Accused DC Madam Commited Suicide *merged threads*

[Kim Ii]

Hi JBean,

In all honesty, I haven't really delved too deeply into researching this case -- at least, not as much as I normally would. I am a researcher and right now, I'm into 'other things.'

But look, I learned a LOT when I delved into my vaccine safety research. A lot. And sometimes, more oft than not, truth really is stranger than fiction.

I have friends, close friends, who are investigative journalists. They've told me stories that would curl your straight hair. I have learned that up is down, and round is square -- and that's just for starters.

But I am telling you -- this Palfrey woman did not commit suicide. I'd stake my house on it. Alex Jones spoke with Palfrey on numerous occasions, on and off the record. So did many others. Believe me, the circle the wagon mentality has commenced on this case.

 

[Diamond]

She wouldn't be the first person to say she wouldn't do it...but later go through w/it. Also, it makes perfect sense that she would claim that if she wanted revenge or (like another mentioned) the last laugh. Not to mention, she has also said she would do it. Obviously, she wasn't a truthful person. Specifically, truthful about it.

 

[JBean]

Hi JBean,

In all honesty, I haven't really delved too deeply into researching this case -- at least, not as much as I normally would. I am a researcher and right now, I'm into 'other things.'

But look, I learned a LOT when I delved into my vaccine safety research. A lot. And sometimes, more oft than not, truth really is stranger than fiction.

I have friends, close friends, who are investigative journalists. They've told me stories that would curl your straight hair. I have learned that up is down, and round is square -- and that's just for starters.

But I am telling you -- this Palfrey woman did not commit suicide. I'd stake my house on it. Alex Jones spoke with Palfrey on numerous occasions, on and off the record. So did many others. Believe me, the circle the wagon mentality has commenced on this case.

Don't stake your house on it, please! I think if she admitted publicly that she was going to commit suicide she would have been put on 72 hour hold so of course she would deny it if asked point blank.
I do know a lot goes on in DC. My BIL worked as Presidential counsel ..and you better believe he has some curly haired stories also lol. My sister is a safety planner for the Circle of Govts in DC. Point is I know chit happens! But with that said, I still don't see this as a slam dunk murder by a long long shot. i see a suicide, but will keep an open mind as the facts come in.

 

[philamena]

Kim Ii,
If the letters to her mom and sister are verified as being written in her handwriting, would you then consider her death as suicide?

 

[porkchop]

People even though most of us don't think is should be but prostitution is illegal. That being said if you are going to be a pimp be prepared to do a little time if you are caught. If you have high profile clients do not, I repeat do not threaten to release the names of those clients in order to avoid jail time. If you do your sentence will be inflated with BS charges and the IRS will come after you for everything you have, then you will get all suicidal and kill yourself. Most pimps that get arrested keep their mouths shut serve a few years, pay a fine and went they get out it is business as usual. She should have learned from Heidi (sp) Flies.
:innocent:

 

[Kim Ii]

Hi JBean/All,

Just now saw the most recent posts.

I haven't had time to review what all is being said re: this case. One journalist I trust implicitly is Wayne Madsen (and I've already posted threads above re: what he's said about this case.)

So, nope...I still stand by the 'suicidED' stance on this case.

No one can 'prove' beyond a shadow of a doubt what really happened to Palfrey. They've already got this case locked up and sealed, supposedly. So, sure, IF they could somehow PROVE that she wrote those notes...on the other hand, on some cases I've read about in my research, so-called suicide victims were actually forced into writing their own suicide notes. It happens...

I wouldn't feel so strongly about this case if I hadn't read what, for one, Madsen found from his high level insider sources. There are just too many high level sources involved with this case to NOT raise my hinky meter on this one. Alex Jones also has shed a great deal of information on this case and he, too, feels adamantly, that Palfrey was murdered.

That's where I am for now. But who knows, I could change my mind...

 

[JBean]

Hi JBean/All,

Just now saw the most recent posts.

I haven't had time to review what all is being said re: this case. One journalist I trust implicitly is Wayne Madsen (and I've already posted threads above re: what he's said about this case.)

So, nope...I still stand by the 'suicidED' stance on this case.

No one can 'prove' beyond a shadow of a doubt what really happened to Palfrey. They've already got this case locked up and sealed, supposedly. So, sure, IF they could somehow PROVE that she wrote those notes...on the other hand, on some cases I've read about in my research, so-called suicide victims were actually forced into writing their own suicide notes. It happens...

