Accident means no intruder

[Betsy]

Her death may very well have been an accident. Or at least whatever happened to her to cause her death may have been an accident. Whether Burke did it or one of her parents, I truly believe it was not premeditated (as in, no one intentially set out to kill her). Burke was old enough to know that you do not use your sister's head as a target for batting practice or hit her hard with a golf club or whatever if she annoyed him.

I would think that, if Burke was swinging a golf club or baseball bat in the house and accidentally hit JB in the head, he would not be prosecuted, and I think the Ramsey's would have enough sense to know that. If it were truly an accident, it would have been deemed as such, Burke would have felt terrible, his parents would have forgiven him, and this case would be a mere blip on the radar.

It was the staging that was done on purpose to deflect blame on to someone else, as was the ransom note. Because of these things, LE could not in any way label this death as "accidental", even if the death itself truly was an accident. This is why this case will stay open, IMO, forever, or until Burke breaks his silence. I think he holds all the answers, even if it's just a few whispers in the night that he recalls. That would do it, right?

Of course at this point, could anyone prove that John actually did it? With Patsy dead, it would be an extremely difficult case to prove reasonable doubt, let alone 100% proof.

 

[BirdieBoo]

Wasn't she rushed to the hospital another time when Burke hit her with a golf club?

 

[calicocat]

If the death was accidental, from a blow to the head, why go to all the trouble of creating such a horrific murder scene? There was nothing written in the ransom note to suggest that a pedophile was involved in the kidnapping. In my opinion, JonBenet was molested that evening, then strangled, because something went wrong with a plan.

From what I've read, John Ramsey was emotionally destroyed after his first daughter's death in the car accident. Why then wouldn't he have displayed that same emotion over JonBenet? It appears that his mail was more important that morning than JonBenet's death. And didn't Patsy Ramsey come to the door in full make-up? Would you be able to put on makeup if your child was missing?

If what I read is true, Burke asked his parents the morning after Christmas, what had they found. John Ramsey answered that they weren't talking to him. I think his response to his son was mean. Surely if Burke heard that JonBenet was missing/kidnapped, he too would have been terrified. Were the Ramsey's caring parents?

 

[JMO8778]

IWere the Ramsey's caring parents?

They certainly cared more about themselves than JBR, and their actions proved it.They exploited her in life(sexualizing her and the abuse),were responsible for her death,and then exploited her in death as well.Certainly all those actions don't indicate good parenting, or even caring parents to me.
These people are just like my in-laws....IT'S ALL ABOUT THEM !!!!!!!

JMO

 

[BBB167893]

"If it's a religious reason, I've read many times that most religions feel that the soul leaves the body. So, exhuming the body wouldn't be disturbing the soul...the person who is resting in peace is already in a higher/better place. No?"

Right, unless you're a throwback to when autopsies were illegal on the grounds that what happens to the body happens to the soul.

"If the death was accidental, from a blow to the head, why go to all the trouble of creating such a horrific murder scene?"

Desperation. "Knowledge" and "wisdom" aren't always the same.

"There was nothing written in the ransom note to suggest that a pedophile was involved in the kidnapping."

Which is one of the reasons the Rams are suspect to this day.

"In my opinion, JonBenet was molested that evening, then strangled, because something went wrong with a plan."

Could you be more specific?

"From what I've read, John Ramsey was emotionally destroyed after his first daughter's death in the car accident."

Still is.

"And didn't Patsy Ramsey come to the door in full make-up? Would you be able to put on makeup if your child was missing?"

I think she said she put it on before she "found" the note.

"They certainly cared more about themselves than JBR, and their actions proved it.They exploited her in life(sexualizing her and the abuse),were responsible for her death,and then exploited her in death as well.Certainly all those actions don't indicate good parenting, or even caring parents to me. These people are just like my in-laws....IT'S ALL ABOUT THEM !!!!!!!"

ME ME ME! That's all they care about.

