Adult Entertainment Industry: Case related

[Justiceforever]

There's a big difference if you are not having sex with the 4- 5 clients you see but are with an arangment like that.

Joesph Brewer said he and SG DID NOT HAVE SEX. This is not hard for me to believe, but seems impossible for people with preconceived notions that escort=prostitute.
I am willing to give SG the benefit of the doubt that she wasn't necessaryily selling sex. There are other services that escorts offer.

 

[Redbird]

It sounds to me, based on what I have read here, that most of the women were charging between $150 and $200 for an hour with one client. So that means that to get $1,000 they would have to see at least 5 if not 6.5 customers. In what, 4 or so hours? Really, what is the difference?

What is the difference between being treated like a human being and being treated like a piece of meat?

 

[Justiceforever]

For all we know, these women that were killed were the ones who wouldn't have SEX for money and THIS is why they were killed! An angry client. "I'll be damned if I'm going to spend my money and not get what I EXPECT!"

 

[Justiceforever]

We know ALC wasn't having sex with the client that felt robbed. He wanted revenge, but DS was there to protect her and put his ******* out. I'm sure with no refunds, which is why he felt robbed!

 

[Aleph]

It sounds to me, based on what I have read here, that most of the women were charging between $150 and $200 for an hour with one client. So that means that to get $1,000 they would have to see at least 5 if not 6.5 customers. In what, 4 or so hours? Really, what is the difference?

Safety.

 

[Aleph]

There's a big difference if you are not having sex with the 4- 5 clients you see but are with an arangment like that.

Joesph Brewer said he and SG DID NOT HAVE SEX. This is not hard for me to believe, but seems impossible for people with preconceived notions that escort=prostitute.
I am willing to give SG the benefit of the doubt that she wasn't necessaryily selling sex. There are other services that escorts offer.

What other services? Keeping someone company?

 

[PreciousDust]

What other services? Keeping someone company?

They play cards. JB and SG supposedly played some cards. If it was late at night and you couldn't sleep, wouldn't you call someone 50 miles away to come over and play rummy with you for 200 dollars an hour? I know I would. Without mentioning who won the card game, though, I do believe JB told police that the reason they didn't have sex was that JB started to wonder if SG was a transvestite, and he just wanted her to leave.

 

[Justiceforever]

This isn't about me this is @ the victims, who I am inclined to believe despite popular opinion @what it is to be an escort, may or may not have chose to sell sex. I believe that these women may have said NO...that's NOT what I offer! Consequently resulting in there death!

 

[Justiceforever]

They play cards. JB and SG supposedly played some cards. If it was late at night and you couldn't sleep, wouldn't you call someone 50 miles away to come over and play rummy with you for 200 dollars an hour? I know I would. Without mentioning who won the card game, though, I do believe JB told police that the reason they didn't have sex was that JB started to wonder if SG was a transvestite, and he just wanted her to leave.

NO, in fact most cients intentions are to have sex, some not. It doesn't matter what the clients intentions are! It matters what the provider is providing!

If JB after two plus hours of SG s company, didn't KNOW if she was a man, that tells me that she did NOT have sex with him! She was buying time, trying to get paid for as much time as she could. Him not wanting to pay her speaks volumes!

 

[PreciousDust]

She was buying time, trying to get paid for as much time as she could.

Well, that could be. Could also be that they did have sex, maybe more than once. Could also be that JB decided he didn't like SG, just like he said. There's no way to know, and there's not even any clues to allow for a good guess.

 

[Justiceforever]

What other services? Keeping someone company?

Services such as partial/fully nude body massage, role playing, erotic theater (mutual masterbation) (you touch you, I touch me) This is what some woman offer in the business, and whether or not the client wants more, they do not cross those boundries! It's a hustle! ALOT of clients get pissed. For a woman who is two steps ahead of the game it 's money!

It's not a safe game to play! Believe me!

That's why I have to wonder if these women weren't playing that game and ran into a client that wasn't having it!

 

[Justiceforever]

Well, that could be. Could also be that they did have sex, maybe more than once. Could also be that JB decided he didn't like SG, just like he said. There's no way to know, and there's not even any clues to allow for a good guess.

If they had sex more than once...HOW could he NOT know if she was a guy?!? HELLO?!?

