Access To FBI Lab Tests May Be Denied

[CHICANA]

This is a MUST read about the topic of the FBI laboratories. I can see this being part of the defense in a big way..just watch.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...93AA15752C0A961958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

Wow. This is really interesting.Goes to show, we should never put too much faith in the federal gov't.

 

[liltigress]

They are not going to be able to deny the defense request forever. A defendant is entitled to view those results. I'm not sure if it will take a federal judge or not, but FBI labs do testing in state cases all the time. I've never heard of them being able to deny the defense just because the judge doesn't have federal jurisdiction.

That's what I'm thinking... Can Baez seek higher up to file new motions since Strickland doesn't have authority over Federal?

ETA: Keeping these straight... Baez will get the results, this is just talking about allowing Baez into the federal labs to oversee the testing.. I think.

 

[Baznme]

Wow. This is really interesting.Goes to show, we should never put too much faith in the federal gov't.

That report is 11 yrs. old...........I'm sure things have changed since then. Besides, the testing to my knowledge has been done in other labs so not everything hinges on what the FBI said. All the reports from all the labs should support each other and I believe they do.

 

[Pixie_Dust]

This is a MUST read about the topic of the FBI laboratories. I can see this being part of the defense in a big way..just watch.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...93AA15752C0A961958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

great find however it was published in 97 so they have had almost 11 years to clean up there act...

 

[Lovejac]

They are not going to be able to deny the defense request forever. A defendant is entitled to view those results. I'm not sure if it will take a federal judge or not, but FBI labs do testing in state cases all the time. I've never heard of them being able to deny the defense just because the judge doesn't have federal jurisdiction.

If I understand correctly, what was denied was for JB to be present during testing.

Did anyone else get that from reading the request?

Of course the defense will be getting the results when they are available.

 

[Baznme]

That's what I'm thinking... Can Baez seek higher up to file new motions since Strickland doesn't have authority over Federal?

ETA: Keeping these straight... Baez will get the results, this is just talking about allowing Baez into the federal labs to oversee the testing.. I think.

I believe you are correct. He should have in his possession already - the results of the tests that have been done.

 

[Angel Who Cares]

I doubt they will be able to use this on the defense team. The article was published January 29, 1997

That was a decade ago! I would hope any problems were corrected by now! The advancement in technolgy, science etc. has improved since 1997!

:bateyes:

 

[Lovejac]

I doubt they will be able to use this on the defense team. The article was published January 29, 1997

Whew (wiping brow) thanks for pointing out that date! I feel much better now!

 

[Baznme]

That was a decade ago! I would hope any problems were corrected by now! The advancement in technolgy, science etc. has improved since 1997!

:bateyes:

Exactly.....and besides Orange County LE have not put all their eggs in one basket. There were other labs that also did testing. My guess, all the results came out the same.

 

[MD MOMMY]

I doubt they will be able to use this on the defense team. The article was published January 29, 1997

GOOD..I didn't see that part I only saw the date at the top. Knowing them they will still try and use this article.

 

[Seranade]

That's what I'm thinking... Can Baez seek higher up to file new motions since Strickland doesn't have authority over Federal?

ETA: Keeping these straight... Baez will get the results, this is just talking about allowing Baez into the federal labs to oversee the testing.. I think.

If I am not mistaken, the judge denied Baez request to "observe" and to preserve the testing during the motions hearing. This article sounds much more like he might have trouble getting to see the reports. In fact, the article doesn't make much sense at all now that I think about it. As I said I think Baez was denied his request to observe so I don't know why this article is saying the motion that was granted will not do him any good as the FBI might not let him into their labs.

 

[liltigress]

The FBI won't likely allow Casey's defense team into its labs.

Baez is entitled to discovery... AFTER testing is complete.. is that correct?

Baez was granted the motion to look upon testing as it is taking place but not to interfere during testing, etc...

Looks to me like this is saying that he can't do that in the federal labs, Strickland has no jurisdiction on those.

 

[Baznme]

If I am not mistaken, the judge denied Baez request to "observe" and to preserve the testing during the motions hearing. This article sounds much more like he might have trouble getting to see the reports. In fact, the article doesn't make much sense at all now that I think about it. As I said I think Baez was denied his request to observe so I don't know why this article is saying the motion that was granted will not do him any good as the FBI might not let him into their labs.

