GUILTY AK - Kristy Manzanares, 39, killed aboard Emerald Princess, Juneau, 25 July 2017 *husband arrested*

  • #361
Kristy Manzanares, 39, killed on board Emerald Princess, Juneau, 25 July 2017, allegedly by her husband. Then, several WS members attributed the killing (premeditated or accidental) to “toxic masculinity”. Out of curiosity, I looked up some statistics.

It seems useful to include the data source when presenting statistics such that 1) it does not appears that the statistics were born from the person who posts, 2) it does not appear that the statistics were just made-up figures, and 3) the readers could look-up for more details for clarification.

For the following, I interpreted the data at my conclusion (far below) based on my comprehension. You do not have to understand what I write. You could read the paper and make-up your own comprehension:
Kochanek et al., 2016, Deaths: Final Data for 2014, CDC National Vital Statistics Reports, Vol. 65, No. 4.

The article has 122 pages. Therefore, these repoted numbers are biased by my choice of what I want to slice, dice, copy and paste. Other sources of data are mentioned next to the figures.

1/ [In 2014], Life expectancy at birth was 78.8 years, unchanged since 2012. Life expectancy increased for black males, Hispanic males and females, and non-Hispanic black males, while it decreased for non-Hispanic white females from 2013 to 2014. Age specific death rates decreased in 2014 from 2013 for age groups 1–4, 65–74, 75–84, and 85 and over. Age-specific death rates increased for age groups 25–34, 35–44, and 55–64.

2/ Assault (homicide) is the 17th leading cause of death in 2014. Homicide remained among the 15 leading causes of death for age groups 1–4 (3rd), 5–14 (5th), 15–24 (3rd), 25–34 (3rd), 35–44 (5th), and 45–54 (13th).

3/ In 2014, 33,594 persons died from firearm injuries in the United States (Tables 18 and 19), accounting for 16.8% of all injury deaths in that year.

4/ In 2014, a total of 30,722 persons died of alcohol-induced causes in the United States (Tables 10, 12, and 13). This category includes deaths from dependent and nondependent use of alcohol, as well as deaths from accidental poisoning by alcohol. It excludes unintentional injuries, homicides, and other causes indirectly related to alcohol use, as well as deaths due to fetal alcohol syndrome (for a list of alcohol-induced causes, see Technical Notes).

5/ If you want to check the Demography of the United States at the link below. E.g., the age structure is
0–14 years 19.4%
15–64 years 66.2%
65 and over 14.4%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States

6/ Assault (homicide) victims by age
All ages = 15,872
Under 1 year = 249
1-4 = 364
5-14 = 279
15-24 = 4,171
25-34 = 4,173
35-44 = 2,596
45-54 = 1,952
55-64 = 1,146
65-74 = 551
75-84 = 267
85 and over = 118
Age not stated = 6

7/ These are the demographics by race. The source is the 2010 U.S. Census:
White alone 72.4%
Black or African American 12.6%
Asian 4.8%
Native American and Alaska Natives 0.9%
Native Hawaiians and Other Pacific Islanders 0.2%
Two or more races 2.9%
Some other race 6.2%
Total 100.0%
Hispanic and Latino Americans (of any race): 16.3%
Sex ratio at birth 1.048 male/female

8/ Victims of Assault (homicide) by race and gender. In these figures, Hispanic and Latino Americans could be of any race.
All races both sexes = 15,872
All races male = 12,546
All races female = 3,326
White both sexes = 7,397
White male = 5,304
White female = 2,093
Black both sexes = 7,903
Black male = 6,823
Black female = 1,080
American Indian or Alaska Native both sexes = 264
American Indian or Alaska Native male = 209
American Indian or Alaska Native female = 55
Asian or Pacific Islander both sexes = 308
Asian or Pacific Islander male = 210
Asian or Pacific Islander female = 98

9/ Perpetrator of Assault (homicide) by race and gender.

