AB's involvement?

[dar107]

So, there's a fire at 5:30am. AB doesn't check on Zahra, but hey its only a fire and a ransom note saying a child has been kidnapped, and we, errr no, EB checked in there at 2ish so no need to check on her at this time. AB claims to stay up after this till 7:30am. Do not know when he wakes up, but he says he goes out to a job between 11am-12pm. He still never saw Zahra. So she never got up at all that morning to, use the bathroom, eat some breakfast, get a drink of juice, nothing. And AB didn't think anything was odd about that and still doesn't look in on her before going to this "job"?

 

[tlcya]

So, there's a fire at 5:30am. AB doesn't check on Zahra, but hey its only a fire and a ransom note saying a child has been kidnapped, and we, errr no, EB checked in there at 2ish so no need to check on her at this time. AB claims to stay up after this till 7:30am. Do not know when he wakes up, but he says he goes out to a job between 11am-12pm. He still never saw Zahra. So she never got up at all that morning to, use the bathroom, eat some breakfast, get a drink of juice, nothing. And AB didn't think anything was odd about that and still doesn't look in on her before going to this "job"?

that appears to be the story.

*shakes head*

 

[Mountain_Kat]

So, there's a fire at 5:30am. AB doesn't check on Zahra, but hey its only a fire and a ransom note saying a child has been kidnapped, and we, errr no, EB checked in there at 2ish so no need to check on her at this time. AB claims to stay up after this till 7:30am. Do not know when he wakes up, but he says he goes out to a job between 11am-12pm. He still never saw Zahra. So she never got up at all that morning to, use the bathroom, eat some breakfast, get a drink of juice, nothing. And AB didn't think anything was odd about that and still doesn't look in on her before going to this "job"?

Now Dar, be kind to the man. Zahra was sick with a stomach bug, and also entering puberty and "broody", so he didn't want to disturb her with little things like checking to make sure she was comfortable, not running a fever, offering her juice, etc.etc. *insert eyeroll*

 

[vjlaw]

So, there's a fire at 5:30am. AB doesn't check on Zahra, but hey its only a fire and a ransom note saying a child has been kidnapped, and we, errr no, EB checked in there at 2ish so no need to check on her at this time. AB claims to stay up after this till 7:30am. Do not know when he wakes up, but he says he goes out to a job between 11am-12pm. He still never saw Zahra. So she never got up at all that morning to, use the bathroom, eat some breakfast, get a drink of juice, nothing. And AB didn't think anything was odd about that and still doesn't look in on her before going to this "job"?

And yet on one of his interviews he said he always opens the door to check on her when he gets home from work. I think it was the interview where he said he opened the door speaking about thurs when he last saw her and it looked like she was in bed. I don't get him at all.

 

[dar107]

Now Dar, be kind to the man. Zahra was sick with a stomach bug, and also entering puberty and "broody", so he didn't want to disturb her with little things like checking to make sure she was comfortable, not running a fever, offering her juice, etc.etc. *insert eyeroll*

Ya really what was I thinking, it all makes perfect sense now! :banghead:

 

[docwho3]

The bedroom:

If someone was beaten in the bedroom to the point of there being blood spatter:

Where in the room did the beating begin? If the person was beaten while at first
on the bed and then fell in the floor(or the other way around) there might be blood
on the walls and floor. Also the weapon itself would likely drip blood onto the floor.

A larger amount of blood might come from the victim laying and bleeding in the bed or
on the floor (or pools in both places) but there could be drips and cast off from the
weapon as well on walls and floor and possibly on ceiling as well depending on the way
the weapon was swung.

We know from news reports that Zahra was often made to stay in her room the whole day
So it is likely the beating began there and likely ended there. How far would a onelegged
girl get while being beaten? I don't think she made it out of her room.

The body disposal which likely took place in a different room or rooms in the house
would have produced some blood as well. Also if a chopping tool was tried on the body
there might be additional cast off and spatter in the rooms where dismemberment
was done as well but in those rooms there might also be blood in the drains.

