AK - Samantha Koenig, 18, Anchorage, 01 Feb 2012 - #6

[Psychic Sleuth]

I think they did the absolute right thing keeping so much information from the public and I hope that it pays off with an ALIVE Samantha!

Of course they did and continue to do! I mean seriously...everyone expects them to spill everything they have and could care less how it may jeopardize finding Samantha (even possibly alive)?

Any smart investigative team is not going to show all their cards. Duh!

JMHO

 

[Deleted member 718]

The property in Constable NY is at 511 Poplar St.

http://franklincony.org/content/Dep...ld=documents;/content/Documents/File/1073.pdf

This is a slightly dated assessment roll- alphabetical order. 9.99 acres.

Thanks saba. I was wondering if he might have sold the property in the mean time, but I find him still owning the property on the 2012 tax rolls.

http://franklincony.org/content/Dep...ld=documents;/content/Documents/File/2138.pdf

 

[z560]

This is a quote from his arrest in Lufkin. They obviously found something when they arrested him in Texas to arrest him for suspected kidnapping. Just because we don't know what that evidence is doesn't mean they don't have it. They have evidence that he is directly involved in Sam's disappearance. I have no doubt that they have evidence. And I believe he is involved. I believe the motive was money. Obviously with the stealing of the credit card the motive was money. Perhaps it was a robbery gone bad? Perhaps his mask came off and Sam saw his face? Perhaps Samantha knew who he was so he had to dispose of her?

I wasn't a fan of the robbery-gone-bad theory at first, but I will say this: the fact that IK was caught stealing relatively insignificant amounts of cash from an ATM does increase the likelihood of this theory. One of my main issues with the robbery theory was why would someone rob a coffee shack, since it is unlikely to have a significant amount of money on hand? Well we know from IK's subsequent activities that he is not above petty theft.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I think he was looking for 'easy money' rather than the motherload. A lone young girl in a shack at night might look like a pretty easy target. Especially with the snow banks.

 

[z560]

I think Bill Little is telling the truth. I honestly didn't understand at the time of the report how someone wouldn't have seen ANYTHING. I also don't think the report about it was ever supposed to be public. The fact that they wouldn't release the video told me they didn't need help with identification of the guy and when those facts are combined with all the other strangeness and lack of information being released by LE all leads me to believe they have been working this guy from the beginning. I don't think they wanted him id'd publicly because they have been watching him hoping to find her. They just said a few days ago that they believe she is alive...they believe that for some reason....So, where is she???? The debit card pin number is clearly a set up to keep track of him, I'm pretty certain that Person A wasn't a real victim of any crime but is a confidential police informant that gave IK the card and told him it was safe to use. That's why they will never ID person A.

One slight problem with this part: if Person A gave IK the card to use, then how is it access device fraud? If IK had Person A's permission then there was no crime in using the card, right?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I don't feel that Person A was an informant of any kind. I feel like IK was on a crime spree that night and the connection LE made to him was the outfit/disguise he had on at the time and perhaps Person A saw this person get into a white truck with toolboxes on the sides. I still think it's odd that he didn't use the card for a while. Perhaps it took him a while to guess the pin number? Like I said, many people use part of their phone number, address, SS# or DOB for their pin number and much of this info is available online. Perhaps he wanted to wait until right before he left dodge and thought he couldn't get caught across State lines?

 

[Deleted member 718]

I was rereading some of the MSM earliest reports and this one has some unusual comments.

http://www.ktuu.com/news/anchorage-police-looking-for-missing-barista-020212,0,2490584.story

I've read there is a Salvation Army homeless shelter across the street from CGE. Any locals know if this is true? TIA

 

[GutFeeling!]

I hope that Samantha is alive too. A couple of flaws in the "APD are doing the right thing" case:
1. It is nearly two months and there has not been a single sighting of Samantha. What APD are doing isn't working. For heavens sake there are continiual sightings of Casey Anthony *spits* and she is alive. When Caylee was missing there were sightings every day in every state - nothing here that they have released. It just isn't working, get fresh eyes in on the case asap.
The longer this goes on the less chance of her being found alive.
It is a TV show but it's title rings true - The First 48 - after that passes it gets harder and harder to solve a case.
2. First Amendment
3. Freedom of information act.
4. They have a guy that they are sure is involved and he isn't talking and you can bet your sweet bippee he has been offered every deal up to, but not including, walking away free and they still have not found the girl.

