Aeromexico plane crashes just after take off in Mexico, 31 July 2018

[margarita25]

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[CARIIS]

Look how pretty she is listen to her engines

dialog is (on both ) directly from the cockpit voice recorder

I remember Teds broadcast that night

 

[CARIIS]

You have got to be kidding me

Isnt that nice not to charge a ticket change fee !

Passenger Protection Policy for those affected by the incident in Durango
Applies to passengers with confirmed Aeromexico or interline tickets (AM001 - AM2999 and AM 8500-8899)

All passengers holding tickets to / from all our domestic routes and tickets to / from Durango (DGO) will not be charged for a change in departure or return dates, or for a flight change, so long as those changes are made within the dates mentioned below.

*In the event that no tickets are available in the previously booked cabin, any fare difference will be covered so long as the ticket is for the original booked route.

*Passengers will not be charged a ticket reissue fee.

*A change in route is permitted for tickets to / from Durango wherein the requested change is to / from Torreon.

*For all other domestic routes, a change is permitted in the event that the fare difference between the original and new ticket is paid at time of booking.

*If the passenger opts not to use their ticket at this time, the ticket will be valid from one year of its issue date.

*Seat assignment and baggage fees will also be waived.

This policy applies to tickets with the following flight dates: July 31 and August 1, 2018.

Travel period ending: August 7, 2018.

Applies only for tickets issued up to and including: July 31, 2018.

Tickets issued after this date will not be accepted.

Any changes to this policy will be issued via this same means.


Regarding the accident of flight AM2431, We're continuing to provide assistance to the passengers, crew members, and their families. Six of the 17 passengers who were hospitalized have been discharged today and 11 are still receiving medical care in different hospitals.

From the beginning, we've offered passengers the option of being transferred to specialized hospitals within Mexico or abroad, with the purpose of ensuring that they receive the best medical care possible. The latter is subject to the patient and relatives decision.

Such is the case of the 8-year-old minor who suffered first and second-degree burns. She was transferred along with her family early this Friday morning, via air ambulance to Chicago, Illinois, where she is from.

The crew members are all recovering well and only one of them remains in the hospital, and after a surgical procedure his condition is improving.

We'd like to thank the local and federal authorities, as well as the medical staff for their extraordinary work in the emergency response. Our most sincere gratitude to all the media, as well as everyone in Mexico and abroad for their support and well wishes for the passengers and crew members.

Direct line for passengers and families of flight AM2431:

1 866 205 4084 from abroad / (55) 51 33 40 59 in Mexico

Press contact: +52 55 5554 5419

Aeromexico

 

[CARIIS]

Delete (sorry tech probs)

humm humm

is that my scooter??

 

[Hatfield]

I do remain surprised at the |miracle" angle of this story as more facts come out

Actually many survive in a lot of crashes. So much is about structural integrity as the crash sequence goes on. Smoke is a huge killer - cant see to get out and the fumes from the iterior can be tocic. Much has been done regarding materials in aircraft. She was just a baby (age wise and had many of these improvements) A huge thing they did was change the G forces the legs on the seats can tolerate that is huge.


If you look at her she was actually totally intact at the end of the sequence.

All were already out by the time the fire did its thing with the fuselage.

A lot of stuff is coming out now questioning leaving. Once that happens , on the takeoff roll all aircraft cross a point of no return. Each takeoff is calculated with fuel number on board winds runway conditions to get a speed for each flight on each takeoff roll.

Its called V1. rotate V2 It is the speed on the runway that no matter what happens the flight crew must continue to with attempting to get the aircraft into the air. Does not matter what happens. The pilot not flying calls out V1 to pilot flying. After that there is another little time that passes to allow it to get to the next calculation - where the aircraft has enough air speed to lift the nose gear off the runway.

When that speed is hit the non flying pilot yells out commands . Then shortly after that they call out rotate - that means the pilot flying pulls back and she takes to the sky!!

There runway roll was long which makes me thing they had passed v1 and the machine took a little longer to hit the callout speed cause of weather . Or to put it another way they had passed the callout and had no other choice - they were committed to flight.

