Aggravated waiting for the aggravation phase #5

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I thought she definitely did in Late March/Early April. I'm going to have to go look at my posts and see what exactly was going on.

I do not think they should medicate them anyway, why should they get a free high on the taxpayers?? Just put them in a straight jacket and let the jurors come to their own conclusion.
 
I do not think Jodi would ever try to kill herself. Why I don't know but I lean towards that she would never do it.

I think she might, well.... She may plan the attempt and physically try (not really planning on dying though). Just enough to delay the inevitable and garner attention and sympathy.

It still has not dawned on her that all her attempts to plan and murder TA and not have it point to her, has failed. She is always plotting something. The part she doesn't get is that she is not that smart. She very well may end up killing herself (accidentally). A failed fake suicide attempt.

IMO, they better not take their eyes off her for a second.
 
I shouldn't be surprised any more but still, it continues to astonish me that she is so devoid of humanity that she cannot lie effectively. She doesnn't understand that a normal person forced into killing in self-defense - especially a loved one - would CARE. Would mourn, would feel extreme sorrow at having had to commit such an act. Would certainly try to convince a jury and prosecutor of their sincerity instead do feeding their own ego by sparring and smirking. I think she can only fake normal behavior in very small bits. She constantly needs someone to emulate so she can play a role. She has no idea how very weird she came across during her initial media sweep where she was pushing the ninja story but failed to emote. Or even really talk about Travis at all; it was all about her. I shiver at her creepy, faux-serene smile as she recounted what a great person he was. Not a tear, let alone a hint that she had ended his life ( though it was obvious she was lying. She has no idea how OFF her portrayal was).

On the stand, she constantly spoke of him in the present tense, which i still cannot understand.

We will never truly be able to figure her out. She is fake, a bad copy of a human. A bad replica. Is a person born completely defective like that? I have a MORBID FASCINATION...

It's interesting. Someone posted an article here yesterday that was written by a diagnosed sociopath. He/she talked about this incident as a child where her appendix burst and she was sent to school. She said she was so focused on containing any signs of her pain that she forgot to act normal so to speak and the mask slipped. I think this is what we saw with Jodi whenever she had to face Martinez. She was so focused on keeping her lies straight and containing the intense rage that was building up in her for him that the mask slipped. She couldn't contain her sociopathic and narcissistic need to have complete control and power. Even when she was supposed to be breaking down she still had the presense of mind and stillness to get in her little zingers and trade barbs. On the last day of cross the hatred she felt for him had reached its height. It was palpable. When Juan busted her on the gas cans she was able to somehow act very normal and calmly explain away that she'd returned it, but she could barely contain her rage in that moment either. Her eyes just totally gave her away, especially during sidebars. It's as if she's thinking "Well played you ###hole." She knows she's busted but she doubles down anyway.

She also cannot see that you cannot pretend to have a sobbing breakdown one second and then two minutes later be fine and have people think that's normal. It's like she'd remember that she was supposed to cry and look distraught for a second but then the moment would pass and she would forget or just not care. Like on the day where Juan pulled out the pic of Travis and the courtroom freaked out. She didn't really have a reaction until she realized everyone else was crying and looking away that she realized she should do the same. You are so right that when she has no one to emulate she doesn't know what to do.

She cannot even contain her narcissism in her explanations for why she killed Travis and then lied. Her whole thing is I was scared what people would think of me and my reputation. Only a completely empty shell of a person would think this way, but if she explains in an emotional and sympathetic way, then surely people will get it. She doesn't get normal people don't react to situations the way she thinks we do. She cannot even admit that she was jealous of Travis dating other women. She doesn't understand that jealousy really is a normal emotion to have when someone we love does us wrong and moves on without us. That she can't admit to even an inkling of jealousy is suspect. She protests too much, for sure.