 

[Trocaria]

Amity, thanks for the shout out and props! After I had posted that I wondered if I hadn't gone a bit far. I tend to do that when talking about embalming. Most embalmers tend to do that only because the process of pulling the bunny of out the hat for the family is so very amazing...to us anyway.

Regarding that skull cap...I saw a pic of it on another website. I have to tell you...the extent of the injury reminds me of those cases of motor bike riders sans helmets, pedestrian vs. car windshield or violent bar room brawl.

I still wonder about the dark spot on her lower jaw with the imprint of a button on it. Was this from her coat? Would this place the primary crime scene outside or in the family car?

AND that reminds me: did the police think to check out the interior of the family car????

 

[BBB167893]

"I still wonder about the dark spot on her lower jaw with the imprint of a button on it. Was this from her coat?"

Trocaria, you just reminded me of something!

From John's '98 interview:

22 LOU SMIT: What else do you remember right
23 at that time?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: I just remember just talking
25 and, (Come on baby.̃~ And I tried to untie her
0167
1 arms; they were tied up behind her head.
2 LOU SMIT: Were they tied tight?
3 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah, very tight.
4 LOU SMIT: They were very tight?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: I noticed a spot in her coat,
6 below the surface.

 

[Betsy]

"I still wonder about the dark spot on her lower jaw with the imprint of a button on it. Was this from her coat?"

Trocaria, you just reminded me of something!

From John's '98 interview:

22 LOU SMIT: What else do you remember right
23 at that time?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: I just remember just talking
25 and, (Come on baby.̃~ And I tried to untie her
0167
1 arms; they were tied up behind her head.
2 LOU SMIT: Were they tied tight?
3 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah, very tight.
4 LOU SMIT: They were very tight?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: I noticed a spot in her coat,
6 below the surface.

There's just not one part of that sentence that makes any sense to me...I need to go read the rest of that portion of the interview....

 

[BBB167893]

Agreed. Either he's confused or it's a slip-up.

 

[Betsy]

I haven't found that piece, but thought this was rather interesting...it seems we have an intruder who has no problem strangling, torturing, and killing, but won't stoop so low as to STEAL a laptop computer...

15 LOU SMIT: So you got up. What about Patsy
16 and the kids? There were various things. What do
17 you remember about that?
18 JOHN RAMSEY: About us packing?
19 LOU SMIT: Um hmm.
20 JOHN RAMSEY: I know we had some suitcases set by
21 the back door to go.
22 LOU SMIT: And the backdoor would have been?
23 JOHN RAMSEY: The garage door.
24 LOU SMIT: The back garage door. What kind of
25 suitcases would they have been?
0128
1 JOHN RAMSEY: They were, as I recall, there
2 was a black carryon, one of those, I remember it
3 was a pop out.
4 LOU SMIT: You remember that specifically?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: Pretty specifically. I think
6 I
7 had my computer; I think I had my little lap top
8 computer there ready to go.
9 LOU SMIT: (INAUDIBLE)?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: I think that was set out the
11 night before.
12 LOU SMIT: When would you have done that?
13 JOHN RAMSEY: I can't remember if that was
14 before we went to the Whites or after. I think it
15 was (INAUDIBLE).

 

[BBB167893]

They covered that angle with the Atlanta "break-in!" LOL!

 

[Betsy]

OH! The intruder came back (well, to Atlanta this time) after nearly 4 years to finally take what he should have taken in '96... :doh:

I get it now! Thanks!

 

[calicocat]

I find it odd that Patsy Ramsey pointed out to investigators that Priscilla White had a special plate of food made up for JonBenet at their Christmas party. The food could have been mixed with a drug to help JonBenet fall asleep so the evening's plan could be executed. I'm thinking that JonBenet was taken home, washed, and dressed, all the while she was sleeping, and then prepared for that evening's event. She may have been "dressed" with the rope and garrote as some sort of costume to be photographed and filmed for John's pedophiliac circle of friends. After the "show", John and his friends may have left JonBenet alone in the room, while they went upstairs to say goodnight. It may have been then, that JonBenet unexpectedly awoke, realized she was bound, screamed for help, then struggled to free herself not realizing that her struggle was causing the garrote to tighten around her neck which eventually strangled her. Moments later, when John returned, he found her dead. From there he concocted the story about the kidnappers and dictated the ransom note while Patsy wrote it.

