AK - Samantha Koenig, 18, Anchorage, 1 Feb 2012 - #4

[GutFeeling!]

It is probably just me and the fact that it is getting late. But, it seems weird to me the words are "suspected kidnapping" instead of "the suspected kidnapping" or " the suspected kidnapping of Samantha Koenig", in reference to "evidence" found in the car. was the evidence found not "directly linkable" to SK or it could be the way the media "relayed the info"? It does not appear to be a "direct" quote. Just my thoughts, wandering....

Investigators found enough evidence in the vehicle to arrest Keyes for suspected kidnapping.

http://www.ktre.com/story/17171075/lufkin-kidnapping-arrest-tied-to-alaska-abduction

I am a reporter. the word "suspected" is used because he hasn't been formerly charged yet. We don't use the word "alleged" or "allegedly" anymore.

He is suspected because of the evidence found in the car.

 

[hydranc]

In one of the recent interviews, didn't the officer indicate there was a connection between SK and the suspect, or perhaps I misheard? The one with the raw footage.

 

[akmama]

i think they were watching keyes for awhile, especially with the amount of warrants, so it would make sense they would say there was no threat to the public if they were watching.

 

[DadinAK]

I am a reporter. the word "suspected" is used because he hasn't been formerly charged yet. We don't use the word "alleged" or "allegedly" anymore.

He is suspected because of the evidence found in the car.

I was referring to the lack of a specific indication of the "Samantha Koenig" kidnapping....not the "suspected" part. I am a U.S. citizen and I do realize why "suspected" is used.

 

[GutFeeling!]

One thing that doesn't sit with me well was the APD's announcement several weeks back along the lines of there being "no threat to the public". I thought it was odd then...and it made me think that maybe they knew something big that they were holding back on (assumed they knew this was retribution at the time). I suppose if they were watching Keyes for a while, this may have been why they felt they could say this, but...just seems weird.

I agree with you. There are quite a few things that have made me think they knew a lot more than they have been telling. Even if they were watching Keyes it doesn't make much sense.

Why is the father being kept out of the loop?

Why is JK allowed to openly say that he will give the reward money to the person that abducted Sam without involving police, just contact him.

Normally a police department would jump on someone for saying that.

 

[akmama]

Up here, there seems to be at most ,2 degrees of seperation between people, I wouldn't doubt they have some sort of connection.

 

[hydranc]

Up here, there seems to be at most ,2 degrees of seperation between people, I wouldn't doubt they have some sort of connection.

I guess I just misheard, he had a bit of an accent I think. I am from Alaska as well and hope to come home soon....clean air!

 

[akmama]

I guess I just misheard, he had a bit of an accent I think. I am from Alaska as well and hope to come home soon....clean air!

I am not sure if they said there was a connection, I just wouldn't be surprised if there was, just seems up here there's some sort of connection, mutual friend, between almost everyone! I left AK for a few years, was happy to come back, I missed the mountains and the fresh air myself!

 

[GutFeeling!]

I was referring to the lack of a specific indication of the "Samantha Koenig" kidnapping....not the "suspected" part. I am an U.S. citizen and therefore I realize why "suspected" is used.

My mistake. The suspected part caught my attention because of the quote marks. Us folk not being borned here know what that meaned too.

I am not sure what you mean then. The detectives from Anchrage working on the SK case are in Lufkin. To be arrested for kidnapping they have to prove she was kidnapped by this person or for this person by someone else. They had said earlier in the story: "Police say Tuesday's arrest of Israel Keyes is directly connected to that abduction,(meaning Samantha Koenig) but Koenig is still missing."

You're right, it is getting late, or in my case it is early lol

The charges will change in any case, once they figure it all out and decide to put out a press release.

 

[ak81]

I am not sure what you mean then. The detectives from Anchrage working on the SK case are in Lufkin. To be arrested for kidnapping they have to prove she was kidnapped by this person or for this person by someone else. They had said earlier in the story: "Police say Tuesday's arrest of Israel Keyes is directly connected to that abduction,(meaning Samantha Koenig) but Koenig is still missing."