Here ya go: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/p...n=8&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Thursday Judge Stan Strickland denied one of the motions filed by Jose Baez last week.

Among the remaining motions, Baez wanted a judge to stop the state from any additional testing of forensic evidence. He feared that the evidence could be damaged or even ruined preventing his own experts from testing.

In the ruling, Strickland said basically that he would deny that part of Baez' motion because he saw no "authority or logic for stopping the state from doing additional analysis or testing."

However, the judge did grant Baez the second, less pivotal half, of his motion where he also asked the court to preserve all evidence and give him advance notice so his experts could be there for testing. Judge Strickland said Baez will get his advance notice and he and his experts can be there, but only to watch, not to interfere or do any testing at that time. The judge also stated that the state would take every effort to preserve a large amount of any evidence so the defense could do its own tests.

The judge's ruling is pivotal because Randy Means, Spokesperson with the State Attorney's Office, said the state did not present all forensic evidence to the grand jury. There is clearly more and will probably be additional tests.

 

[liltigress]

Thanks Baz.. I was just searching for something similar.

 

[MD MOMMY]

That article is from 1997, I would hope there have been improvements since then.

Yes, it's been clarified to me, thanks!

ETA..I wouldn't put it past Baez and crew to pull up any and all dirt they can scum up on the FBI, no matter how old. LOL.

 

[Busylady]

Could they be involved because at some point one of the many stories Casey told was that she sold Caylee?

 

[liltigress]

This helps answer some questions. One thing I know about federal charges is when a perp gets convicted on federal charges, they get no bond and get no time out for good behavior. If they're sentenced to 30 years, they serve 30 years. Period.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq.htm

What We Investigate

National Security Priorities
1. Counterterrorism
• International Terrorism
• Domestic Terrorism
• Weapons of Mass Destruction

2. Counterintelligence
• Counterespionage
• Counterproliferation
• Economic Espionage

3. Cyber Crime
• Computer Intrusions
• Online Predators
• Piracy/Intellectual Property Theft
• Internet Fraud

Criminal Priorities
4. Public Corruption
• Government Fraud
• Election Fraud
• Foreign Corrupt Practices

5. Civil Rights
• Hate Crime
• Human Trafficking
• Color of Law
• Freedom of Access to Clinics

6. Organized Crime
• Italian Mafia/LCN
• Eurasian
• Balkan
• Middle Eastern
• Asian
• African
• Sports Bribery

7. White-Collar Crime
• Antitrust
• Bankruptcy Fraud
• Corporate/Securities Fraud
• Health Care Fraud
• Identity Theft
• Insurance Fraud
• Money Laundering
• Mortgage Fraud
• Telemarketing Fraud
• More White-Collar Frauds

8. Major Thefts/Violent Crime
• Art Theft
• Cargo Theft
• Crimes Against Children
• Cruise Ship Crime
• Indian Country Crime
• Jewelry and Gems Theft
• Retail Theft
• Vehicle Theft
• Violent Gangs

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Just makes me appreciate the work of the OCSO even more. They have done a fantastic job on this case. Leaving nothing to chance is key here for a conviction.

 

[Nore]

This is a MUST read about the topic of the FBI laboratories. I can see this being part of the defense in a big way..just watch.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...93AA15752C0A961958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

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This may be why much of the testing was done at the Body Farm. There was mention of Caylee and in the article they stated that evidence is sent to more than one Lab to make sure the findings are correct.It is a very interesting read, just search Body Farm.I found the article on (UGH) maggots,blowflies etc. to be very informative.I spent a whole evening reading! Take care,Nore

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I'll bet they're testing, double testing and even triple testing to prove their case.

It's going to be a much stronger case if more than one lab yields the same results. This will also stick a cork in JB's pie hole.

I don't think the FBI testing will be the one which puts the needle in her arm. I believe it will be all the results from the U.T. Body Farm. That is an anthropology lab also and if there were skull fragments like were first reported or even maggots, they will turn and burn any defense they put out. They have never been proved wrong in a case, and they do such extensive testing most times the defense just defers to their results and attacks other things.

They can tell what drugs were in Caylee's body from the maggots they found. They can get the full DNA (mother and father) from one hair which has a minute piece of scalp attached.

Folks, I believe the FBI labs are the least of KC's worries.