AK - Samantha Koenig, 18, Anchorage, 1 Feb 2012 - #2

[sfbaynancydrew]

BBM
do we have anyproof that he is a member or an associate of an OMC? i know he certaintly looks the part, but it seems the press would have reported that. also, no rap sheet.

Sorry, didn't mean that in a derogatory way...just meant that I noticed Dad's friends on FB (his actual real life ones that post) have a lot references to Hell's Angels, motorcycles, pro-marijuana etc on *their* pages (not his). Not that he is directly involved, but I have a feeling he isn't joking about "they know what will happen if he has to come after them", etc. Don't see that Dad has a criminal record at all...in fact, he seems genuine and truly loving...but he obviously lives by a different code than the law. You can tell by how he's offering to go around police surveillance, helping the kidnapper avoid the police, and makes references to a group that will be coming after whomever took Sam if they don't step up. That's all. I'm not even sure I don't have respect for his position to be honest, at very least as a parent I understand it.

I found her Mom to be pretty aloof in the interview video she did. Not at all in despair like poor James . I think it's telling of why Sam has had a lot of pain in her life. Here's a link in case people missed it:

http://articles.ktuu.com/2012-02-06/love_31032415

 

[sfbaynancydrew]

Also the fact that the police have mentioned "retaliation" makes me feel that they know who it is or *may* be. Otherwise...WHO on earth would anyone retaliate against? They also reassured the public they had *nothing* to worry about or fear...which again makes it out to be personal. Why wouldn't you want young women on alert if there a dangerous predator on the loose? It makes no sense.

Again...THIS IS JUST A THEORY...I think Sam *may* have been coerced into assisting with the original burglary...which also may be why they didn't want the public's perception of her damaged or to hinder the search (would also explain the ease of them knowing where/how to disable the cameras if it was planned in advance). But again, she misjudged the situation, she's young and lives by a different code, and something went terribly wrong that she wasn't prepared for.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Hey Jersey -

Did you get a chance to look at her record? I think the answer may be there in a round-about kinda way......

I started but then grew frustrated so walked away. It's time consuming. Wonder why the media hasn't touched on any of it...

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Sorry, didn't mean that in a derogatory way...just meant that I noticed Dad's friends on FB (his actual real life ones that post) have a lot references to Hell's Angels, motorcycles, pro-marijuana etc on *their* pages (not his). Not that he is directly involved, but I have a feeling he isn't joking about "they know what will happen if he has to come after them", etc. Don't see that Dad has a criminal record at all...in fact, he seems genuine and truly loving...but he obviously lives by a different code than the law. You can tell by how he's offering to go around police surveillance, helping the kidnapper avoid the police, and makes references to a group that will be coming after whomever took Sam if they don't step up. That's all. I'm not even sure I don't have respect for his position to be honest, at very least as a parent I understand it.

I found her Mom to be pretty aloof in the interview video she did. Not at all in despair like poor James . I think it's telling of why Sam has had a lot of pain in her life. Here's a link in case people missed it:

http://articles.ktuu.com/2012-02-06/love_31032415

She may have reason to appear aloof & to stay out of the public's eye. Have you seen her cases? She's no stranger to the court system. Just sayin'... Not insinuating anything, just think it's sketchy.

 

[PHB]

hi jerseygirl-
sorry, OMC means outlaw motorcycle club. theyre involved in guns, drugs, prostitution, stolen vehicles, smuggling cigarettes & booze, etc. every bit as bad as street gangs, according to the FBI.
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaw_motorcycle_club"]Outlaw motorcycle club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[Ejenk]

Jame's post is VERY pointed. He's got a good idea of who the person or people are that are responsible for this. I have looked and can't find CB or his mommy. Can someone kindly point me in the right direction through pm? <--noob sleuther here. Jersey, i've seen you in Michelle Parker's thread and Sky Metalwala's i believe. You know your stuff. As a mom of 3 I can assure you that it would probably be best if i was kept off tv if one of my children was to vanish. I would be filled with so much anger and hostility that I would probably fabricate MOB ties just to scare them into returning my baby to me alive. My heart aches for James. He may have ties, he may just be baiting. All I know is that I really don't feel he's involved.
BF seems like a very nice and concerned guy, that being said. She WASN'T AT WORK when he got there to pick her up. Whether you're an immature teenager or a mature adult, you would have to know something's wrong. Unless there was an argument in a prior conversation that would make him believe she would leave before he got there. I don't know. I'm not pointing fingers. There is just SO MUCH that makes no sense in this case. This isn't a missing puppy. I feel like we have no real information on Samantha. Who was she? Was she a homebody that went to work and went home? Did she like to party? Did she have club/gym memberships? It's like she didn't exist outside of the coffee shop.
Please come home safe Samantha your daddy is waiting for you. He will wait for you as long as it takes to get you home.
All MOO of course.

 

[PHB]

i remember seeing a news video of the mother very distraught, pleading for sk's return. could it be she hasnt apperared more bc shes too upset?

 

[sfbaynancydrew]

i remember seeing a news video of the mother very distraught, pleading for sk's return. could it be she hasnt apperared more bc shes too upset?

It's possible. However, knowing she's lived with her Dad for pretty much her entire life is a red flag.

I'm sure her Mom is genuinely upset that she's missing. But she isn't a real presence in this investigation and I'm just assuming this is metaphorical.

