Aggravated waiting for the aggravation phase #5

[Kentucky Gal]

If you're interesting in the Gosnell verdict, Fox News has a reporter there and they're covering it.

Thank you!

 

[Whack A Mole]

I came across a report (dang it, don't have link at hand) from the camera recovery forensics that stated that a total of six nude pictures were recovered. Two of Travis and four of CMJA. None were described that showed them both together. We've seen the two of Travis and two of Jodi. Based on the two we did see, the other four of Jodi are probably just as well not seen. lol

I think the assumption was that they were having sex that day (and I agree). But as far as I know, there is no in-the-act photo evidence.

There were 6. Two of Jodi, two of Jodi's........hummmm....private parts?, and two of Travis.

 

[Liebchenmutti]

But I still come back to the same place. If Travis believed Jodi was scamming him or going to blackmail him, why take the pictures? If you knew your girlfriend was slicing your tires and stalking you, would you let her back into your house and then take more pictures to give her even more evidence to blackmail you with? I'm stuck on this point because it doesn't make sense to me. Even if Travis was a total horn dog..... This woman sliced your tires, sent a vile email to someone you dated, and you bonk her? I'm confused.

He expected to live and to be able to delete any photos since it was his camera. Also, Jodi is a master manipulator & she knew Travis' weakness for sex. She made it seem to Travis that she was OK with having a purely sexual relationship with him. She is also a consummate liar--she was capable of looking him in the eye and apologizing for any crazy behavior & then seducing him.

She never tells the truth--she's always on the take. Travis was not aware of the true danger Jodi posed, even if he was aware she was jealous and stalking him.

Jodi was SHOCKED I think to see Det. Flores sit immune to her feminine wiles during her interrogation. She was pulling out all the stops with him--spreading her legs, leaning forward, baby voice, etc. He wasn't amused. That was new to Jodi--someone seeing through her immediately. That's why she hates Juan Martinez--another man who is not attracted to her or manipulated by her. She WAS able to manipulate Travis--and she made him feel safe enough on June 4, 2008 to let her into his home.

 

[Whack A Mole]

Thank you!

They were hung on two counts of the over 200 counts and the judge told them go back and keep working.

 

[kscornfed]

And forced sex is well within the list of characteristic behaviors attributed to women who stalk.

While I will acknowledge that Travis had succumbed to her sexual enticements in the past, his email of 5/26 and the conversations he had with others during the final weeks of his life lead me to believe that he was not a willing participant in any sexual intimacy that may have taken place that day.

how about a compromise? my theory is he was freaked out when she showed up. had no idea she was coming. she did all the things lil buddy thinks she did. it was late, they were tired. he agreed to let her stay the night. wakes him up with sex. he goes along with the program thinking 'man, if i can just get her out of here, i really am going to have to call a lawyer or the police about keeping her away!' he knew he'd never be sure she wasn't going to just pop in, no matter WHERE she was living. so he wasn't happy but thought he could handle it and get her out of there peacefully.
little did he know that wasn't going to happen.

 

[mollyf]

Has JSS ruled yet on the DT motion for videotaped Victim's Impact Statements? I thought I saw that it was denied, but now I can't find where I read that.

 

[Emmi]

Guess you can tell I was relying on comments here and never went to look at the photos. It's probably dumb but I've been reluctant to invade TA's privacy more than it already has been. Thanks, Emmi.

No, actually, I didn't know you haven't seen the photos. And, no, I certainly don't think it's dumb to be reluctant to look at them! They are awfully personal.

My point is simply that it's beyond a doubt that they had sex that day.

 

[gcharlie]

When he talks about the horrible panic filled death Travis endured, gasping for breath, it should seal Jodia Arias' fate.

KatieCool...if you're with us...

Do you know if Travis's family is planning to sit in court during the aggravation phase testimony? There is a big part of me that wants to mother them and tell them it would be best if they do not listen to this testimony.

The whole purpose of this is to let the jury know that Travis was aware and suffering during this unimaginable slaughter. It will be graphic and very detailed.

The fact that he was attacked first in the bathroom and then had his throat slit on the carpet at the end of the hallway, along with his defensive wounds shows that he tried to fight off and escape the attack. Those last two pictures with him bleeding on the floor were snapped in two different locations; one clearly shows tile as the floor and the last appears to be the carpet area. I agree with the DT saying he was not dead in the next to last picture as it shows tile and the blood from his slit throat indicates that this blow happened on the carpet.

It will be hard for anyone with any ounce of humanity in them to listen to this testimony. I hope the family spares themselves of this experience, which will leave little to the imagination.

 

[Schuby]

She really IS an odd cupcake...even about the simplest of things. She said she doesn't tithe because she doesn't work...so she tithes a portion of what she SPENDS in the commissary....WTH? It doesn't work that way, JA. You tithe a portion of your income...I wonder how much she has tithed via her family, from the 'artwork' she's sold? I bet my hat, NONE.

Lol, Jodi, if you don't work then that money in your commissary account IS the tithing. It was tithed by someone else so your penniless butt could eat Skittles.
Lol, she's bragging about tithing other people's money??

 

[dadgum]

There were 6. Two of Jodi, two of Jodi's........hummmm....private parts?, and two of Travis.

Does she have any? Anything private, I mean??

 

[Steely Dan]

Wait...were we not supposed to eat those?