And her motion that she doesn't intend to show remorse because she feels none because the killing was justified is crazy. If I genuinely killed in self defense and in a fog, I would be absolutely distraught and horrified at my own actions I wouldn't be able to even live with myself. Most people would be beside themselves with remorse and apologize and throw themselves at the mercy of the family and friends and the courts. Not Jodi. She think remorse is weakness and it's admitting guilt or that she did something wrong. And Travis had it coming, doncha know, so why should I feel remorse? Cold.
 
I shouldn't be surprised any more but still, it continues to astonish me that she is so devoid of humanity that she cannot lie effectively. She doesnn't understand that a normal person forced into killing in self-defense - especially a loved one - would CARE. Would mourn, would feel extreme sorrow at having had to commit such an act. Would certainly try to convince a jury and prosecutor of their sincerity instead do feeding their own ego by sparring and smirking. I think she can only fake normal behavior in very small bits. She constantly needs someone to emulate so she can play a role. She has no idea how very weird she came across during her initial media sweep where she was pushing the ninja story but failed to emote. Or even really talk about Travis at all; it was all about her. I shiver at her creepy, faux-serene smile as she recounted what a great person he was. Not a tear, let alone a hint that she had ended his life ( though it was obvious she was lying. She has no idea how OFF her portrayal was).

On the stand, she constantly spoke of him in the present tense, which i still cannot understand.

We will never truly be able to figure her out. She is fake, a bad copy of a human. A bad replica. Is a person born completely defective like that? I have a MORBID FASCINATION...

BBM

Yes, that was very strange indeed. I think she spoke of him in present tense b/c she had basically memoried lines, and so she was so busy trying to remember her lines, that she didn't think about the tense to use them in.
 
I do not think they should medicate them anyway, why should they get a free high on the taxpayers?? Just put them in a straight jacket and let the jurors come to their own conclusion.

Lol, have a heart Farm! Most inmates are there for non violent offenses , And violent or no, it an only be benefit society if while in jail/prison they are educated about and receive treatment for any underlying conditions before being released back into society.
 
I think if Jodi received help in prison, it would help the BPD part of her (any emotional pain) but the narcissist and sociopath parts of her will only use therapy to learn how manipulate and abuse people more, those parts rule her being more.
 
It's interesting. Someone posted an article here yesterday that was written by a diagnosed sociopath. He/she talked about this incident as a child where her appendix burst and she was sent to school. She said she was so focused on containing any signs of her pain that she forgot to act normal so to speak and the mask slipped. I think this is what we saw with Jodi whenever she had to face Martinez. She was so focused on keeping her lies straight and containing the intense rage that was building up in her for him that the mask slipped. She couldn't contain her sociopathic and narcissistic need to have complete control and power. Even when she was supposed to be breaking down she still had the presense of mind and stillness to get in her little zingers and trade barbs. On the last day of cross the hatred she felt for him had reached its height. It was palpable. When Juan busted her on the gas cans she was able to somehow act very normal and calmly explain away that she'd returned it, but she could barely contain her rage in that moment either. Her eyes just totally gave her away, especially during sidebars. It's as if she's thinking "Well played you ###hole." She knows she's busted but she doubles down anyway.

She also cannot see that you cannot pretend to have a sobbing breakdown one second and then two minutes later be fine and have people think that's normal. It's like she'd remember that she was supposed to cry and look distraught for a second but then the moment would pass and she would forget or just not care. Like on the day where Juan pulled out the pic of Travis and the courtroom freaked out. She didn't really have a reaction until she realized everyone else was crying and looking away that she realized she should do the same. You are so right that when she has no one to emulate she doesn't know what to do.

She cannot even contain her narcissism in her explanations for why she killed Travis and then lied. Her whole thing is I was scared what people would think of me and my reputation. Only a completely empty shell of a person would think this way, but if she explains in an emotional and sympathetic way, then surely people will get it. She doesn't get normal people don't react to situations the way she thinks we do. She cannot even admit that she was jealous of Travis dating other women. She doesn't understand that jealousy really is a normal emotion to have when someone we love does us wrong and moves on without us. That she can't admit to even an inkling of jealousy is suspect. She protests too much, for sure.