They had little distance to fall down - impacting speed at impact - structure more intact .

here is what it looks like::

notice capt flying keeps hands on throttle until the first call out - no need to have your hands on them after first callout you are dedicated to flying it off the runway!

They will know from recorder if they already hit V1 they did the right thing at that point

will also will probably hear a windshear yell out by the computer - that is just a serious warning that your gonna get a lot of changes of in speed changes

windshear is fascinating . WInd behind the aircraft (tailwind) suddenly pushes the plane forward real quick and their airspeed soars unexpectedly..the nose rises . The instantly try to put the nose down a bit . But then the wind shifts again suddenly and they are in a headwind. This makes the nose fall

So they are putting the nose a bit at first and then suddenly the headwind hits and the response to that is to pull up a bit - it is all so fast but they already have the nose headed down and then suddenly what they need is to pull it up

After delta 191 they really trained flight crews to be ready for the switches

tid bits

captain most seriously injured aboard

Seventeen people were still receiving medical attention Thursday.

Thanks Cariis for joining and sharing the informative pieces of information. Very interesting stuff.

 

[CARIIS]

Thanks Cariis for joining and sharing the informative pieces of information. Very interesting stuff.

ty

i love chatting commercial aviation!!

at times i tell myself i better shut up and then i tell myself they are fine were all a curious bunch and i love reading stuff that i did not know!!

 

[CARIIS]

• 
  Grupo Aeromexico Transported a record 2 million 86 thousand passengers in July; a 6.5% year-on-year increase. International passenger numbers increased by 5.7%, while 7.1%.
  

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• Demand, measured in Revenue Passenger Kilometers (RPKs), (they take the number of passengers by the miles flown) increased by 6.3%, year-on-year.
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• Aeromexico's capacity, measured in available seat kilometers (ASKs), (the number of seats available times (X)the miles flown) increased by 5.9% year-on-year.

load factor was 88.3 %- that's solid - )average number of seats taken)

Aeromexico Reports July 2018 Traffic Results

 

[CARIIS]

David Gleave, a U.K.-based crash investigator and air safety consultant, said the absence of fatalities reflected the relatively low speed of the impact, as well as decades of work in improving aircraft design.

“It’s not a miracle,” he said. “This is a design-based accident that should be survivable. We’ve worked long and hard in the industry to ensure that an event like this is something that people can walk away from, that the seats don't slide forward on impact, that limbs are protected. The safety of passengers is no accident.”


Flammability,
crashworthiness of the seats,
greater protection of fuel tanks and lines

plus others are all technical advances which have reduced the risks to aircraft occupants. It is fair to say that the design of this aircraft under the current certification standards contributed to the safe evacuation.

She was just a teenager (!) and had all sorts of new mandates aboard!

It's actually getting to be more typical, more the rule than the exception," Schiavo said, noting that no one dies in 87% of air crashes, according to the International Civil Aviation Organization.

"It's the science of crashworthiness that has really improved over the last 20 years to help people survive a crash," Schiavo said. "Before then, you used to think a plane crash (meant) everyone would die. Not so anymore."

The do all sorts of amazing testing

Engine test bed (not the accident aircraft- I picked the super duper A380 engine test bed !)

She is two stories of seats!

Rain hail and birds !

Crashworthiness OK, Aeromexico Crash A+++ Exit | JDA Journal

Experts say full survival rates in air crashes grow more common - CNN

 

[margarita25]

ty

i love chatting commercial aviation!!

at times i tell myself i better shut up and then i tell myself they are fine were all a curious bunch and i love reading stuff that i did not know!!

Toootalllyyyy!!

 

[CARIIS]

Everyone is suing now -- anyone ever heard of anyone suing someone for an earthquake tornado etc etc!

For those that believe in god who did mother nature I don't think he will appear in court

modern jetliners have been taking off in inclement weather since the wright brothers

 

[CARIIS]

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[CARIIS]

I wonder if history can be set at 20 or something if there is a space deal?

NOT a space deal as in buying a new car on Pluto!