GUILTY AK - Kristy Manzanares, 39, killed aboard Emerald Princess, Juneau, 25 July 2017 *husband arrested*

[Tippy Lynn]

Has it been reported that he had been drinking? Or is that an assumption on our part that grew legs?

I don't think it's been reported, just an assumption.

 

[pamelado2]

Has it been reported that he had been drinking? Or is that an assumption on our part that grew legs?

An assumption only.

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[Lilibet]

Has it been reported that he had been drinking? Or is that an assumption on our part that grew legs?

It's an assumption that grew legs. I mentioned the possibility early on, and IMO there's a good chance he had been drinking...they were on a cruise, people tend to relax their boundaries on vacation, his comment about her laughter indicates hyper-sensitivity, we later heard that he had been very unpleasant all evening, and he had no self control. To me, with my personal childhood history, over-drinking is the most obvious explanation, but that's JMO, and certainly could be wrong. It could be way more complicated. As I've said, we just don't know.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Exactly. However I've learned to reign in my opinions here. I've had too many posts removed when my opinion isn't in line with the flow of the thread. I posted in this thread and assume it was seen as victim blaming, but I was using a personal experience for why I posed what I did, and not once did I justify this horrible murder.




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Most of my comments on here are taken out of context and shredded I usually post with caution. :blushing:

 

[human]

There are tourists and cruise ships that come where I live. What I have observed over the years is that drinking is a huge part of vacations.

Never having been on a cruise and really having no interest in going on one, it does look like the cruise line offers lots of fun and interesting things for people to do.

I think people are in the party mood , so they enjoy what is offered with gusto.

Travleing is tiring though. When we went on vacations, I felt like I needed a vacation after my vacation. Vacationing does wear on you.

 

[IQuestion]

I don't think it's been reported, just an assumption.

Okay TippyL....The assumption of consumption produces compunction? blushing Perhaps some posters are aware of info that has not been disclosed. Either way, I value the insights of fellow sleuths (powerful and thought provoking life experiences).....
this is about open discussion and possible scenarios. (and even opinions.....imagine that?)

 

[Gaius]

“Husband Allegedly ‘Snapped’ and Killed Wife on Alaska Cruise After She Asked for Divorce” Media Source Says about Kristy Manzanares, 39, killed on board Emerald Princess, Juneau, 25 July 2017.

It is my wish to remain polite. However, I also want to encourage those with profound insights, unique experience, and out-of-the-box way of thinking to keep posting. You know who you are. Your posts are much much more interesting than the canned flames some repeat at nauseam.

Duly sworn jury will make up their mind based on the facts, the skills of the attorneys, the implied analogies, and … each INDIVIDUAL jury’s life experience & judgement! That is why everyone here, playing the potential jury or imaginary attorney or armchair investigator etc, sleuths anonymously to test their thinking. Beautiful!

At court of law, attorneys will argue about premeditation and involuntary manslaughter etc… present evidence or argue about the lack thereof. Court rituals and procedures could vary greatly within the same state, from county to county, in the US.

It would be far-fetched to convince most jury members (with brain) that this man, 39-year-old Kenneth Manzanares, (1) planned to go on cruise ship vacation so that (2) he could kill his wife of 18 years there, (3) in front of their three daughters and other family members (4) because he knew that she will divorce him during the vacation and (5) she will laugh endlessly at his objections! What a convincing “premeditation”?

Thus, this is IMHO etc. etc. an accidental killing (Accident: noun. an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury), certainly due to human nature, and may be exacerbated by (1) drinking, (2) may be by “Toxic Masculinity [that] ruins the party again”, or (3) perhaps because “… she's one of those sarcastic and nasty women (I've known a few) who got off on purposely laughing at him and emasculating him” etc. The most probable scenario would be a combination of explosive factors.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

“Husband Allegedly ‘Snapped’ and Killed Wife on Alaska Cruise After She Asked for Divorce” Media Source Says about Kristy Manzanares, 39, killed on board Emerald Princess, Juneau, 25 July 2017.

It is my wish to remain polite. However, I also want to encourage those with profound insights, unique experience, and out-of-the-box way of thinking to keep posting. You know who you are. Your posts are much much more interesting than the canned flames some repeat at nauseam.

Duly sworn jury will make up their mind based on the facts, the skills of the attorneys, the implied analogies, and … each INDIVIDUAL jury’s life experience & judgement! That is why everyone here, playing the potential jury or imaginary attorney or armchair investigator etc, sleuths anonymously to test their thinking. Beautiful!

