GUILTY Afghanistan - US Soldier guns down 16 civilians, 2012 Kandahar massacre

  • #61
http://www.centurylink.net/news/rea...org>&news_id=18857210&src=most_popular_viewed

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan (AP) — An Afghan man recounted Monday the harrowing tale of how an American soldier on a killing spree burst into his home in the middle of the night, searched the rooms, then dropped to a knee and shot his father in the thigh as he emerged from a bedroom.
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Sunday's attack in southern Kandahar province comes as anti-Americanism already is boiling over in Afghanistan after U.S. troops burned Qurans last month and a video of Marines urinating on alleged Taliban corpses was posted on the Internet in January.

Now, another wave of anti-foreigner hatred could threaten the future of the U.S.-led coalition's mission in Afghanistan. The events have not only infuriated its people and leaders, but have also raised doubts among U.S. political figures that the long and costly war is worth the sacrifice in lives and money.
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The soldier, who has been in the military for 11 years, served three tours in Iraq and is married with two children, was being held in pretrial confinement in Kandahar by the U.S. military while Army officials review his complete deployment and medical history, according to the source.
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Villager Mohammad Zahir told how he watched the soldier enter his house and move through it methodically, checking each room.

"I heard a gunshot. When I came out of my room, somebody entered our house. He was in a NATO forces uniform. I didn't see his face because it was dark," he said.

Zahir, 26, said he quickly went to a part of the house where animals are penned.

"After that, I saw him moving to different areas of the house — like he was searching," he said.

His father, unarmed, then took a few steps out of his bedroom, Zahir recalled.

"He was not holding anything — not even a cup of tea," Zahir said. Then the soldier fired.

"I love my father, but I was sure that if I came out he would shoot me too. So I waited." Zahir said. His mother started pulling his father into the room, and he helped cover his father's bullet wound with a cloth. Zahir's father survived.

After the gunman left, Zahir said he heard more gunshots near the house, and he stayed in hiding for a few minutes to make sure he was gone.
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Currently, American service members in Afghanistan are subject to U.S. military law and proceedings. But the parliamentarians said they want this changed in the document under negotiation. The U.S. is unlikely to agree to that issue, pulling out of Iraq when Baghdad demanded the right to prosecute U.S. forces.
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U.S.-led forces in Afghanistan have stepped up security following the shootings out of concern about retaliatory attacks. The U.S. Embassy has also warned American citizens in Afghanistan about the possibility of reprisals. As standard practice, the coalition increased security following the shootings out of concern about retaliatory attacks, said German Brig. Gen. Carsten Jacobson, a coalition spokesman.
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Some Afghan officials and villagers expressed doubt that a single U.S. soldier could have carried out all the killings and burned the bodies afterward. Some villagers also told officials there were multiple soldiers and heard shooting from different directions. But many others said they only saw a single soldier.

Lt. Col. Jimmie Cummings, another spokesman for the coalition, insisted there was only one gunman.

"There's no indication that there was more than one shooter," he said.

Agha Lalia, member of the Kandahar provincial council who is from Panjwai district, said he spoke to two people who were injured in the shooting at a hospital at Kandahar Air Field, where they are being treated by coalition medical personnel. Both said they only saw one soldier shooting.


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  • #62
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As if Koran burning wasn't enough, over the weekend an American soldier went on a shooting rampage killing 16 innocent Afghans including women and children. According to reports, the carnage took place in Kandahar Province, Afghanistan early Sunday morning where the unnamed soldier broke into three homes killing the inhabitants and later setting the bodies on fire. The US Army Staff Sergeant later turned himself in and President Obama has issued an apology for the incident. Jake Diliberto, US Marine and RT blogger, joins us to take a deeper look into the growing anti-US sentiment in Afghanistan.
 
  • #63
38 years old? Ok No way did he enlist at 18 years old. The cut off is I believe 26 years old. So lets assume he entered the Army at 26, that means he is a 12 year staff Sgt. That says a lot right there. A person who couldn't make rank, either by poor testing, or he had prior disciplinary problems
 
  • #64
38 years old? Ok No way did he enlist at 18 years old. The cut off is I believe 26 years old. So lets assume he entered the Army at 26, that means he is a 12 year staff Sgt. That says a lot right there. A person who couldn't make rank, either by poor testing, or he had prior disciplinary problems

I am scratching my head too. He has been in 12 years and was only deployed 3 times? Seems to me like he should have been on his 5th or 6th deployment, but I am basing that the guys I know that signed up right after 9/11 sooo... many questions to be answered I guess
:moo:
 
  • #65
I am scratching my head too. He has been in 12 years and was only deployed 3 times? Seems to me like he should have been on his 5th or 6th deployment, but I am basing that the guys I know that signed up right after 9/11 sooo... many questions to be answered I guess
:moo:

It also depends on how long the deployments are. Army typical deployments are 12-15 months boots on the ground. It was reported this was his 4th tour in 10 years. That's almost every other year, 12-15 months, sent home then sent back again.

