Accident or Intentional; Evidence and Debate

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  • #181
Fictional jail conversation between JB and KC:

JB: Too bad Zanny wasn't watching Caylee at your house. <WINK WINK> That would help us explain how she had possession of the duct tape, laundry bag, trash bags, WTP blanket, etc.

KC: Actually, she absolutely was watching Caylee at the house. I was scared to say anything about that before, because Cindy doesn't like Hispanics in the house.

MOO :)

--respectfully snipped



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  • #182
I agree that the officers were just bluffing about the security cameras. If there really were security cameras for that date and place, we would have seen a report a long time ago re: LE's review of the tapes.

But I don't believe the defense is going to go with the "dropped her off on the steps at Sawgrass" story. KC told the JB Park story on bond, and told the "Zanny watching Caylee at the Anthony home" story to Robyn A. My guess is that KC and the defense think that one of those stories is better than the Sawgrass story.

Fictional jail conversation between JB and KC:

JB: Too bad Zanny wasn't watching Caylee at your house. <WINK WINK> That would help us explain how she had possession of the duct tape, laundry bag, trash bags, WTP blanket, etc.

KC: Actually, she absolutely was watching Caylee at the house. I was scared to say anything about that before, because Cindy doesn't like Hispanics in the house.

MOO :)

Just so everyone is aware of this, there are 13 security cameras lining all areas of Sawgrass apartments, including stairwells.

In addition, lets not forget that it was only a month after Casey claimed to have been there, that LE would have checked those cameras, and it wouldn't be unreasonable that the tapes would still show the date Casey claims to have been at that stairwell.

And last but most important, let us also not forget that the most damning evidence of Casey's lies are being withheld by the Sunshine Laws, protecting Casey from a tainted jury pool.

I, for one, won't be surprised when the tapes prove Casey wasn't at that stairwell. ;)
 
  • #183
I cannot imagine dropping off my girls everyday on the steps of an apartment I have never been in! How long has she been supposingly dropping her off like that? In my opinion that does not show a caring mother! :(

Dropping a 2.5 year old child off on the steps of an apartment that has been unoccupied for six months qualifies for child endangerment and child neglect I believe, and can easily lead to having your child apprehended by child welfare authorities and being charged with above.
 
  • #184
Very heated around here today and I can see some interesting bonds based on who challenges who and what not. Sitting back for a year and not posting was really informative on what to expect and from who. Needless to say I'm addicted. IMO
 
  • #185
When did they say that they did not sell any pics? seriously, I remember them saying they did not sell a story. Can we find a link so we can prove that Jb lied? Don't know about the I will hold my head high thing. Is that in one of the letters? or is that something this RA said? I believe that Macaluso did show proof. There are people now that searched that area and there was no body found. I am not sure who the Judge ordered it to? Were they to provide that proof to the Judge? or the SA? Also, the Judge took the tool they needed to prove it away from them. He has tied their hands. We as a people may never know the truth, because the Judge is keeping the truth at bay. IMO I think you have failed to show me a lie by JB. Nothing against, but I think this whole Kc lieing thing is infectious and majority people begin to think they have a liscense to call anyone a liar. sorry thats just my opinion.

Can you show me an example of a video or statement when Baez says he did sell pictures and videos?
It's up in the air if the actual area where Caylee was - was actually searched. A body not found IS NOT a body not there. A couple of half -****d statements from several dubious searchers, one of whom has retracted his statement is a long long way from proving Macaluso statement.
For me re the Judge tools and hands tied is beyond me to decipher for your meaning.
 
  • #186
I was refferring to what Kc told police and not what Lp says that TMc says
that someone else says that she said. Oh yeah, Ga was in their too.
People should stop putting words in Kc mouth, because it wont fly at trial.

From the letters it sounds like Kc does not believe Zanny is the perp. She has never said so either. She has only said that she dropped off Caylee at the steps at Sawgrass apts.

The Jury will be made up of people just like Ws I disagree somewhat.
I doubt the general public is on the same level as ws 'r doubt a Ws'r would even qualify to be on the jury. Furthermore, in the gulty not guilty thread, the not guilty made up for 11 percent. That is a hung Jury IMO

The non-WS people I have talked about this case with usually express surprise that I am interested in the details when to them the big picture is clear--they unanimously believe she is guilty. They don't fret about the things WS does, they see a strutting, head-tossing, proven liar of a mother inventing a nanny no one has ever met and not reporting her child missing and then the child's body being found at the end of her street with duct tape across her face, and that tells them a whole story. The reason this case is being dragged out for so long is that the defense want people to get bound up in detail and lose sight of the macro view of things. But common sense is a powerful force, it shouldn't be underestimated.
 
  • #187
I agree that the officers were just bluffing about the security cameras. If there really were security cameras for that date and place, we would have seen a report a long time ago re: LE's review of the tapes.

But I don't believe the defense is going to go with the "dropped her off on the steps at Sawgrass" story. KC told the JB Park story on bond, and told the "Zanny watching Caylee at the Anthony home" story to Robyn A. My guess is that KC and the defense think that one of those stories is better than the Sawgrass story.

Fictional jail conversation between JB and KC:

JB: Too bad Zanny wasn't watching Caylee at your house. <WINK WINK> That would help us explain how she had possession of the duct tape, laundry bag, trash bags, WTP blanket, etc.

