AK - Samantha Koenig, 18, Anchorage, 1 Feb 2012 - #4

[sfbaynancydrew]

Could it be that LE matched this guy up to a stolen credit card being used at the coffee shop prior to the abduction?

For example - maybe he used a CC with the name John Smith on it earlier that morning - talked with her - knew when she'd be getting off --- came back and abducted her. LE go through the days sales - see this purchase using a stolen CC - and are able to make connections with the images of him going in then - to the images of when she was being taken? (Like shoes or something?)

OR, if you guys would read the criminal complaint I posted a few pages back it very clearly states that he is being arrested for "access device fraud" that occurred FEBRUARY 28, 2012-MARCH 13, 2012.

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

My guess is the fraud charge is not directly related to Sam. I dont think she had much (if any) money in the bank or credit.

 

[sfbaynancydrew]

My guess is the fraud charge is not directly related to Sam. I doubt she had much (if any) money in the bank or credit.

Although the dates of activity coincide with APD's public announcement on 3/9 that they thought Sam was still alive, which could mean it was due to activity in her accounts. Now they are stating they do not know if she is alive, which is a new stance.

 

[nursebeeme]

Although the dates of activity coincide with APD's public announcement on 3/9 that they thought Sam was still alive, which could mean it was due to activity in her accounts. Now they are stating they do not know if she is alive, which is a new stance.

perhaps that is because (re: changed stance) that their statement was made yesterday (thursday) but he was arrested on Tuesday (two days previous) and they most likely have had a chance to question him and also have stated that evidence was taken from the white car that links back to Sam's abduction.

:moo:

 

[SurfieTX]

perhaps that is because (re: changed stance) that their statement was made yesterday (thursday) but he was arrested on Tuesday (two days previous) and they most likely have had a chance to question him and also have stated that evidence was taken from the white car that links back to Sam's abduction.

:moo:

Also, too, it appears that they interviewed KA at length. I'm sure she was able to shed some light on a few aspects (even if they weren't outwardly apparent to her at the time).

 

[sfbaynancydrew]

All I have to say is that nothing in this chain of events bodes well for Sam.

 

[nursebeeme]

All I have to say is that nothing in this chain of events bodes well for Sam.

my thoughts and prayers are really with her family and friends today... I cannot imagine how they must be feeling right now....

 

[joslmaman]

What are your thoughts on CB at this point? Completely unrelated?

I can't help but think how bad I feel for JK and their whole family for all the awful things CB and TC spread about them. Most of the mean stuff about JK seems completely false by everyone elses accounts. So sad.

The whole thing is bad enough, but then to be drug through all the other stuff at the same time is just unimaginable.

My prayers are with this family.

 

[SurfieTX]

What are your thoughts on CB at this point? Completely unrelated?

I can't help but think how bad I feel for JK and their whole family for all the awful things CB and TC spread about them. Most of the mean stuff about JK seems completely false by everyone elses accounts. So sad.

The whole thing is bad enough, but then to be drug through all the other stuff at the same time is just unimaginable.

My prayers are with this family.

I think there are more people involved than just IK. CB may have been a connecting social factor. Of course, with no more facts available, this is all just supposition on my part.

MOO..

ETA: The reason I feel there are more people involved is: The staking out of IK's and KA's neighborhood on Monday night and the lady who came to the house with her face shielded that was not, more than likely, KA.

 

[nursebeeme]

What are your thoughts on CB at this point? Completely unrelated?

I can't help but think how bad I feel for JK and their whole family for all the awful things CB and TC spread about them. Most of the mean stuff about JK seems completely false by everyone elses accounts. So sad.

The whole thing is bad enough, but then to be drug through all the other stuff at the same time is just unimaginable.

My prayers are with this family.

completely unrelated (moo)

 

[joslmaman]

I really don't know, so I'm just putting this out there and maybe someone more knowledgeable might be able to say..
The fact that they sealed the files, and he's being held in a federal facility, could that indicate he brought her out of Alaska? Rules change when more states are involved in a kidnapping, right?

Could this indicate that she was brought to TX? I still really can't imagine how that could have happened- but, just curious.

If a suspect just flees on their own to another state, it would be handled differently than if they brought the crime with them?

 

[deca]

So I figure there is only 3 motives that are possible here:
1) jealousy/stalker
2) money?? Unlikely
3) hired out by someone

I really don't see how stealing her credit card (if he did) would be worth an abduction. It is pretty easy to steal a credit card number if you put forth a little effort.

And yes, clerks hardly check names, although it is still risky. I could see using the card at self service gas stations since no one checks. In OR, you aren't allowed to pump own gas and occasionally I have them look at my card so that would be more risky to use a stolen CC.

And I think he would be too smart to use it after the first day or so of her being missing. So I think it is highly likely he got caught for using someone else's card.

Is it still illegal to use someone else's card even if you have their permission? For example: he had his girlfriend's card and had been using it? That would make sense. If you had committed a crime you try to keep your nose clean and keep under the radar. You don't speed- you don't use a cc from a woman that everyone is looking for.