And her motion that she doesn't intend to show remorse because she feels none because the killing was justified is crazy. If I genuinely killed in self defense and in a fog, I would be absolutely distraught and horrified at my own actions I wouldn't be able to even live with myself. Most people would be beside themselves with remorse and apologize and throw themselves at the mercy of the family and friends and the courts. Not Jodi. She think remorse is weakness and it's admitting guilt or that she did something wrong. And Travis had it coming, doncha know, so why should I feel remorse? Cold.

I second all of that! You are so right. I believe that she did the post-verdict interview b/c she knew her mask had slipped off during cross, just like u said, and she wanted to rehabilitate her "image." To the public, and maybe even more for the jury b/c she figured if she did well, Nurmi could play the tape during mitigation - see, see, look at how remorseful and sad she is!

Little did she know that she would come off looking even more cruel and evil. She thought if she could get in front of the camera and fake her tears and put her grown-up act on, it would come across as authentic. The thing is...she thinks her act actually works.
 
Lol! Yes, good one! Earth to Jodi, "roughing it" doesn't mean you're transported to the Wild West. S'mores, yes. Guns, no.

Oh, I know. Every time she talked about the gas cans and her "desert" trip or that silly Treasure of the Sierra Madre nonsense with the "guys", she made it sound like she was stepping through a time portal to 1840 or something. I'm surprised she didn't say she might need the gun to fend off grizzlies or hostile Sioux. She seemed to actually believe that we would all be so foolish as to not realize that she would be traveling through the desert on a highway loaded with gas stations and restaurants and towns and everything! Not to mention the silliness with the "gold panning" trip. Sure, all of us know young single women who go on such trips, but harbor concerns for sexual assault or stolen gold, so must arm themselves to the teeth beforehand.

Excuse me. :puke: You can't make this stuff up!™
 
Didn't her defense team file something to the effect of she would not be admitting remorse so they wanted that dropped as a mitigation consideration?
 
Lol, have a heart Farm! Most inmates are there for non violent offenses , And violent or no, it an only be benefit society if while in jail/prison they are educated about and receive treatment for any underlying conditions before being released back into society.

Sorry Schuby, I don't have any more heart left for this. I am fed up to my eyeballs.
 
You can't make this stuff up.™

But you have not trademarked " you can't make this chit up" so I guess we all will be forced to use that one that you did not trade mark. :D

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I am sure you are right. She had no problem abandoning the ninja story once she knew no one was buying it and trading it in for the self defense lie. Maybe her new story will be that aliens invaded her body and forced her to kill Travis.

Sometime soon, coming to a theater near you, the fog will lift for JA and along with it she will remember "ex-ack-act-ally" what happened that day, ie.e, another version for her appeal.

Unfortunately for JA (and fortunately for justice), the appeals process is quite technical and her sudden "clarity" won't wash. New evidence can be the basis for an appeal...will she remember where the gun and knife are? If she did, would the state even bother to spend more than five minutes looking? And really, what good would that do? Sorry kid, no dice, say her appeals counsel.

At some point, the circus will stop.

The name of the murderer will fade from memory. She will be forgotten, sitting in a small cell in Arizona, waiting for her execution day.
 
I think she might, well.... She may plan the attempt and physically try (not really planning on dying though). Just enough to delay the inevitable and garner attention and sympathy.

It still has not dawned on her that all her attempts to plan and murder TA and not have it point to her, has failed. She is always plotting something. The part she doesn't get is that she is not that smart. She very well may end up killing herself (accidentally). A failed fake suicide attempt.

IMO, they better not take their eyes off her for a second.

i doubt she would even attempt that,do you remember the little razor nick that hurt so bad? she thinks to highly of herself to even attempt to hurt herself enough to delay trial
 
Didn't her defense team file something to the effect of she would not be admitting remorse so they wanted that dropped as a mitigation consideration?