Four tours in 10 years, I had a feeling it was going to be something like this.
On top of so many deployments this soldier possibly suffering brain injuries. It does sound combat related.

I'm not excusing it, he will face justice.

We need to get them all out of there and bring them home. It's been long enough.

SO many soldiers there are now in even more danger because of this.
 
  • #66
38 years old? Ok No way did he enlist at 18 years old. The cut off is I believe 26 years old. So lets assume he entered the Army at 26, that means he is a 12 year staff Sgt. That says a lot right there. A person who couldn't make rank, either by poor testing, or he had prior disciplinary problems

12 years isn't bad for Staff Sgt. Is it?
 
  • #67
  • #68
E-6 after 12 years? I'm not impressed... but that may be typical.
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theorderlyroom/l/blenlrank.htm

I have known guys to get to E-4 in less than 3 years.
Sure seems like in an additonal 9 years his rank would be higher.
It all depends on troop strength and job openings. You don't advance just because of time in. Staff Sgt is half way to the top of the enlisted grade. I think a lot of people retire at that. Each rank up has less and less job openings.
 
  • #69
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/airforcejoin/l/blafbenefits.htm

The grade of rank closely parallels that of the sergeant in duties and responsibilities. In fact, the basic duties and responsibility of all the NCO ranks never change, but there are differences, significant differences, between this step in the NCO structure and the preceding one.

Understanding these differences is vital. The staff sergeant is a more experienced leader of soldiers. The staff sergeant has considerably more time in the Army than the sergeant. It is proper to expect that the staff sergeant can bring the benefits of that experience to bear in any situation and under all circumstances.

The major difference between the staff sergeant and the sergeant is not, as often mistakenly believed, authority, but rather sphere of influence. The staff sergeant is in daily contact with large numbers of soldiers and generally has more equipment and other property to maintain.

The staff sergeant will often have one or more sergeants who work under his direct leadership. The staff sergeant is responsible for their continued successful development as well as that of other soldiers in the section, squad or team.
 
  • #70
There is no doubt this soldier lost it. To walk off base alone shows he wasn't in his right mind. While a lot of soldiers are fed up with their long tours they still respect the job. Killing children is not something they take or do easily. The rate of suicide amongst soldiers coming back from Afghanistan and Iraq is alarming. I hope the Afgan people can find it in their heart to forgive this soldier. War is not a pretty thing, we kill our own people by mistake, why we call it "friendly fire" always baffled me. I hope the Afgan people realize this is a isolated incident and he will suffer with this for the rest of his life.
 
  • #71
38 years old? Ok No way did he enlist at 18 years old. The cut off is I believe 26 years old. So lets assume he entered the Army at 26, that means he is a 12 year staff Sgt. That says a lot right there. A person who couldn't make rank, either by poor testing, or he had prior disciplinary problems

My husband enlisted at 32, so 26 is not the cut off. It isn't difficult to reach E-4, but E-6 would be quite a bit harder, especially as the forces are trying to find ways to shed soldiers now that we're winding down our wars. Many soldiers never rise above E-6, as E-7 is a whole different ball game and there are very few positions open. It's perfectly normal to serve out to retirement at E-6.
Unless this guy was actually psychotic, hearing voices and seeing hallucinations, he needs to be prosecuted under the death penalty. The military hasn't executed anyone since 1961, but I have no doubt they'll execute him, unless he's insane.
 
  • #72
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A series of horrible actions continued over the weekend in Afghanistan, 16 innocent Afghans were killed by a US soldier. The anti-American sentiment has been growing worse after incidents where the US military burned copies of the Koran and a video showcasing US Marines peeing on dead Afghans. Over the weekend an American soldier went on a tear slaying many including women and children. According to one witness, the US Army Staff Sergeant set the bodies' ablaze. The slaughter which took place in Kandahar province ended with the soldier turning himself in and admitting to the crimes. President Obama has issued an apology for the incident. Michael O'Brien, author of America's Failure in Iraq, joins us to analyze why incidents like these continue in the unpopular war.
 