 

[PreciousDust]

If they had sex more than once...HOW could he NOT know if she was a guy?!? HELLO?!?

Cut out that "hello" nonsense. You don't know, and I don't know, if they had sex or not. There are no clues. He might be lying about thinking she was a transvestite - they could have had a grand old time swinging from the chandeliers, we simply don't know. Maybe he was too coked up to perform. Maybe SG was an escort who didn't put out. Or maybe he thought she was a transvestite. We don't know.

 

[LINative13]

What I can do with $1000:

Buy fuel oil
Partially fill the diesel tank in my boat
Pay 2 months if car payment
Pay 6 months of car insurance
Throw a *****ing party in the backyard
Open/close my pool
Purchase the chemicals for my pool
Kick in partially for mortgage
Buy groceries for 2 months
Buy GF earrings
Goto Peter Lugers with my buddies
Fill up my car gas tank for 10 weeks


I still think $1000 is a lot of money.

Or someone could blow it in 2days on cocaine

 

[LINative13]

Cut out that "hello" nonsense. You don't know, and I don't know, if they had sex or not. There are no clues. He might be lying about thinking she was a transvestite - they could have had a grand old time swinging from the chandeliers, we simply don't know. Maybe he was too coked up to perform. Maybe SG was an escort who didn't put out. Or maybe he thought she was a transvestite. We don't know.

Or maybe they had sex and the guy don't wanna admit to a crime in a newspaper.

 

[MoonUnderfoot]

This is the type of arguement that most clients come up with when they can't imagine why a provider won't do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING for their hard earned money. The belief is...I busted my butt for this money, so you should too. I think not buddy!

I'm glad I'm not alone in this. :what:
Really though Justice, providers and the rest of the world will always have a divided view if what they think we should do, what we think we should do, and what we actually do.

Just like I don't understand have the **** that goes through a johns head, I in no way have expectations for anyone to understand what we may think as providers. You never know what you'd do or think til it's YOU in that position. (Not you specifically, but you know. )

 

[MoonUnderfoot]

There's a big difference if you are not having sex with the 4- 5 clients you see but are with an arangment like that.

Joesph Brewer said he and SG DID NOT HAVE SEX. This is not hard for me to believe, but seems impossible for people with preconceived notions that escort=prostitute.
I am willing to give SG the benefit of the doubt that she wasn't necessaryily selling sex. There are other services that escorts offer.

I've been paid to go to bars with men, go to breakfast, lunch, dinner, movies, dancing. I've gone to pool parties, 4th of July parties, and BBQs. I've gone to birthday parties, mall excursions, and so forth. All of these events I mention, were things I was PAID for, and no sexual contact was made at all. These guys simply wanted someone to spend time with. So it is NOT impossible to think Shannan was there to just keep company. Although it may not seem logical to MOST outside the bizz, it makes sense to the people who have been there before. You are absolutely correct JF.

 

[Just K]

Let's get back to the real issue, the GB4 were selling sex. We have three out of four of their ads. AC and his counterpart RB are known pimps as is KW, JT's "boyfriend." And JohnnyT, MBB's boyfriend, well the jury is still out on him. Rent a room at the Best Western to meet men just to hang out in the trashy room, in Manhattan... or the warehouse district of Suffolk County ...hummm... I don't believe that. And then there are the "hobbyists." They are paying people who call themselves massage therapists, strippers and escorts to have some kind of sex with them. They are paying money for sex and someone is receiving the money.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Let's get back to the real issue, the GB4 were selling sex. We have three out of four of their ads. AC and his counterpart RB are known pimps as is KW, JT's "boyfriend." And JohnnyT, MBB's boyfriend, well the jury is still out on him. Rent a room at the Best Western to meet men just to hang out in the trashy room, in Manhattan... or the warehouse district of Suffolk County ...hummm... I don't believe that. And then there are the "hobbyists." They are paying people who call themselves massage therapists, strippers and escorts to have some kind of sex with them. They are paying money for sex and someone is receiving the money.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Someone is selling, someone is buying. And regardless of what is being bought and sold, it occurs between consenting adults, so I don't much care. I do care when a girl is murdered and dumped on a desolate beach, though, because that's not anything anyone signs up for.

JMO

 

[Justiceforever]

So then, dismiss completely the theory that these women may have been killed because they didn't go along with the program?