I decided NOT to report these figures. If you are curious, read the article referenced above and/or other reputable sources. Most law enforcement persons consider a male perpetrator, a husband or a boyfriend, every time a woman is murdered. In the same token, some law enforcement persons consider a female perpetrator, a mother or step-mother or grandmother etc., every time a minor male or female (infant, child, or adolescent) is murdered.

My conclusions from these numbers:
1/ 52.57% of homicides are against people between the ages of 15-34
2/ 79.04% of homicides are against males of all races. Only 20.96% of homicides are against females.
3/ 13.18% of homicide victims are white females. White females make up 34.99% of US population
4/ 42.98% of homicide victims are black males. Black males make up 6.42% of US population. Black males are the most likely victim of homicide in the US.

My comments and questions:
For the men-haters, those who dislike the “toxic masculinity”, and those who are afraid of certain gender or ethnicity, in the opinion of Kochanek et al. (2016) authors of the article referenced above, you may want to revise your stereotypes!

For those who agreed about perhaps “… she's one of those sarcastic and nasty women (I've known a few) who got off on purposely laughing at him and emasculating him”, I am curious. Do you think those “sarcastic and nasty women” could turn also child killers? Why do certain women kill so many children? Is it a kind of “toxic feminity”?
 
  • #362
Sorry, but this seems to have little to do with the discussion at hand. There were no firearms; they are not hispanic; and TBH the post sounds a bit like it supports the theory of "toxic masculinity", whatever that is. Not going to waste time checking, but if memory serves, most homicides against men are men on men homicides.
 
  • #363
For those who agreed about perhaps “… she's one of those sarcastic and nasty women (I've known a few) who got off on purposely laughing at him and emasculating him”, I am curious. Do you think those “sarcastic and nasty women” could turn also child killers? Why do certain women kill so many children? Is it a kind of “toxic feminity”?

IMO those types of women don't kill people physically, they kill them emotionally and mentally.


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  • #364
Sounds a bit like victim blaming.
 
  • #365
If you feel a post is inappropriate, use the red triangle to alert a mod. I do. Let them decide. Other best advice, as someone else said here, is scroll and roll. This thread almost needs more attention than the mods seem to be able to give it, so they probably appreciate a heads-up.
 
  • #366
Thanks, SteveP. Good idea.
 
  • #367
"For those who agreed about perhaps “… she's one of those sarcastic and nasty women (I've known a few) who got off on purposely laughing at him and emasculating him”, I am curious."
I just <snipped> from GAIUS for brevity.
I am curious, too. You stated that you have known a few nasty women who got off on purposely laughing and emasculation men, right? Uh, how many of them have been killed by their husbands?
I have followed cases of missing persons, found Victims with no identities, kidnappers but can't locate the Victim, Victims but can not identify the killer......But, never have I followed a case in which a contributor can not acknowledge that the battered, deceased Victim is a Victim. Go figure.
 
  • #368
Who said she wasn't a victim? I haven't seen one post here from any contributor (myself included) saying she deserved it or she wasn't a victim. Some men just have a higher tolerance for that kind of thing - or they simply leave the relationship.


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  • #369
Who said she wasn't a victim? I haven't seen one post here from any contributor (myself included) saying she deserved it or she wasn't a victim. Some men just have a higher tolerance for that kind of thing - or they simply leave the relationship.


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Exactly! 1st of all, I thought the topic of victim blaming had been completely discussed and was finished.
Secondly, just because a person tries to think of different reasons as to why a killer became a killer that doesn't mean they agree with those reasons or think they are valid. That should be understood.

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  • #370
Well, another week sail on this ship has finished. Curious how it was for the passengers- if it was addressed at all by passengers, how the crew are doing, etc.
 
  • #371
I think there is huge turnover on cruise ship staff except for the ones from the Phillipines. Are there a lot of crew from the Phillipines and other countries?
 
  • #372
After reading through this thread I hope, when he said "my life is over" someone responding by saying "Yes, it is, you 🤬🤬🤬!". Prayers for those poor children.
 