Thanks Tex, I need breakfast.
 
Yeah, what a strange thing to say anyway. Who isn't for the 10 commandments? They're pretty basic, it's not like there are a lot of undecided people out there.

Oh, I don't know. My neighbor's got a pretty nice Mustang, and I've been thinking about coveting it. Still on the fence, though.
 
She broke them all anyway:

1. I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
3. Remember thou keep the Sabbath Day.
4. Honor thy Father and thy Mother.
5. Thou shalt not kill.
6. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
7. Thou shalt not steal.
8. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
9. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods.

Whose wife did she covet?
 
It's interesting. Someone posted an article here yesterday that was written by a diagnosed sociopath. He/she talked about this incident as a child where her appendix burst and she was sent to school. She said she was so focused on containing any signs of her pain that she forgot to act normal so to speak and the mask slipped. I think this is what we saw with Jodi whenever she had to face Martinez. She was so focused on keeping her lies straight and containing the intense rage that was building up in her for him that the mask slipped. She couldn't contain her sociopathic and narcissistic need to have complete control and power. Even when she was supposed to be breaking down she still had the presense of mind and stillness to get in her little zingers and trade barbs. On the last day of cross the hatred she felt for him had reached its height. It was palpable. When Juan busted her on the gas cans she was able to somehow act very normal and calmly explain away that she'd returned it, but she could barely contain her rage in that moment either. Her eyes just totally gave her away, especially during sidebars. It's as if she's thinking "Well played you ###hole." She knows she's busted but she doubles down anyway.

She also cannot see that you cannot pretend to have a sobbing breakdown one second and then two minutes later be fine and have people think that's normal. It's like she'd remember that she was supposed to cry and look distraught for a second but then the moment would pass and she would forget or just not care. Like on the day where Juan pulled out the pic of Travis and the courtroom freaked out. She didn't really have a reaction until she realized everyone else was crying and looking away that she realized she should do the same. You are so right that when she has no one to emulate she doesn't know what to do.

She cannot even contain her narcissism in her explanations for why she killed Travis and then lied. Her whole thing is I was scared what people would think of me and my reputation. Only a completely empty shell of a person would think this way, but if she explains in an emotional and sympathetic way, then surely people will get it. She doesn't get normal people don't react to situations the way she thinks we do. She cannot even admit that she was jealous of Travis dating other women. She doesn't understand that jealousy really is a normal emotion to have when someone we love does us wrong and moves on without us. That she can't admit to even an inkling of jealousy is suspect. She protests too much, for sure.

And her motion that she doesn't intend to show remorse because she feels none because the killing was justified is crazy. If I genuinely killed in self defense and in a fog, I would be absolutely distraught and horrified at my own actions I wouldn't be able to even live with myself. Most people would be beside themselves with remorse and apologize and throw themselves at the mercy of the family and friends and the courts. Not Jodi. She think remorse is weakness and it's admitting guilt or that she did something wrong. And Travis had it coming, doncha know, so why should I feel remorse? Cold.

Good post! If you want to see another one, follow the Andrea Sneiderman case that is starting in July. In Atlanta Georgia. there is a thread here for Websleuths it contains the Rusty Sneiderman Dunwoody daycare case.

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Didn't her defense team file something to the effect of she would not be admitting remorse so they wanted that dropped as a mitigation consideration?

Oh wow, hadn't heard that one. I was wondering how she would go about affecting remorse for a murder given that her story throughout trial was self-defense. Guess even she couldn't come up with some outer-limits cosmological way to say it without dropping the guise.
 
Thanks Tex, I need breakfast.


No breakfast here today..
Our oldest son works for Pappasito's so we went there for lunch Sunday..had a few drinks.. appetizers, lunch for 12 people then sopapillas and tres leche cake and he charged us $25.95..I'm fixing to eat the daughters left over pulled pork quesadilla and drink another cup of community coffee.
 
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