At court of law, attorneys will argue about premeditation and involuntary manslaughter etc… present evidence or argue about the lack thereof. Court rituals and procedures could vary greatly within the same state, from county to county, in the US.

It would be far-fetched to convince most jury members (with brain) that this man, 39-year-old Kenneth Manzanares, (1) planned to go on cruise ship vacation so that (2) he could kill his wife of 18 years there, (3) in front of their three daughters and other family members (4) because he knew that she will divorce him during the vacation and (5) she will laugh endlessly at his objections! What a convincing “premeditation”?

Thus, this is IMHO etc. etc. an accidental killing (Accident: noun. an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury), certainly due to human nature, and may be exacerbated by (1) drinking, (2) may be by “Toxic Masculinity [that] ruins the party again”, or (3) perhaps because “… she's one of those sarcastic and nasty women (I've known a few) who got off on purposely laughing at him and emasculating him” etc. The most probable scenario would be a combination of explosive factors.

Great post!

 

[human]

I think a definition of premeditation should be looked at. It is not what most think it is.

 

[dianaprince]

Premeditation can occur in mere seconds so, if for instance, the victim told her husband that he was killing her or begged for her life and he continued to beat her, the premeditation prong to Murder 1 would be met. He could also be charged with Murder 2 based on either being extremely reckless (in beating her) or he wanted to seriously harm her, but not necessarily meaning to kill her. To claim this is an 'accident' and warranting a much less serious charge of voluntary manslaughter, for instance, would be unusual, in my experience. Still, we have so little information on this case. The autopsy reports (which would show if she died from one wound, which would support a voluntary man charge or multiple wounds) would be helpful in this discussion.

 

[Indy Anna]

Most of my comments on here are taken out of context and shredded I usually post with caution. :blushing:

Glad you (and everyone) are posting here. DV and alcoholism are very emotional topics. Many have experienced one or both in some form or fashion, either personally or professionally -- or both. It's natural that we want to apply our own experiences, with lack of further information on the case.

I remember my parents having terrible arguments nearly every year while we were on vacation -- usually at the end, when the discussion was about visiting my dad's family. I don't remember them becoming violent, and remember only a couple of violent incidents at home. Once my mother hurled a raw potato at my dad. It missed (thankfully) but went through the glass of her china cabinet. And neither of my parents drank. My maternal grandfather, though, was an alcoholic but I don't remember ever seeing or hearing about him becoming violent (he did give some mean bear hugs!).

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

Duly sworn jury will make up their mind based on the facts, the skills of the attorneys, the implied analogies, and … each INDIVIDUAL jury’s life experience & judgement!

SBM: IMO, I wish the former part of this post were absolutely true. Unfortunately, IMO, most juries base their verdicts on the latter, and "facts" are the antithesis to "experience & judgment".

We need professionally trained juries in this country. I will continue to sing this from the rooftops. The fact that "fact" and judgment" are used as one and the same here just helps fuel this argument.

That said, my bet is this will be pled out and won't ever see a jury.

 

[Seattle1]

This tragedy hit the entire community and good to read the daughters coping with much love and support.

http://www.thespectrum.com/story/ne...s-mischief-during-realtors-funeral/538385001/

 

[Lamima]

“Husband Allegedly ‘Snapped’ and Killed Wife on Alaska Cruise After She Asked for Divorce” Media Source Says about Kristy Manzanares, 39, killed on board Emerald Princess, Juneau, 25 July 2017.

It is my wish to remain polite. However, I also want to encourage those with profound insights, unique experience, and out-of-the-box way of thinking to keep posting. You know who you are. Your posts are much much more interesting than the canned flames some repeat at nauseam.

Duly sworn jury will make up their mind based on the facts, the skills of the attorneys, the implied analogies, and … each INDIVIDUAL jury’s life experience & judgement! That is why everyone here, playing the potential jury or imaginary attorney or armchair investigator etc, sleuths anonymously to test their thinking. Beautiful!

At court of law, attorneys will argue about premeditation and involuntary manslaughter etc… present evidence or argue about the lack thereof. Court rituals and procedures could vary greatly within the same state, from county to county, in the US.