 

[bessie]

It's possible that Zahra suffered internal injuries from a beating and vomited blood which spattered the wall and floor. That could also explain what AB referred to as a "stomach bug" (or whatever words he used to say she had been ill).

 

[JoeFromLB]

I believe LE took the drains when they took the house apart. Dismemberment probably was done in the bathroom and/or kitchen. I agree that she was beaten in the bedroom.

JMO.

 

[NancyA]

Despite all the eloquent and plausible arguments for AB's possible innocence of all wrong doing, I'm just not convinced. If nothing else AB is guilty of falsifying Zahra's passport application which required the signatures of both parents, Emily certainly didn't sign it so who did? He's also guilty of, to all intents and purposes, IMO abandonment of Zahra in the run up to her death if it's true he did not know about anything that was going on, DSS reports, why she was pulled from school etc and that things had become so bad between her and EB. No amount of wriggling can get him off those hooks.

I also believe that while he was not directly responsible for her murder he contributed to it by said abdication of his parental responsibility for her to EB. As far as the cover up is concerned he may not have come up with that ludicrous fire/ransom/dismemberment/disposal plan but I firmly believe he helped implement it. It does not make sense to me that EB could do all that was required alone in the time allowed between when he last claims to have seen Zahra on Thursday and the Saturday fire because for one thing how could she be sure he wouldn't come home early and catch her in the middle of dismembering the body or cleaning up the blood, switching mattresses etc or find her out of the house in the process of disposing of the body parts? And regardless of what she may have told AB about Zahra 'brooding' etc how could she be absolutely sure that he might not go into his daughter's room anyway at some point and discover either her body or the fact she was missing? And how could she be sure if he did that he wouldn't immediately call the cops before she'd had a chance to get all her ducks in a row? Then there's that ridiculous fire/ransom note scenario, if AB wasn't involved, I find it hard to understand why EB would have missed what was a PERFECT opportunity to have AB be the one to discover that Zahra had been 'kidnapped', all she had to do was suggest "you'd better go check Zahra's ok" at that point. Doesn't make sense to me at all.

No, I believe he was totally involved in the cover up and disposal and he may claim it was because EB coerced, blackmailed or otherwise forced him to but that, in my eyes, makes him even more despicable since clearly saving his own skin was more important to him than the fact his daughter had died through whatever cause - be it neglected illness or outright violence - due to his willful inattention to her.

 

[Clue Hopper]

Let us give a little thought to this theory for just a second. (I'm not excusing anything just sayin'.) What if AB didn't have parenting skills or instincts. He and EB were very young when they had ZB. IMO neither of them knew exactly what to do. EB knew enough that she felt ZB would do better with AB. Maybe feeling his mum would help him. (Which she did.) EB felt she was still going to be part of ZB's life. AB or KB felt as though she abandoned both AB and ZB. (All speculation.) Now a young single father not knowing what to do at all, seeks help from his mum. She willingly and lovingly helps. AB's entire family does. The day to day care goes over to KB and DH. Responsibility is taken away from AB. He is now free to be ZB's playmate as it will. He has a daughter and he doesn't have to worry about her daily routine, knowing if she is sick or not, etc. He can play games with her, talk with her, without worrying if he is doing things right, or told he is doing things wrong. Now EB suddenly comes into the picture. She is forceful and loud. She begins to make decisions for AB if for nothing else to spite KB's authority. She takes over everything that has to do with ZB. Now she has a whole town looking down on her and judging her. So she decides they need to go to the States. They need to do things her way. Now they are in NC, AB is even more of a lost puppy. He is completely reliant on EB. He thinks she is a mum, she has raised her kids, she knows what she is doing more than he. If he questions anything, I'm sure she was quick to put a stop to it. (Such as banning people from visiting and talking.) I'm also thinking in the latter days of ZB's life, EB had began alienating AB from her too. I think the less people that were around to keep EB under control, the more conniving she became. I think AB's lack of responsibility skills allowed her to manipulate situations more easily too. JMO and one of many theories.