  • #373
I think there is huge turnover on cruise ship staff except for the ones from the Phillipines. Are there a lot of crew from the Phillipines and other countries?

On our 20+ Princess cruises, DH and I have met many crew members who have been with the company for years. Most are able to make more money working on cruise ships than they could if they remain in their native countries. Princess recruits crew and staff from several countries: Philippines, Mexico, India, South Africa, Romania, Poland, Great Britain, Australia, etc.

Contract periods vary with some crew working up to 10 months, 24/7, without a "vacation"; days off are few and far between. If crew/staff members sign another contract, they will sometimes be assigned to the same ship or move to a different ship. We've frequently come across crew members whom we've encountered on one Princess ship and are now working on another ship. Some have been with Princess for years and have worked their way up the ladder in their particular department, i.e. starting out as bus boy and working their way up to dining room manager or Maitre d' Hotel.
 
  • #374
The vast majority of the crew we met on the Princess a few weeks age were from the Phillippines.
 
  • #375
After reading through this thread I hope, when he said "my life is over" someone responding by saying "Yes, it is, you 🤬🤬🤬!". Prayers for those poor children.

bbm Oh TS51... You made me laugh out loud....a cross between a guffaw/caclke, ending with a very unattractive Steve Urkel snort. Thankfully I was not sipping hot coffee as I read your post. Mirth and levity.....makes my heart feel better this Monday morning.:tyou:and giggles:tyou:IQ
 
  • #376
I think the public will never know what happened. I think he will go to prison without a trial. Hopefully he doesn't want to drag his children through a trial. They would be called as witnesses.
 
  • #377
On our 20+ Princess cruises, DH and I have met many crew members who have been with the company for years. Most are able to make more money working on cruise ships than they could if they remain in their native countries. Princess recruits crew and staff from several countries: Philippines, Mexico, India, South Africa, Romania, Poland, Great Britain, Australia, etc.

Contract periods vary with some crew working up to 10 months, 24/7, without a "vacation"; days off are few and far between. If crew/staff members sign another contract, they will sometimes be assigned to the same ship or move to a different ship. We've frequently come across crew members whom we've encountered on one Princess ship and are now working on another ship. Some have been with Princess for years and have worked their way up the ladder in their particular department, i.e. starting out as bus boy and working their way up to dining room manager or Maitre d' Hotel.

Anericans do not stay long working on cruise ships.

I have seen crew from India as well. They all work hard and long hours
 
  • #378
I think the public will never know what happened. I think he will go to prison without a trial. Hopefully he doesn't want to drag his children through a trial. They would be called as witnesses.

Yeah, I basically said the same thing a few days ago, when he waived his right to a preliminary hearing. I don't think he will plead guilty to a murder charge, but I kinda expect he will offer to plead guilty to a manslaughter charge, probably voluntary, and I believe it will be accepted and he will go away for a few years. JMO
 
  • #379
I think the public will never know what happened. I think he will go to prison without a trial. Hopefully he doesn't want to drag his children through a trial. They would be called as witnesses.

I certainly hope he will spare his children the trauma of testifying!

Yeah, I basically said the same thing a few days ago, when he waived his right to a preliminary hearing. I don't think he will plead guilty to a murder charge, but I kinda expect he will offer to plead guilty to a manslaughter charge, probably voluntary, and I believe it will be accepted and he will go away for a few years. JMO

I agree that he will plead guilty to manslaughter if he's allowed that option. If there are any answers to the question "Why" that would have come out at trial I hope he gives his children those answers, without Mom-blaming excuses. We don't need to know, but they do IMO.
 
  • #380
I think a lot of people think the Inside Passage water channels are freezing cold in the summer. The water is colder than Hawaii or Bahamas, but definitely survivable. The water was close to 60 degrees on July 25th.....not far from Sitka.
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If he had jumped/fallen from Deck 9, he probably would have fallen approximately 80 feet. That may be tough to survive. Hitting the water from that height is like hitting a wall, from what I have read elsewhere.
 

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