It would be far-fetched to convince most jury members (with brain) that this man, 39-year-old Kenneth Manzanares, (1) planned to go on cruise ship vacation so that (2) he could kill his wife of 18 years there, (3) in front of their three daughters and other family members (4) because he knew that she will divorce him during the vacation and (5) she will laugh endlessly at his objections! What a convincing “premeditation”?

Thus, this is IMHO etc. etc. an accidental killing (Accident: noun. an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury), certainly due to human nature, and may be exacerbated by (1) drinking, (2) may be by “Toxic Masculinity [that] ruins the party again”, or (3) perhaps because “… she's one of those sarcastic and nasty women (I've known a few) who got off on purposely laughing at him and emasculating him” etc. The most probable scenario would be a combination of explosive factors.

There is an in between premeditation and accident. This was no "accident" and it's offensive for someone to say that.

 

[Seajay]

Like is said before. I think he just lost it and it was blind rage. He flipped out and just acted, without a coherent thought. He may have only become aware when her brother and father got in the room.

I say this because it happened to me once when I was a teenager. I won't go into the details but I don't remember formulating a thought to attack, nor do I remember any part of entire fight. The last I remembered was talking to the girl. I just remember family members pulling me away when the man across the street was coming at me with a baseball bat to smash my head in. Thank God I'm not that same person in my 60's (Talk about ones own experiences and opinions.)

 

[pamelado2]

From Wikipedia but thought provoking and I believe, accurate

First-degree murder: any intentional murder that is willful and premeditated with malice aforethought.*Felony murder*is typically first-degree.[12]

Second-degree murder: any intentional murder with malice aforethought, but is not premeditated or planned.[13]

Voluntary manslaughter: (also referred to as third-degree murder), sometimes called a*crime of passionmurder, is any intentional killing that involves no prior intent to kill, and which was committed under such circumstances that would "cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed". Both this and second-degree murder are committed on the spot under a spur-of-the-moment choice, but the two differ in the magnitude of the circumstances surrounding the crime. For example, a bar fight that results in death would ordinarily constitute second-degree murder. If that same bar fight stemmed from a discovery of infidelity, however, it may be mitigated to voluntary manslaughter.[14]

Involuntary manslaughter: (sometimes referred to as fourth-degree murder), a killing that stems from a lack of intention to cause death but involving an intentional, or negligent, act leading to death. A drunk driving-related death is typically involuntary manslaughter (see also*vehicular homicide,*causing death by dangerous driving,*gross negligence manslaughter*and*causing death by criminal negligence*for international equivalents). Note that the "unintentional" element here refers to the lack of intent to bring about the death. All three crimes above feature an intent to kill, whereas involuntary manslaughter is "unintentional", because the killer did not intend for a death to result from his intentional actions. If there is a presence of intention it relates only to the intent to cause a violent act which brings about the death, but not an intention to bring about the death itself.[15]



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[pamelado2]

I don't believe anyone has brought up manslaughter but to me it's certainly a possibility (especially since we don't have all the details).

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[pamelado2]

http://www.thespectrum.com/story/ne...s-mischief-during-realtors-funeral/538385001/

A write up on the funeral.

 

[Deleted member 172065]

Like is said before. I think he just lost it and it was blind rage. He flipped out and just acted, without a coherent thought. He may have only become aware when her brother and father got in the room.

I say this because it happened to me once when I was a teenager. I won't go into the details but I don't remember formulating a thought to attack, nor do I remember any part of entire fight. The last I remembered was talking to the girl. I just remember family members pulling me away when the man across the street was coming at me with a baseball bat to smash my head in. Thank God I'm not that same person in my 60's (Talk about ones own experiences and opinions.)

That guy, without a doubt, is extremely dangerous...no matter what excuse he may give. And he took her life. He is still responsible. No one else is. Just him. Just my opinion. Yet fact.


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[Deleted member 172065]

Premeditation can occur in mere seconds so, if for instance, the victim told her husband that he was killing her or begged for her life and he continued to beat her, the premeditation prong to Murder 1 would be met. He could also be charged with Murder 2 based on either being extremely reckless (in beating her) or he wanted to seriously harm her, but not necessarily meaning to kill her. To claim this is an 'accident' and warranting a much less serious charge of voluntary manslaughter, for instance, would be unusual, in my experience. Still, we have so little information on this case. The autopsy reports (which would show if she died from one wound, which would support a voluntary man charge or multiple wounds) would be helpful in this discussion.

If it was one hit or punch, and she died, that's one thing. Right? But he was gonna throw her overboard. So I'm thinking premeditation.


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