Let me jog your memory;

Maybe so…but you don't know what she's feeding those Chihuahuas of hers.:floorlaugh:

 

[DAWN TREADER]

But I still come back to the same place. If Travis believed Jodi was scamming him or going to blackmail him, why take the pictures? If you knew your girlfriend was slicing your tires and stalking you, would you let her back into your house and then take more pictures to give her even more evidence to blackmail you with? I'm stuck on this point because it doesn't make sense to me. Even if Travis was a horn dog..... This woman sliced your tires, sent a vile email to someone you dated, and you bonk her? I'm confused.

I'm afraid we'll never know the truth but it appears to me Travis Alexander succumbed to JA's manipulative ways never imagining he was dealing with a sociopath until it was too late. As for the last day of his life I don't believe he had sex with JA and question whether pics really exist to say otherwise. (The pics allowed into evidence at trial of them posing naked on the bed do not prove they had sex) As for how she got into the house we will never know if he let her in or she snuck in or forced her way in.

 

[Phoebeb]

OT- Is there a Gosnell thread here?

 

[Tiki]

My bold. Life without parole would be--uniquely--hell for Jodi? And, that it would be a hell for her, is yet another sign or confirmation of her pathology? Well, then, colour me crazy, because I don't think I'd be happy with a life sentence! I, too, would dream of going out to dinner or of sitting on a park bench sipping my favourite cold drink.

Life without parole is punishment, remember? It is, by design, meant to take away one's autonomy, one's ability to call any shots. It is meant to be hell. To point out that Jodi wouldn't like this situation is, actually, to make no point at all--except to say that, in this way, she's no different than most people.

Let's not forget she doesn't want to spend the rest of her long life in one place because she's "been everywhere"!
Really, Jodi everywhere?!?
She's been to a few states, northern Mexico on a trip which she invited herself and - if you believe her exchange student story - Costa Rica. That's not "everywhere."
If she'd done any other traveling, I'm sure she'd have described it all in great detail. pffftt.

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[BeachGirlFromPA]

Lol, Jodi, if you don't work then that money in your commissary account IS the tithing. It was tithed by someone else so your penniless butt could eat Skittles.
Lol, she's bragging about tithing other people's money??

Your Honor, I respectfully submit that the previous testimony quantifying the convicted murderous felon's IQ is grossly exaggerated.....:floorlaugh:

 

[Whack A Mole]

Has JSS ruled yet on the DT motion for videotaped Victim's Impact Statements? I thought I saw that it was denied, but now I can't find where I read that.

Taking the death penalty off the table was denied, but I don't think they've ruled on the videotaped deposition.

 

[BeachGirlFromPA]

KatieCool...if you're with us...

Do you know if Travis's family is planning to sit in court during the aggravation phase testimony? There is a big part of me that wants to mother them and tell them it would be best if they do not listen to this testimony.

The whole purpose of this is to let the jury know that Travis was aware and suffering during this unimaginable slaughter. It will be graphic and very detailed.

The fact that he was attacked first in the bathroom and then had his throat slit on the carpet at the end of the hallway, along with his defensive wounds shows that he tried to fight off and escape the attack. Those last two pictures with him bleeding on the floor were snapped in two different locations; one clearly shows tile as the floor and the last appears to be the carpet area. I agree with the DT saying he was not dead in the next to last picture as it shows tile and the blood from his slit throat indicates that this blow happened on the carpet.

It will be hard for anyone with any ounce of humanity in them to listen to this testimony. I hope the family spares themselves of this experience, which will leave little to the imagination.

From what I've read of and about the Alexander's, they are going to see this process through to the very end. They are doing it for Travis. As gut wrenching as the Agg phase is going to be, they have held together and held onto each other for each step in the journey to obtain justice for Travis. I support any and all decisions they make but I would be extremely surprised if they didn't attend the Agg phase. That is a crucial step to securing the death penalty, and at least one sister has publicly said that the family wants the death penalty for Travis's killer. IMO

 

[ncgramma]

how about a compromise? my theory is he was freaked out when she showed up. had no idea she was coming. she did all the things lil buddy thinks she did. it was late, they were tired. he agreed to let her stay the night. wakes him up with sex. he goes along with the program thinking 'man, if i can just get her out of here, i really am going to have to call a lawyer or the police about keeping her away!' he knew he'd never be sure she wasn't going to just pop in, no matter WHERE she was living. so he wasn't happy but thought he could handle it and get her out of there peacefully.
little did he know that wasn't going to happen.

Sounds plausible. And then he ushers her out the door. He goes upstairs to take a shower and She retrieves gun and knife and whatever else from her car (possibly), re-enters the house, goes upstairs and surreptitiously begins taking pictures of him in the shower. We know the photo when he definitely sees her as he's showering. While all of this is only surmising it sure "feels" better than some of the other possibilities we've been asked to consider.

 

[Liebchenmutti]

Ok, mine is also pure speculation. I think she already apologized profusely and showed up with the rope promising him his fantasy of tying her up. Yes, I think it's possible that the rope existed, but she brought the knife.

Since she could never keep her rope stories straight, I think it's safe to assume the rope was a lie.

She told her own experts conflicting stories: Hands only, feet only, hands and feet, etc. If it happened, she would tell one story.

It's the only way to get a knife into the bedroom and/or bathroom. JMOO

 

[lil_buddy]

I don't think there was rope either - just made up to explain the presence of the knife.
Otherwise, she either brought a knife in the house or she got one of TA's knives from the kitchen and hid it until it was stabbing time.