But a lot of people use other's ( like a spouse or parent's) credit cards with permission and most clerks wouldn't do anything and cardholder isn't going to turn you in so no one would be the wiser...unless cops are stalking you, trying to catch you on something that would keep you in custody for awhile....

So maybe he had his gf credit card, was using it thinking he was going to keep under the radar not realizing that it is a crime to use another's card, even with their permission and it gave the cops the perfect excuse to nab him?

 

[nursebeeme]

the access device fraud seems to be the "other issue" and the charges related to the kidnapping are sealed:

While court records are sealed in the case of an Alaska kidnapping suspect caught in Lufkin, documents show him to be charged on a separate issue.

Israel Keyes is being charged in federal court with access device fraud

there is a detention hearing today at 1130:

Facts for the complaint have been sealed, as well as Keyes' initial hearing in federal court.

Prosecutors have filed a motion for detention, citing risk of flight and retaliation as reasons he should not be released on bond.............The detention hearing is scheduled for 11:30 a.m.

http://www.ktre.com/story/17175662/alaska-kidnapping-suspect-charged-with-access-fraud

 

[amysmom]

Wonder why he waited so long (FEBRUARY 28, 2012-MARCH 13, 2012) to use her CC if that's what he did.

He has a kid (from his MySpace page) so is it the girl that's been seen at the TX house?

If he was 'stalking' her why not wait til she came out after her shift to grab her? I'm guessing she didn't get picked up every night by her b/f..Unless he knew there were outside cameras but it seems he knew there were inside ones too but either way he did enough to disguise himself anyway..Did he really also want the $$$ in the cash register that bad? And how much $$$ could there have been on SK's card? It seems she was hurting for $$$ but maybe he didn't know that? So many Q's! When, if ever, will we get the answers?

 

[deca]

I really don't know, so I'm just putting this out there and maybe someone more knowledgeable might be able to say..
The fact that they sealed the files, and he's being held in a federal facility, could that indicate he brought her out of Alaska? Rules change when more states are involved in a kidnapping, right?

Could this indicate that she was brought to TX? I still really can't imagine how that could have happened- but, just curious.

If a suspect just flees on their own to another state, it would be handled differently than if they brought the crime with them?

Credit card fraud is a federal crime handled by the FBI.....and so is kidnapping.

 

[akmama]

I doubt that UK had access to any real construction sites. On his webpage he lists his hourly rate, so he was probably more of a contractor, and his hourly rates are actually pretty low for a qualified contractor in Anchorage, my husband is a contractor and does new construction, and we have many other friends in the industry, his price per hour is a lot lower than the contractors I know. It's more likely he was probably mostly doing small remodeling jobs at peoples homes. I also wonder if the device fraud even had anything to do with SK, or if they were already looking at him and just trying to come up with a reason to search his vehicle/home. If they knew when he went to TX maybe they've just been trying to get him on something. Maybe it was his gfs card and he just signed her name, which your not supposed to do (according to the bank, I'm not even supposed to access my husbands account online w/o setting up my own password, etc.) They could have just been using the cc thing to arrest and search him. Just a thought.

 

[akmama]

IK not UK, sorry guys!

 

[nursebeeme]

I doubt that UK had access to any real construction sites. On his webpage he lists his hourly rate, so he was probably more of a contractor, and his hourly rates are actually pretty low for a qualified contractor in Anchorage, my husband is a contractor and does new construction, and we have many other friends in the industry, his price per hour is a lot lower than the contractors I know. It's more likely he was probably mostly doing small remodeling jobs at peoples homes. I also wonder if the device fraud even had anything to do with SK, or if they were already looking at him and just trying to come up with a reason to search his vehicle/home. If they knew when he went to TX maybe they've just been trying to get him on something. Maybe it was his gfs card and he just signed her name, which your not supposed to do (according to the bank, I'm not even supposed to access my husbands account online w/o setting up my own password, etc.) They could have just been using the cc thing to arrest and search him. Just a thought.

bbm... I was just thinking the exact same thing!

 

[amysmom]

the access device fraud seems to be the "other issue" and the charges related to the kidnapping are sealed:



there is a detention hearing today at 1130:

http://www.ktre.com/story/17175662/alaska-kidnapping-suspect-charged-with-access-fraud

Israel Keyes is being charged in federal court with access device fraud, which is described as "knowingly and with intent to defraud effects transactions with an access device issued to another person to receive payment and a thing of value during any one-year period the aggregate value of which is equal or greater than $1,000."

Is it possible he FOUND her cc? Or maybe it was her check book for all we know..Could be the REAL perp got rid of them..Unless there's actual evidence of him being with SK it's not an unlikely scenario.

And WHO would he retaliate against? I'm stumped on that one big time.

 

[amysmom]

While court records are sealed in the case of an Alaska kidnapping suspect caught in Lufkin, documents show him to be charged on a separate issue.

On a separate issue" not related to the kidnapping at all or SK? I wish they'd make this perfectly clear!!!!