  • #73
Now you got to ask, shouldn't this soldier have been discharged honorably after his traumatic brain injury? Maybe at the least not returned to a theater of war?

"We're going to look into all of that," General John Allen, who commands U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan, told CNN on Monday, declining to comment further on the mental state of the soldier suspected in Sunday's attack. A U.S. official told Reuters that the staff sergeant had suffered a traumatic brain injury in a vehicle rollover in 2010 in Iraq, and was treated and returned to duty.


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/seeking-roots-u-soldiers-shooting-rampage-004248437.html
 
  • #74
Now you got to ask, shouldn't this soldier have been discharged honorably after his traumatic brain injury? Maybe at the least not returned to a theater of war?

"We're going to look into all of that," General John Allen, who commands U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan, told CNN on Monday, declining to comment further on the mental state of the soldier suspected in Sunday's attack. A U.S. official told Reuters that the staff sergeant had suffered a traumatic brain injury in a vehicle rollover in 2010 in Iraq, and was treated and returned to duty.


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/seeking-roots-u-soldiers-shooting-rampage-004248437.html

And what would have that accomplished except he would have been in US and still allowed to carry arms? I wish we could just give him to Afghans and let them put him on trial.
 
  • #75
And what would have that accomplished except he would have been in US and still allowed to carry arms? I wish we could just give him to Afghans and let them put him on trial.

Don't look now but there are plenty of veterans around who carry arms. What your saying about an Afghan trial is lets put him to death. Maybe so but more than likely it will be done by a U.S. court martial.
 
  • #76
And what would have that accomplished except he would have been in US and still allowed to carry arms? I wish we could just give him to Afghans and let them put him on trial.

It would have accomplished him not being sent back into combat, after a traumatic brain injury and trouble reintegrating, when he already had 3 previous deployments.

He would have been in the U.S. where he could have been continuing treatment for all of the above.

Even if he had gone nuts here, like a few other soldiers from his base, it wouldn't have sparked vows of revenge from an entire country.

Now his wife has to explain to his children that instead of helping people and coming home for Christmas... Daddy killed 9 kids and 7 adults.
I am not going to be one who hopes that she also has to explain that their people killed Daddy too.

I am horrified by this. It makes me sick. However, I haven't been a soldier and I'm not going to pass judgment on this guy.
 
  • #77
Don't look now but there are plenty of veterans around who carry arms. What your saying about an Afghan trial is lets put him to death. Maybe so but more than likely it will be done by a U.S. court martial.

I realize many veterans carry arms. And in quite a few instances I can name that didn't end well. And since he is accused of these crimes in their country why shouldn't they try him?
 
  • #78
I realize many veterans carry arms. And in quite a few instances I can name that didn't end well. And since he is accused of these crimes in their country why shouldn't they try him?

There is a defense called insanity and I think someone has to be pretty insane to shoot small children and burn their bodies. I don't know enough to know if this applies or if there was pre-meditation or was alcohol fueled etc. It's way too early to say, something wasn't right about this man. I think everything should be taken into consideration before putting him to death. That would not happen in an Afghan trial or should I say Sharia hearing.

Another thing, what can you say about a country that doesn't charge their own countrymen for placing IUD's along a roadside designed to kill people. Afghanistan is basically a lawless nation.
 
  • #79
There is a defense called insanity and I think someone has to be pretty insane to shoot small children and burn their bodies. I don't know enough to know if this applies or if there was pre-meditation or was alcohol fueled etc. It's way too early to say, something wasn't right about this man. I think everything should be taken into consideration before putting him to death. That would not happen in an Afghan trial or should I say Sharia hearing.

Another thing, what can you say about a country that doesn't charge their own countrymen for placing IUD's along a roadside designed to kill people. Afghanistan is basically a lawless nation.

I really dislike US insanity laws. They should be changed. In my opinion, a dangerous individual should not be send to a nice mental hospital from which doctors can release this individual after they declare him "cured."
 
  • #80
And what would have that accomplished except he would have been in US and still allowed to carry arms? I wish we could just give him to Afghans and let them put him on trial.

The legal system in Afghanistan is in turmoil right now. The Taliban has burned most of the law books and different factions are joggling for power in the law. There's not really an acceptable system for an American to be tried. If he's found sane, though, I can't say I'd care whether we handed him over or not.
 

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