I wouldn't feel so strongly about this case if I hadn't read what, for one, Madsen found from his high level insider sources. There are just too many high level sources involved with this case to NOT raise my hinky meter on this one. Alex Jones also has shed a great deal of information on this case and he, too, feels adamantly, that Palfrey was murdered.

That's where I am for now. But who knows, I could change my mind...

Hi Kim. I hear what you are saying. I was thinking about someone making her write the notes. But I would be willing to bet she would write something in there that would tip them off that she was forced. I really believe that as she was sharp. I won't fall over if the mom or sister come out and say that the notes didn't add up for whatever reason. Investigation is defintiely in order, but at this point I'll stick with suicide.
I also want to know how far in advance she moved that money.

 

[txsvicki]

I just read the parts of the suicide notes that could be seen and the Madam sounded sort of formal in them. I thought that was kind of odd and wonder why she didn't go to a motel to kill herself. At least her mother wouldn't have found her that way. Someone could have gotten in and forced her to write the notes with threats of hurting her mother. On the other hand, the lady looked like she was horribly depressed.

 

[Liz]

Exactly my thoughts, Vicki. Unless she hated her mother, I cannot see doing that where your seventy-something year old mom would discover your hanging body!

If she were coerced to write the suicide notes, I feel that the perp would have warned her that she better make them sound very convincing, because IF her mom or sis were to become suspicious and try to open up a can of worms, they would meet the same fate.

 

[Kim Ii]

Well, think about this. Let's suppose that Palfrey was forced to write those suicide notes.

Let's start out by saying to always trust your intuition, a big clue, since our society at large will tell us NOT to trust our intuition. It 's called trusting your heart...

Anyway, along with that...someone just posted that Palfrey's notes sounded a bit too formal. That's an intuitive thought -- something to think about.

All of you seem to be intuiting that it just wouldn't make sense for Palfrey to have committed suicide and then have her poor 70 some year old mother find her. Doesn't make sense...

BUT...it would make sense if this was set up in such a way as a warning for the mother. Keep her mouth shut...she most likely knows a few things as well, don't you think? So finding your daughter's body could be a clear signal that you had better keep your mouth shut, or this could happen to you...

Look, these political hired gun types don't mess around. They mean business. People are hired and trained to do these things...as disgusting as that may sound to us.

It happens.

 

[Kim Ii]

Here's an interesting new article on the Alex Jones website re: handwriting analysis of Palfrey's 'suicide' note:

Here is the link, with a snip to follow:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2008/050708_suicide_note.htm

AND A SNIP:

"The manager of an Orlando condo building where Deborah Jean Palfrey, also known as the D.C. Madam, owned a unit disputes the alleged suicide notes that were published in the media - after witnessing examples of her handwriting going back years Joe Strizack concludes, "That is not her signature."

"She could sign her signature a hundred times and it would be identical," Strizack told a local NBC news station. "That is not her signature."

"Strizack looked over the suicide notes, but he questioned if the notes were actually written by Palfrey, and if they were, he thinks they may have been written under duress," according to the report."

"Strizack remains convinced that Palfrey's demeanor immediately before she allegedly took her own life betrayed no sign that she was contemplating suicide."

"Monday morning a woman tells you that she’s afraid for her life, she told me several instances where people we following her, and Thursday she’s dead," Strizack said. "What do you think? If someone would put a hit out for her and if someone wanted something done they could do it."

 

[JBean]

Is that the property manager that is analyzing the handwriting?!I am sorry but that is just nonsensical.
I have decided that in the scheme of things, she wasn't important enough to murder. I think some websites are just sensationalizing a tragic suicide.
The joke in DC is that she was depressed after the Spitzer debacle because she found out what a real call girl operation was.Not my joke, just a DC joke.
I think she fancied herself as much more controversial and sought after than she truly was. JMHO of course.

ETA: I am actually starting to think she set this whole thing up.

 

[southcitymom]

Is that the property manager that is analyzing the handwriting?!I am sorry but that is just nonsensical.
I have decided that in the scheme of things, she wasn't important enough to murder. I think some websites are just sensationalizing a tragic suicide.
The joke in DC is that she was depressed after the Spitzer dabacle because she found out what a real call girl operation was.Not my joke, just a DC joke.
I think she fancied herself as much more controversial and sought after than she truly was. JMHO of course.

