Adult Entertainment Industry: Case related

[Samantha Spade]

Care to elaborate on what you mean by "train"?

GWM,
According to Urban dictionary, a train (in the context I believe Just K is referring to) means:





A group of guys stand in a line outside a room. One by one, they enter the room to have sex with one girl inside. The line must have at least 7 guys to be qualified as a train.

"What's this line for?"
"We're running a train! Go to the back of the line."
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[Just K]

So, now that the unofficial definition is here....
What would be the fee for a pre-arranged "run"? The UG members spoke of arranging such things.

 

[wengr]

How would someone know for sure if a cell phone was brought along or not?
And what is the likelyhood that there is really no methodology at all?
Maybe it's nothing more than someone frequently engaging escorts, and murdering some, when whim and opportunity coincide?

 

[Justiceforever]

I asked this question on the "Breaking News for Real" thread and got no response. So I will try again:

Question for anyone in the know:

Would a "train" be worth $900, $1000 or even $1500? Perhaps that was the "arrangement" being proposed. Thus, no camera/cellphone was allowed to protect the clients' identities?

I won't even dignify this question with an answer. SMH

 

[Just K]

I won't even dignify this question with an answer. SMH

But it is very significant. These women were offered a large amount of money. Morrie and his crew speak of such services being agreed to by certain providers. If it is customary to charge $1000 for a train then maybe that was the request...if so, that limits the number of possible suspects. We know that MB deposited $900 the day before she went missing, ALC was offered $1500 for something and we don't know if MW or MBB left for a large sum of money but we know that MBB was robbed of somewhere between 800 and $900. Her sister stated on the MBB thread that she did make her money back.

 

[Justiceforever]

I'm sorry Justk, it's not that it's not a legitimate question. I just find it offensive to think that $1000.00 or any amount of money would intice a woman to degrade herself in such a manner. So to answer your question from my point of veiw...there is NO amount of money.
Obviously I can't speak for everybody in the adult entertainment industry, but I can speak for myself. Honestly in 12 yrs of promoting and engaging in adult entertainment, I have never even had a request for it, so I don't believe there IS a going rate for it. JMVHO

 

[Tugela]

Never heard of that either, it is definitely not mainstream. Most clients avoid each other like the plague.

 

[Redbird]

I also think the question is very offensive and shows disdain for these women. Didn't we see ads where they advertised all nighters for $1000 or so. Don't you think if they received a single payment of $900 or $1000 (and there is no way we can know that for sure), it was probably for an all night session? Surely most men would find a "train" offensive as well.

 

[CriminalMinds]

But it is very significant. These women were offered a large amount of money. Morrie and his crew speak of such services being agreed to by certain providers. If it is customary to charge $1000 for a train then maybe that was the request...if so, that limits the number of possible suspects. We know that MB deposited $900 the day before she went missing, ALC was offered $1500 for something and we don't know if MW or MBB left for a large sum of money but we know that MBB was robbed of somewhere between 800 and $900. Her sister stated on the MBB thread that she did make her money back.

that amount is generally for overnight or 2 day session, like a weekend--"trains" are generally -shoot based scenarios

 

[Just K]

This thread came about due to a discussion about the offensive nature of the comments of the men at UG & LIE. There are many offensive comments and acts discussed by this group that enjoyed doing all types of offensive group activities. If we are to get to the root of these offensive murders then we would be amiss not to consider the possibility that the killer asked for some offensive service. IMO, BDSM in a group setting is equally as offensive and we know that many escorts attend and advertise re: these services.

Having been here, discussing this case for TWO YEARS now, maybe it is time to really discuss the dark side of this industry...because no doubt that is the environment that the killer is either a part of or rebelling against. We have seen many examples of offensive acts, deeds, and desires of some of the men on the periphery of this case. I'm not sure why we would exclude one of the obvious subjects that have been discussed by the same men that disparaged ALC & her sister.

 

[Justiceforever]

This thread came about due to a discussion about the offensive nature of the comments of the men at UG & LIE. There are many offensive comments and acts discussed by this group that enjoyed doing all types of offensive group activities. If we are to get to the root of these offensive murders then we would be amiss not to consider the possibility that the killer asked for some offensive service. IMO, BDSM in a group setting is equally as offensive and we know that many escorts attend and advertise re: these services.

Having been here, discussing this case for TWO YEARS now, maybe it is time to really discuss the dark side of this industry...because no doubt that is the environment that the killer is either a part of or rebelling against. We have seen many examples of offensive acts, deeds, and desires of some of the men on the periphery of this case. I'm not sure why we would exclude one of the obvious subjects that have been discussed by the same men that disparaged ALC & her sister.

Admittedly you have a point. To be honest I haven't spent much time exploring the ccc angle for the very reason that it is all so offensive. Maybe it is time to set those feelings aside and as you said explore the

dark side of the industry. Pretending it doesn't exist make it not exist.

 

[genericwhitemale]

I think your heart is in the right place LINative13. I get what you're saying. The devil is in the details, as they say. I am also expanding my views on the subject and widening my perception to new, different possibilities. Money was obviously a big motivator for the victims. I think by Moon referring to her former clientele as "scumbags" she is subconsciously trying to downplay her role in the scenario. Let's keep it real, girl!

 

[genericwhitemale]

I'm sorry Justk, it's not that it's not a legitimate question. I just find it offensive to think that $1000.00 or any amount of money would intice a woman to degrade herself in such a manner. So to answer your question from my point of veiw...there is NO amount of money.
Obviously I can't speak for everybody in the adult entertainment industry, but I can speak for myself. Honestly in 12 yrs of promoting and engaging in adult entertainment, I have never even had a request for it, so I don't believe there IS a going rate for it. JMVHO

Perhaps. But $1,000 to those that work an honest job is a lot of cake! Come on now, Justice. Let's be realistic.

 

[genericwhitemale]

I bet our perp set up the weekend type dates that others have mentioned already. Build up the trust and then drop the guillotine. Moon, how much was your going rate for a 3 day weekend session?

 

[LINative13]

Moon: Prostitutes are known to deal drugs to their clients. Do you thiunk that one of the girls could have been selling a bag and getin snatched by the drug addict they were selling too?

 

[genericwhitemale]

Were the carriage drivers initials MP?

 

[LINative13]

Perhaps. But $1,000 to those that work an honest job is a lot of cake! Come on now, Justice. Let's be realistic.

1000 bucks is 1000 bucks. No matter how much money you make you have to respect it.

 

[genericwhitemale]

1000 bucks is 1000 bucks. No matter how much money you make you have to respect it.

Touché.

 

[Justiceforever]

Perhaps. But $1,000 to those that work an honest job is a lot of cake! Come on now, Justice. Let's be realistic.

$1000.00 is NOT ALOT of money! HELLO!

 

[LINative13]

Its not? I think it is; and I probably make alot more than you.