The goings on in that department have been shady for a while, why in heavens name a father can accept that he is not being told anything is beyond me, unless he too is lying and either knows more than he is saying or he is actually being told everything and lying publicly to keep the media vans from clogging up his street.

I just don't understand how people can be so accepting and place their trust in people they have no idea about.

Yes they were saying they believed Samantha was alive - that changed as soon as IK was cuffed. There is a HUGE difference between a search and a recovery.

And that's the other thing. I know the climate is killer up there but why I am not reading of searches going on continually. A release of that nature puts people's minds at ease that SOMETHING is being done. As the public see it it is a bunch of 20 plus men achieving nothing.

People say they must be getting closer .... really? How? Tell em how they are getting closer. It is no different today than it was on February 2, Samantha has still not been found.

Police do not have to let out all information, that would be stupid, but there is a population up there of 300,000 people and each and every one of them deserve the right to feel safe and protected.

IF they were on to him early in this case following him around to find Samantha they have put every person in Anchorage in danger - they themselves say that.

Yesterday they said in court that they believed IK to be a danger to the public. That means they were on to him, KNEW he was dangerous, and still did their tracking *(which I remind you again has failed). It even allowed him to go rob a bank in another state while being tracked. If they were on to him why didn't they nab him then? Did they even relealize he was out of state.

The people of Anchorage deserve answers , they are the ones paying for this whole investigation. I wanted to see police searching areas, tracking dogs called in, helicopters in the air .... a woman was missing! I have seen diddly squat, zip, nada, not a thing.

I will never be slapping APD on the back saying good work guys! You tried - sorry you failed.

they are verging on being a corrupt department and that was happening before Samantha went missing.

 

[GutFeeling!]

I apologise, this thread is about Samantha, not the APD, but they are just not helping anyone.

 

[GutFeeling!]

I was rereading some of the MSM earliest reports and this one has some unusual comments.

http://www.ktuu.com/news/anchorage-police-looking-for-missing-barista-020212,0,2490584.story

I've read there is a Salvation Army homeless shelter across the street from CGE. Any locals know if this is true? TIA

There is this one: Anchorage Rescue Mission, 2823 Tudor Road, Anchorage. That is about a mile and a half away. But I don't understand where you are going with that.

 

[tezi]

I apologise, this thread is about Samantha, not the APD, but they are just not helping anyone.

As a rule here, LE bashing generally isn't allowed. And respectfully, in order to protect the investigation, they can't release stuff under the FIOA. I understand you are a reporter, but honestly you can't expect them to release everything they know, can you?

JMO, MOO, IMO, and all other disclaimers.

 

[Wondergirl]

There was a photo of a post on WS about a truck stopping on the hill the night of the abduction or something like that.

Does anyone think that was Keyes truck?

(I am a bit out of the loop on recent discussions in this case)

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

GutFeeling wow just wow. Where do you suppose they should search? How deep is the snow right now? I would assume if they had an idea on where she might be they would have already searched it by now. Why do you suppose they are asking for the publics help on the whereabouts of this truck? It's not easy to just search! Where?

I truly believe they thought he was holding her captive and possibly even took her out of the State when he left. You don't think they were following him and watching him? The problem is if he already did away with her and disposed of her that night they probably weren't following him then. She may not even be in anchorage! Remember he left in early FEB, then came back then left again. I think they were hoping she was alive and eventually he would lead them to her. If that were the case then JK and everybody else interferring would have surely put a bullet in her head.

In every investigation I have heard of LE tells the family very little. And with a loose canon like JK this is probably wise.

They were hoping to eventually find a live Sam being held captive. That would be the best case scenario. Chances are IF she was alive at some point, with him being in jail I highly doubt she is now. But regardless they still need to find her. IMHO it's not looking promising.

Again I ask you where should the search? To say they should search every inch of Anchorage is just ignorant. I mean yes that would be wonderful but totally unrealistic and impossible. Why isn't the community out searching for her? LE only has so many resources and so many people.

 

[GutFeeling!]

As a rule here, LE bashing generally isn't allowed. And respectfully, in order to protect the investigation, they can't release stuff under the FIOA. I understand you are a reporter, but honestly you can't expect them to release everything they know, can you?
JMO, MOO, IMO, and all other disclaimers.