 

[Soulmagent]

Let us give a little thought to this theory for just a second. (I'm not excusing anything just sayin'.) What if AB didn't have parenting skills or instincts. He and EB were very young when they had ZB. IMO neither of them knew exactly what to do. EB knew enough that she felt ZB would do better with AB. Maybe feeling his mum would help him. (Which she did.) EB felt she was still going to be part of ZB's life. AB or KB felt as though she abandoned both AB and ZB. (All speculation.) Now a young single father not knowing what to do at all, seeks help from his mum. She willingly and lovingly helps. AB's entire family does. The day to day care goes over to KB and DH. Responsibility is taken away from AB. He is now free to be ZB's playmate as it will. He has a daughter and he doesn't have to worry about her daily routine, knowing if she is sick or not, etc. He can play games with her, talk with her, without worrying if he is doing things right, or told he is doing things wrong. Now EB suddenly comes into the picture. She is forceful and loud. She begins to make decisions for AB if for nothing else to spite KB's authority. She takes over everything that has to do with ZB. Now she has a whole town looking down on her and judging her. So she decides they need to go to the States. They need to do things her way. Now they are in NC, AB is even more of a lost puppy. He is completely reliant on EB. He thinks she is a mum, she has raised her kids, she knows what she is doing more than he. If he questions anything, I'm sure she was quick to put a stop to it. (Such as banning people from visiting and talking.) I'm also thinking in the latter days of ZB's life, EB had began alienating AB from her too. I think the less people that were around to keep EB under control, the more conniving she became. I think AB's lack of responsibility skills allowed her to manipulate situations more easily too. JMO and one of many theories.

He does not seems shy about seeming to know about his daughters puberty.
He actualy seems to be well versed in that stage of a young girls upbringing.

If he was lost and didnt have a clue I dont think he would have had that conversation with the 911 dispatch.

Not that a big part of what you say isnt true or all of it, Just pointing that out because he was not totally uncomfy with raising a girl , My oldest daughters father would die before he ever said anything like that about anyone much less his own little girl. Even if it was really an issue. He is emotionally distant. Left all the child stuff to woman because he thinks it is the womans place. What ever woman. (his mom ,girlfriends, sisters of his friends)

I have seen dads that are okay with talking about it and might even describe it like Adam did because they were close enough to the child to preceive the issue. I guess I mean I have only seen connected fathers talk about the issue openly. MOO .

 

[Belinda]

I have to admit that I am up sitting on the fence as far as AB is concerned. I have been so sure all along that he was involved. But after reading all of the different theories, I have to admit it is possible that he really is just that dumb and was manipulated to the hilt. On the other hand, I find it completely impossible to imagine that EB is not involved. EB seems to be very skilled at manipulation. I'm still leaning towards AB being involved because it is hard for me to imagine someone being that completely oblivious, but you never know. I will be fascinated to see how this finally plays out.

 

[Clue Hopper]

He does not seems shy about seeming to know about his daughters puberty.
He actualy seems to be well versed in that stage of a young girls upbringing.

If he was lost and didnt have a clue I dont think he would have had that conversation with the 911 dispatch.

Not that a big part of what you say isnt true or all of it, Just pointing that out because he was not totally uncomfy with raising a girl , My oldest daughters father would die before he ever said anything like that about anyone much less his own little girl. Even if it was really an issue. He is emotionally distant. Left all the child stuff to woman because he thinks it is the womans place. What ever woman. (his mom ,girlfriends, sisters of his friends)

I have seen dads that are okay with talking about it and might even describe it like Adam did because they were close enough to the child to preceive the issue. I guess I mean I have only seen connected fathers talk about the issue openly. MOO .