My thoughts exactly - like are Mom and sister wouldn't know better than him. Are they in on the conspiracy too? It makes for good reading, but I'm just not buying it.

 

[philamena]

SNIP

All of you seem to be intuiting that it just wouldn't make sense for Palfrey to have committed suicide and then have her poor 70 some year old mother find her. Doesn't make sense...

That is the one thing about the suicide that has me scratching my head.

Then I remember how a neighbor of mine called her son and told him she loved him, called her ex and shot herself in the head while he listened, knowing good and well that her 17 year old son would find her body. So yes, that happens.

 

[JBean]

Officials: Woman Found Hanging From Tree Died in Suicide
RESERVE, La. — Suicide has been ruled in the death of a woman found hanging from a tree branch in this southeastern Louisiana town, authorities said.
St. John the Baptist Parish Sheriff Wayne Jones said Tuesday that deputies found notes near the body and said detectives tentatively identified the woman as Paula Chenier of Reserve. Chenier has been missing for four weeks
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354392,00.html

MBA student committs suicide

Ghaziabad, May 8 (IANS) A 23-year-old management student committed suicide by hanging herself from a cei
ling fan of her house here after asking her mother to fetch food from the market, police said Wednesday
http://mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=local&newsid=77130
Girl kills self over sour relationship

LUCKNOW: A 21-year-old girl committed suicide by hanging herself on Monday. The girl was identified as Bhumika Gaur, a third year student of Amity University in the city. The incident was reported from Vinay Khand under Gomtinagar police circle.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ver_sour_relationship/articleshow/3013434.cms

 

[Kim Ii]

JBean,

I hadn't really read through that entire article that I just posted out of Prisonplanet, but sheesh, just now, after having read through it, I have to admit...it's a bit of a headscratcher...:waitasec:

I still say this case smells worse than a big pile of fish. I think I'll take some time and read up some more on this case.

 

[JBean]

JBean,

I hadn't really read through that entire article that I just posted out of Prisonplanet, but sheesh, just now, after having read through it, I have to admit...it's a bit of a headscratcher...:waitasec:

I still say this case smells worse than a big pile of fish. I think I'll take some time and read up some more on this case.

I hear ya Kim.
I agree I think it stinks too. I am doing the same (I mean researching)

 

[Kim Ii]

JBean/All,

Well, here you go. This link is to a recent article written by Wayne Madsen (please see my previous post re: Madsen's background/Bio)...he's good (investigative journalist).

Here is the link, with a snip to follow:

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20080503;

AND A SNIP:

..."WMR has previously reported that, from sources outside of Palfrey's circle of defense lawyers, that Pamela Martin clients included GOP presidential nominee John McCain, former Tennessee Senator Fred Thompson, and, via the Pamela Martin Baltimore connection, former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. Our sources on this can now be revealed to have been individuals with close connections to the CIA."

"In fact, it is a certainty that one of the actual "corporate clients" of the PMA agency was the CIA itself. Palfrey's escorts included college professors, a naval officer, a legal secretary for one of Washington's top international law firms, essentially those who would be reliable to pick up needed intelligence from a designated target. PMA's clients included as many foreign political and business leaders as American ones. It was the potential for blackmail and seeking favors that made PMA, in business for over 13 years, a favorite for the CIA. No other escort agency in the Washington area provided the top-level credentials possessed by PMA. For that reason, PMA was the agency of choice for the CIA, as well as for Halliburton when it was headed by Dick Cheney. Cheney was also a client of the PMA service."

"On September 1, 2007, WMR reported the following: "WMR has learned that on August 31, Deborah Jeane Palfrey, the indicted Pamela Martin & Associates (PMA) proprietor, filed a 'Motion for Pretrial Conference to Consider Matters Relating to classified information' under the 'Classified Information Procedures Act' (CIPA) with the U.S. District Court in Washington, DC. The purpose of the filing alerts the government that Palfrey's defense will likely involved the disclosure of evidence and identities presently deemed 'classified" by the U.S. government.'"

 

[JBean]

Oh thanks Kim..I'll read it.

ugh your link doesn't work. Why does that always happen to you?!

 

[JBean]

what I still don't understand is why she was not brought up pimping and pandering charges as well. the wya it was explained was that usually they convict you on that first and then that leads to the RICO and other serious fed charges.