Certainly not. That would be a nightmare, there is a difference between releasing everything and releasing information helpful to the public.

If they were on to this man that they themselves consider dangerous to the public then he should have been taken off the streets early, not 'watched' and wandering all over the country, hence putting all those people at risk. He had a weapon, to our knowledge he never used it, but isn't that usually a matter of time?

If you remember back to the first word of this they released a photo that looked nothing like her. They said they had seen the video and then released a photo of Samantha, I assume, when she went for her drivers license.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Certainly not. That would be a nightmare, there is a difference between releasing everything and releasing information helpful to the public.

If they were on to this man that they themselves consider dangerous to the public then he should have been taken off the streets early, not 'watched' and wandering all over the country, hence putting all those people at risk. He had a weapon, to our knowledge he never used it, but isn't that usually a matter of time?

If you remember back to the first word of this they released a photo that looked nothing like her. They said they had seen the video and then released a photo of Samantha, I assume, when she went for her drivers license.

Do they worry more about possibly keeping Sam safe and alive or the safety of the general public? If he had her captive somewhere then going public with his info would not have been in her best interest would it?

 

[joslmaman]

GutFeeling wow just wow. Where do you suppose they should search? How deep is the snow right now? I would assume if they had an idea on where she might be they would have already searched it by now. Why do you suppose they are asking for the publics help on the whereabouts of this truck? It's not easy to just search! Where?

I truly believe they thought he was holding her captive and possibly even took her out of the State when he left. You don't think they were following him and watching him? The problem is if he already did away with her and disposed of her that night they probably weren't following him then. She may not even be in anchorage! Remember he left in early FEB, then came back then left again. I think they were hoping she was alive and eventually he would lead them to her. If that were the case then JK and everybody else interferring would have surely put a bullet in her head.

In every investigation I have heard of LE tells the family very little. And with a loose canon like JK this is probably wise.

They were hoping to eventually find a live Sam being held captive. That would be the best case scenario. Chances are IF she was alive at some point, with him being in jail I highly doubt she is now. But regardless they still need to find her. IMHO it's not looking promising.

Again I ask you where should the search? To say they should search every inch of Anchorage is just ignorant. I mean yes that would be wonderful but totally unrealistic and impossible. Why isn't the community out searching for her? LE only has so many resources and so many people.

I don't really want to chime in on the LE discussion but, the timeline. Am I correct that we DO NOT know when IK left the state? LE does, but we do not. The only guess we have is from comments on articles..right? Did I miss something? Sure, the comment may have been true, but we really can't count on that as fact.

 

[Fishermom]

I was rereading some of the MSM earliest reports and this one has some unusual comments.

http://www.ktuu.com/news/anchorage-police-looking-for-missing-barista-020212,0,2490584.story

I've read there is a Salvation Army homeless shelter across the street from CGE. Any locals know if this is true? TIA

There is another Salvation Army work training Center, I believe...it is about 2-3 blocks behind where the coffee hut is... I drove by it when we brought our car in for alignment and made a mental note... It is on E. 48th Ave.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I believe a woman came forward and said that her daughter took care of the dogs for 2 weeks while the family was on vacation starting at the beginning of Feb. That's all I know and do not know if this is fact.

 

[joslmaman]

I believe a woman came forward and said that her daughter took care of the dogs for 2 weeks while the family was on vacation starting at the beginning of Feb. That's all I know and do not know if this is fact.

I saw that as well, but when I saw it, it was a comment under a news article. That's all I'm saying. I don't know that it matters, I just think it's easy to get caught up on a point we think is fact because it gets passed around only to realize it's not fact when looking for back up. Not trying to be testy..

 

[Fishermom]

One thing that bothers me (and I believe i have mentioned this before...and this is not meant as a bash, just as a curious observation...) is that APD, relatively soon after the abduction, announced that there was "no public threat". I thought it was strange then (and assumed they had the guy in their sights...or knew this was a fraud case), but given the developments, it seems really risky me to have said this. And as a female resident of the city, it kind of freaks me out. This case is a disturbing one and a statement like that holds some weight...but now we pretty much know it was false...UNLESS they KNEW he was out of state when they said it...which would lend credence to the "they have been following him since the beginning" theory...