 

[CincinnatiKate]

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Please-Help-Find-Samantha-Koenig/328733013838027?sk=wall

 

[sfbaynancydrew]

Omg this makes me tear up... Going to quote Sam's dad bc he wants this put there shared.

http://helpfindsamanthakoenig.com/Forum/index.php?topic=16.msg24#new

Quote:
James Koenig
SAMANTHA, BECAUSE WHEN YOU MEET HER SOUL, YOU WILL RECOGNISE HER IMMEDIATELY. TO THOSE THAT HAVE HER AS A PRISONER, HAD HER AND PASSED HER ON...

This quote is disturbing for a lot of reasons, but from what he is saying it sounds like he believes she is being held (and used, ugh, what a horrible image for a father to deal with) by more than one person.

So who, and why, would a group of people be holding her against her will?

 

[michmi]

One minute I think one thing, the next I think another. This is all so confusing. I'll continue to pray for Samantha's safe return to her dad.

 

[CincinnatiKate]

We are not allowed to sleuth JC's mother--- and the FB post where I found her, has since been deleted. She also has been blocked from posing on the Help Find Samantha FB page so you won't be hearing from her again on there. She def defended her son, and he got his mouth from her. She flat out says her son has been cleared and he was with her the time of the abduction.


hypothetically speaking, if I wanted to copy someones public page who is not to be exposed right NOW, with a "screen cap" and save it as a picture, how would I do that? Assuming this person could be sluethed LATER, could I post a picture of this screen cap?

 

[bdawk20]

This quote is disturbing for a lot of reasons, but from what he is saying it sounds like he believes she is being held (and used, ugh, what a horrible image for a father to deal with) by more than one person.

So who, and why, would a group of people be holding her against her will?

IDK, but it sure sounds like her dad might:

. PLEASE!!! YOU HAVE NO IDEA THE PAIN YOU ARE CAUSING, IF THAT IS YOUR INTENTION, YOU SUCCEEDED, WITH GREAT PAIN. SHE IS NOT A PART OF THE "WHATEVER" "WHOEVER" DID TO YOU, SHE IS AN VICTIM OF CIRCUMSTANCE, NO RELATION TO ANYONE WHO WRONGED YOU, SHE IS NOT WHO YOU WANT, PERIOD


Seems like something makes him think that by taking her, the perp's intention is to cause him(?) pain. Makes it sound personal. Then he says she is a victim of circumstance...what circumstance? Again, makes it sound personal. I would be very surprised if he does not at least THINK he knows what this is about. When he was on Nancy Grace, he said he did not believe Sam knew her actual abductor, but rather that the person was acting on behalf of someone she knew....another indication it's somehow personal.

 

[bdawk20]

We are not allowed to sleuth JC's mother--- and the FB post where I found her, has since been deleted. She also has been blocked from posing on the Help Find Samantha FB page so you won't be hearing from her again on there. She def defended her son, and he got his mouth from her. She flat out says her son has been cleared and he was with her the time of the abduction.


hypothetically speaking, if I wanted to copy someones public page who is not to be exposed right NOW, with a "screen cap" and save it as a picture, how would I do that? Assuming this person could be sluethed LATER, could I post a picture of this screen cap?

She hasn't been blocked on this site:
https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Please-Help-Find-Samantha-Koenig/328733013838027
Sam's dad posted about being sick of bs and mentions CB in a post there @ 1:23 am yesterday. She responded underneath of his post.

I don't know how to copy those pages, though.....sorry

 

[CincinnatiKate]

OK, so Samantha must have somehow screwed up a sale of drugs or guns. She must have unknowingly stopped some business between other people from happening? business that amounted to roughly 70k.


just my guess.

 

[CincinnatiKate]

She hasn't been blocked on this site:
https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Please-Help-Find-Samantha-Koenig/328733013838027
Sam's dad posted about being sick of bs and mentions CB in a post there @ 1:23 am yesterday. She responded underneath of his post.

I don't know how to copy those pages, though.....sorry

@2:23 pm yesterday she says she was blocked from the "new page" and her friends responded that the are not blocked just "filtered" and today that they need to talk about the move via private message and that they are packing and have rented storage units.

 

[dillysmom11]

OK, so Samantha must have somehow screwed up a sale of drugs or guns. She must have unknowingly stopped some business between other people from happening? business that amounted to roughly 70k.


just my guess.

Where are you getting this?

 

[bdawk20]

@2:23 pm yesterday she says she was blocked from the "new page" and her friends responded that the are not blocked just "filtered" and today that they need to talk about the move via private message and that they are packing and have rented storage units.

Maybe they just didn'r delete her previous posts?

 

[CincinnatiKate]

I said JUST MY GUESS. based off gossip, comments on news articles and her fathers heavily worded statement.

 

[Joe Friday]

We are not allowed to sleuth JC's mother--- and the FB post where I found her, has since been deleted. She also has been blocked from posing on the Help Find Samantha FB page so you won't be hearing from her again on there. She def defended her son, and he got his mouth from her. She flat out says her son has been cleared and he was with her the time of the abduction.


hypothetically speaking, if I wanted to copy someones public page who is not to be exposed right NOW, with a "screen cap" and save it as a picture, how would I do that? Assuming this person could be sluethed LATER, could I post a picture of this screen cap?

To capture a screen print you press the key next to F12 which says "Prt Scr" Then you go to "Start" then "Programs" then click on "Accessories" then click on "Paint". The Paint program will open. Click on "Edit" and click on "Paste". This will paste the screen capture on the paint screen. Then click on "File" and click on "Save As" change the file type to "JPEG" and save the screen capture to which ever file you want. Maybe in your pictures.

You can learn more here: [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screenshot"]Screenshot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]