The puberty thing is where I am wondering if EB had explained the staying in the room to him. If it was also used to explain the arguing between ZB and EB. (Somewhere it was said ZB was beginning to argue back. I don't even know where to look so just say speculation there.) It has been said he is one of four boys. We only hear about his relationship with ED ( which is very little) and EB. There has not been mentioned whether there has been any kind of relationship in between at all. So I am going to speculate that he has very little upfront knowledge of female puberty. I don't know, I'm trying to understand where all parties are coming from. It's very hard and very difficult.

I have three boys. My oldest two have had various gf's throughout their lives. (youngest is too young) I don't ever remember any of them ever speaking about puberty. I am pretty sure the subject would be pretty taboo with them both. I know it would be with DH. No going to the store for the feminine things for him. So I understand with that.

 

[shopgirlnc]

I have to admit that I am up sitting on the fence as far as AB is concerned. I have been so sure all along that he was involved. But after reading all of the different theories, I have to admit it is possible that he really is just that dumb and was manipulated to the hilt. On the other hand, I find it completely impossible to imagine that EB is not involved. EB seems to be very skilled at manipulation. I'm still leaning towards AB being involved because it is hard for me to imagine someone being that completely oblivious, but you never know. I will be fascinated to see how this finally plays out.

On the fence too, Belinda! But...I just cant seem to figure out the fact that NO neighbors ever saw ZB at or around the house. I am familiar with the neighborhood....the town....it is close-knit. Most people are friendly and welcoming to new neighbors. The next door neighbors still say that they never saw any sign of a child next door. Just baffling. :banghead:

 

[Belinda]

Very good point, shopgirl. If she was NEVER seen at that home, how could AB not know that his daughter was locked up? She had to be kept locked up or was never allowed to play outside. How can he account for that?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

On the fence too, Belinda! But...I just cant seem to figure out the fact that NO neighbors ever saw ZB at or around the house. I am familiar with the neighborhood....the town....it is close-knit. Most people are friendly and welcoming to new neighbors. The next door neighbors still say that they never saw any sign of a child next door. Just baffling. :banghead:

Mr. Bost said that he talked over the fence with AB, and that AB never even mentioned he had a daughter.

I find that VERY odd.

 

[vjlaw]

I believe AB is involved. LE were doing searches all through the mulch. That doesn't sound like EB to me that is an AB thing. The possible blood in the Tahoe. Zahra's little friend Jonathan said Zahra didn't mention her parents. If Zahra was close to her dad, I think she would have talked to Jonathan about him. BB said AB threatened her and was ready testify against him. AB made the effort to get on the computer and found EB just like she found him. AB is a big strapping guy. Doing the kind of work he does, I think he is strong. It would take something besides a kitchen knife to dismember even a child. If AB was at work, if EB acted alone, then the tools would have been with AB. I am not so sure AB worked a lot of hours. They certainly didn't have anything to show for it if he did. Boss's house, boss's tahoe and a 90's car to their name.

 

[Belinda]

Didn't Elisa's application for an attorney say that AB was pulling about $600 per month? I would have to go and try to find the link, but I think that indicates he was working less than full time. It may also be that the house rent was deducted from his pay, therefore bring home was much less.

 

[JoeFromLB]

I have to admit that I am up sitting on the fence as far as AB is concerned. I have been so sure all along that he was involved. But after reading all of the different theories, I have to admit it is possible that he really is just that dumb and was manipulated to the hilt. On the other hand, I find it completely impossible to imagine that EB is not involved. EB seems to be very skilled at manipulation. I'm still leaning towards AB being involved because it is hard for me to imagine someone being that completely oblivious, but you never know. I will be fascinated to see how this finally plays out.

BBM.

IF it finally plays out. I'm beginning to wonder if charges will ever be brought against these two. I hope and pray this case doesn't go cold.

 

[Belinda]

I don't think LE will let it go cold. They have been absolutely dedicated to this case and I don't think they will let it go until they have the right answers and someone(s) is prosecuted for it.