink taken, walls cut up, floors cut up, etc. There is no way he didn't notice something going on.

I have kept up with this case as best I can but I am confused by this. Since the video came out I have assumed that the above was done by LE in looking for evidence. Was all of this already done and what LE walked in and found?

and she was getting help from her "other" husband to deceive AB

Why in the world would the other husband want to do this? I know her daughter and BB were afraid of EB but was everyone?

Aside from being heartbroken, I am just so puzzled by this case.

 

[nomoresorrow]

I think there are all kinds of slips in that clip! On the 911 call, AB says that he and his wife went back to bed IIRC and here he says that they didn't get to bed until 7:30. I might could write that off if that was it ..but as y'all have pointed out, the "genuinely saw her out of bed" comment is very bothersome indeed...the whole little explaination was just too odd..

I'm also still of the mind that Tuesday was actually the last day Zahra was alive..Adam thought about that question before he answered (imo, thinking back to what he and EB most likely discussed as the scenario) and he still said Tuesday..and didn't realize it until the reporter corrected him..She missed a golden opportunity right there I believe!

Hi Pondering! I agree with your post. In retrospect, it's as though AB was telling us what happened to Zahra even though he was trying not to.

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[westsidefox64]

It was a twin.

I fully agree the new one was a twin. My sons twin is a foam very light. I pick it up and pull it around when I put the fitted sheet on it,very easy to move. It just seemed to me the pics at the landfill seemed like they were focusing more on futon type. Also very easily moved. I think either could be drug from the house to the alley by one person. I also think you could strap either to the top of a car without much trouble to take to another location.
Has it been said if EB had access to driving the company vehicle? I dont see why she couldnt have. Maybe wasnt suppose to but very well could have.

 

[Pondering Mind]

Welcome to WS Wagara!

As far as I know..all that is known is that Adam said that they checked on Zahra around 2:30 am. Now of course, I don't believe a word he says..but IF he was telling the truth, it would make me think that both he and EB were still up @ that time since he said "we checked on her"..if either one of them had already been to bed then why would they both get up to check on her..especially at 2:30 in the morning when no one had been interested in checking on her for many hours previous to that...and that's by their own admission. None of it makes any sense..

 

[westsidefox64]

Did AB ever say where they were before the fires started? I had wondered if he meant they went "back to bed" versus being "in bed" before the fire started.



I have kept up with this case as best I can but I am confused by this. Since the video came out I have assumed that the above was done by LE in looking for evidence. Was all of this already done and what LE walked in and found?


Why in the world would the other husband want to do this? I know her daughter and BB were afraid of EB but was everyone?

Aside from being heartbroken, I am just so puzzled by this case.

In the 911 call AB said he was woke up by his dogs barking and found the fire. (Not an exact quote)

 

[Pondering Mind]

Hi Pondering! I agree with your post. In retrospect, it's as though AB was telling us what happened to Zahra even though he was trying not to.

~ All My Opinions Only ~

Which is probably why he has stayed T H I S F A R away from the cameras..

 

[Wagara]

In the 911 call AB said he was woke up by his dogs barking and found the fire. (Not an exact quote)

Thanks. I know it's easy to see something in everything but I think he only meant they went back to bed after the fire. Even if they stayed up until 2:30 and checked on Zahra (which I do not believe) he could have still considered it "going back to bed." Too bad he's such a liar that we can't believe anything he says.

Just my opinion!

 

[vjlaw]

I fully agree the new one was a twin. My sons twin is a foam very light. I pick it up and pull it around when I put the fitted sheet on it,very easy to move. It just seemed to me the pics at the landfill seemed like they were focusing more on futon type. Also very easily moved. I think either could be drug from the house to the alley by one person. I also think you could strap either to the top of a car without much trouble to take to another location.
Has it been said if EB had access to driving the company vehicle? I dont see why she couldnt have. Maybe wasnt suppose to but very well could have.

If she used the company vehicle that means AB would have been home for it to be there. The twin mattresses I had were the kinds with springs. I thought they used a piece of equipment to pull it out of the landfill, but maybe they weren't really showing the one they took into evidence.

 

[Bia.]

Did AB ever say where they were before the fires started? I had wondered if he meant they went "back to bed" versus being "in bed" before the fire started.



I have kept up with this case as best I can but I am confused by this. Since the video came out I have assumed that the above was done by LE in looking for evidence. Was all of this already done and what LE walked in and found?


Why in the world would the other husband want to do this? I know her daughter and BB were afraid of EB but was everyone?

Aside from being heartbroken, I am just so puzzled by this case.

Yes, the above was done by LE. However, the reason for them doing so implicates a massive crime scene (blood usually). So for there to be something so great going on in that house and AB claims he was unaware of it, seems unbelievable IMO.

 

[CarmelEyesD]

In my opinion, AB is involved. If not in the murder, in the cover up. However, there seems to be proof connecting EB (the ransom note), there does not seem to be proof (yet ) connecting AB. I do feel he has a lot of 'slips of the tongue). I think so far, he has just been lucky. We don't know, however, if there has been lie detector tests and what the results are...Just my opinion