KC: Actually, she absolutely was watching Caylee at the house. I was scared to say anything about that before, because Cindy doesn't like Hispanics in the house.
MOO :)

And especially when GA is home <WINK WINK>
 
  • #188
Just so everyone is aware of this, there are 13 security cameras lining all areas of Sawgrass apartments, including stairwells.

In addition, lets not forget that it was only a month after Casey claimed to have been there, that LE would have checked those cameras, and it wouldn't be unreasonable that the tapes would still show the date Casey claims to have been at that stairwell.

And last but most important, let us also not forget that the most damning evidence of Casey's lies are being withheld by the Sunshine Laws, protecting Casey from a tainted jury pool.
I, for one, won't be surprised when the tapes prove Casey wasn't at that stairwell. ;)

This is not correct. The Sunshine Laws do not allow for this type of information to be withheld.
 
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  • #190
No thats funny..

Of course it's funny.....I'm here all week.


Well unless I run out of steam, or someone shoots me out of the water.
 
  • #191
And especially when GA is home <WINK WINK>

:spit: :laughitup: :applause:

Cocktail hour here: a big East Coast :toast: to you!
 
  • #192
Of course it's funny.....I'm here all week.


Well unless I run out of steam, or someone shoots me out of the water.

Is it time for a little "BLONDIE"?

"The moon is full and I'm hangin' on,
I want to be your number one......."

oh darn is that the tide has turned and I'm hangin on? Whatever - carry on LambChop - please!

LOL
 
  • #193
When did they say that they did not sell any pics? seriously, I remember them saying they did not sell a story. Can we find a link so we can prove that Jb lied? Don't know about the I will hold my head high thing. Is that in one of the letters? or is that something this RA said? I believe that Macaluso did show proof. There are people now that searched that area and there was no body found. I am not sure who the Judge ordered it to? Were they to provide that proof to the Judge? or the SA? Also, the Judge took the tool they needed to prove it away from them. He has tied their hands. We as a people may never know the truth, because the Judge is keeping the truth at bay. IMO I think you have failed to show me a lie by JB. Nothing against, but I think this whole Kc lieing thing is infectious and majority people begin to think they have a liscense to call anyone a liar. sorry thats just my opinion.

Macaluso was given until February to come up with the proof that he cited.He was to provide it to the Court.
He has not shown it to date. Neither has the Attorney who replaced him.
Oh JB.... it's now April ! Where is it?
 
  • #194
This is not correct. The Sunshine Laws do not allow for this type of information to be withheld.

From the public? There are supposedly exclusions to the Sunshine Laws, correct?
 
  • #195
JB says he never brokered the deal for KC to sell the pictures. ABC said JB brokered the deal.
 
  • #196
From the public? There are supposedly exclusions to the Sunshine Laws, correct?

Yes, there are, but the fact that the evidence is damning and will make people think she's guilty is not one of the exceptions.

If the defense receives discovery and believes it should not be released to the public (i.e., an exception should be made to the Sunshine Laws), the defense would have to file a motion to prevent the release, and we would know about it. (Remember how they fought to keep the jail video secret--the one showing her reaction when Caylee's remains were found?)
 
  • #197
Macaluso was given until February to come up with the proof that he cited.He was to provide it to the Court.
He has not shown it to date. Neither has the Attorney who replaced him.
Oh JB.... it's now April ! Where is it?

Oh ZsaZsa you silly! You know exactly where it is - over there in LaLaLand parked right next to Zanny's new silver vehicle!
 
  • #198
Very heated around here today and I can see some interesting bonds based on who challenges who and what not. Sitting back for a year and not posting was really informative on what to expect and from who. Needless to say I'm addicted. IMO

It may be heated for some but I think a good debate gets the bugs out of the theories that don't make sense. Much of what we take in is body language so watching tapes of KC reveals a lot to people, put them together with her lies, the evidence presented so far it is only natural that the majority of the people will not buy into a "short sale". For KC the scale of evidence is way over to the negative side. So any challenges by posters would be normal, you know, if you have more information than we have seen put it up, let's take a look at it. Secret or no secret we still have not seen anything defense has to tip that scale even remotely to the positive side for KC. So we wait and take each tidbit as it comes in. JMO
 
  • #199
Here is the problem though. If you can just pick and choose which lies fits your story and not allow someone to ask you for specifics, then how can we get to the truth? There are many people now saying that the defense lies. Jb Lies, the Anthony's lie. I can accept that there were a lot of lies, but I do not accept that absolutely everyone on the defense side lies. We do not have a liscense to call all of the defense liars here. It is important to be specific when you are making a point. I feel I have a right to look into a matter and ask questions if I don't know the answer.

If posters begin to base their beliefs on Kc's lies, they will never get to the truth. IMO

Don't need a 'license' to call all of the defense liars. If it is a fact it is not slandering anyone.
 
  • #200
Yes, there are, but the fact that the evidence is damning and will make people think she's guilty is not one of the exceptions.

If the defense receives discovery and believes it should not be released to the public (i.e., an exception should be made to the Sunshine Laws), the defense would have to file a motion to prevent the release, and we would know about it. (Remember how they fought to keep the jail video secret--the one showing her reaction when Caylee's remains were found?)

True about the motions, I understand their function, particular noted that Baez was doing the pp dance when Casey reacted to the remains being found. LOL

But anyway, can you please give an example then of what would qualify as an exclusion to the Sunshine Laws, if not for the most damning of evidence, just so well all understand their purpose? TIA.
 
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