I also think that Fleet White's guests at the Christmas dinner were part of the circle, and that he knew of JonBenet's death and was there when Patsy made the 911 call.

 

[BirdieBoo]

As far as stealing the laptop, though...My home was broken into once and the big stereo eqipment, laser disks and CDs were stolen, they didn't touch a portable CD player or a portable handheld tv that were on our kitchen table, although both of those were relatively expensive at the time, compared to how much they cost now. We also had a laptop in the house that didnt get stolen. None of my jewelry was touched.

 

[BBB167893]

A lot of people steal stuff that they can't even use!

Betsy, John's description of the Atlanta burglar was right out of the Susan Smith playbook.

 

[Trocaria]

"I still wonder about the dark spot on her lower jaw with the imprint of a button on it. Was this from her coat?"

Trocaria, you just reminded me of something!

From John's '98 interview:

22 LOU SMIT: What else do you remember right
23 at that time?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: I just remember just talking
25 and, (Come on baby.̃~ And I tried to untie her
0167
1 arms; they were tied up behind her head.
2 LOU SMIT: Were they tied tight?
3 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah, very tight.
4 LOU SMIT: They were very tight?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: I noticed a spot in her coat,
6 below the surface.

What the??? What is this, a typo on the part of the dictationist? How does he go from arms bound tight to spots on the coat and pray, daddy-o, since when do we put kids to bed while in coats, (unless of course someone hasn't paid the heating bill), all I can say is WTF????

Darn good catch, SuperDave, darn good catch!

:dance:

 

[Trocaria]

You know, if this case is ever to be solved, the remains of JonBenet need to come up topside, pronto! That wood casket is only going to last just "x" number of years, even in a vault. I would urge that within the next 5 to 10 years, that the body be brought back to an examining table and gone over by someone other than anyone connected with the local DA and law enforcement.
This case!:banghead:

 

[Trocaria]

I find it odd that Patsy Ramsey pointed out to investigators that Priscilla White had a special plate of food made up for JonBenet at their Christmas party. The food could have been mixed with a drug to help JonBenet fall asleep so the evening's plan could be executed. I'm thinking that JonBenet was taken home, washed, and dressed, all the while she was sleeping, and then prepared for that evening's event. She may have been "dressed" with the rope and garrote as some sort of costume to be photographed and filmed for John's pedophiliac circle of friends. After the "show", John and his friends may have left JonBenet alone in the room, while they went upstairs to say goodnight. It may have been then, that JonBenet unexpectedly awoke, realized she was bound, screamed for help, then struggled to free herself not realizing that her struggle was causing the garrote to tighten around her neck which eventually strangled her. Moments later, when John returned, he found her dead. From there he concocted the story about the kidnappers and dictated the ransom note while Patsy wrote it.

I also think that Fleet White's guests at the Christmas dinner were part of the circle, and that he knew of JonBenet's death and was there when Patsy made the 911 call.

Has local LE even been allowed to look at any party snaps taken at the party? That is, the offical Christmas get together as opposed to what may have gone on after the dinner plates were cleared away?
Good possible scenerio by the way!

 

[BBB167893]

"What the??? What is this, a typo on the part of the dictationist?"

Maybe. Someone said John actually said "throat," not coat. 'Course, that doesn't clear it up either!

 

[kimpossible]

Hi there, first post, yay!

But if he said throat, not coat, the "IN her throat" doesn't make any sense either. Patsy's met her maker, but it sure would be nice to see JR come to justice in our lifetime. Where is Burke these days? He's almost 20 right? Wonder if he knows anything and could shed some light.