Right, but even if the Anchorage detectives were there because of a connection with Sam's case, (if it was just that he used her cards or something), but then they found evidence not related to Sam but still evidence of kidnapping, they would use that wording. Not necessarily evidence of THE suspected kidnapping.

eta: Wow, I'm too tired to make any sense, I think. But I get what DadinAK was trying to say. Nite everyone!

 

[GutFeeling!]

Who is Sam's mom and I'd like to know just where the hell-O Sam's mom has been and remains?

Her mom's name is Darlene Christiansen.

http://www.ktuu.com/news/ktuu-saman...er-ask-for-her-return-20120206,0,472039.story

 

[hydranc]

Armchair sleuthing is brutal.

 

[GutFeeling!]

Armchair sleuthing is brutal.

LOL Yes it is! Especially with so many interested/intrigued/caring/ knowlegable folks ... and the speculators that can type a page of what-ifs lol

 

[DadinAK]

Originally Posted by DadinAK
I was referring to the lack of a specific indication of the "Samantha Koenig" kidnapping....not the "suspected" part. I am an U.S. citizen and therefore I realize why "suspected" is used.

Originally Posted by GutFeeling!

I am not sure what you mean then. The detectives from Anchrage working on the SK case are in Lufkin. To be arrested for kidnapping they have to prove she was kidnapped by this person or for this person by someone else. They had said earlier in the story: "Police say Tuesday's arrest of Israel Keyes is directly connected to that abduction,(meaning Samantha Koenig) but Koenig is still missing."

Originally Posted by ak81:

Right, but even if the Anchorage detectives were there because of a connection with Sam's case, (if it was just that he used her cards or something), but then they found evidence not related to Sam but still evidence of kidnapping, they would use that wording. Not necessarily evidence of THE suspected kidnapping.

Thanks "ak81" that is what I was trying to say. To "GutFeeling!"(nice moniker btw)...I apologize for what I now see as "snarkiness" in my response to you, I should have left out my reason for understanding the "suspected" thing. That part was unnecessary!! Bad day here, outside of this case, for me.

 

[GutFeeling!]

Originally Posted by DadinAK
I was referring to the lack of a specific indication of the "Samantha Koenig" kidnapping....not the "suspected" part. I am an U.S. citizen and therefore I realize why "suspected" is used.

Originally Posted by GutFeeling!

I am not sure what you mean then. The detectives from Anchrage working on the SK case are in Lufkin. To be arrested for kidnapping they have to prove she was kidnapped by this person or for this person by someone else. They had said earlier in the story: "Police say Tuesday's arrest of Israel Keyes is directly connected to that abduction,(meaning Samantha Koenig) but Koenig is still missing."

Originally Posted by ak81:

Right, but even if the Anchorage detectives were there because of a connection with Sam's case, (if it was just that he used her cards or something), but then they found evidence not related to Sam but still evidence of kidnapping, they would use that wording. Not necessarily evidence of THE suspected kidnapping.

Thanks "ak81" that is what I was trying to say. To "GutFeeling!"(nice moniker btw)...I apologize for what I now see as "snarkiness" in my response to you, I should have left out my reason for understanding the "suspected" thing. That part was unnecessary!! Bad day here, outside of this case, for me.

Ohhhhh I get you now :banghead: Sorry you had a bad day, I can cope with snarkiness. Sorry I was a smartarse. Should we kiss and make-up at this point? I am not sure of protocol in a situation like this :blushing:

 

[DadinAK]

Ohhhhh I get you now :banghead: Sorry you had a bad day, I can cope with snarkiness. Sorry I was a smartarse. Should we kiss and make-up at this point? I am not sure of protocol in a situation like this :blushing:

OK, so you are a "fellow smart-arse" ...got it(you're funny like me)....I think the "making up" part may have already been accomplished.....back to the case....:fence: ....

 

[LucyOso]

Ok....if you say so....and I really didn't want it to get to this. I would suggest the next time you cross ask the officer if you can refuse a US Citizen entry into their own country.

From several sites: U.S. citizens and permanent residents entering Canada by land are required to possess the requisite documentation, and to meet other criteria before they are allowed entry into Canada. Consequently, travelers must also meet the requirements for re-entering the U.S. at the end of their visit.

And: A returning U.S. citizen has an obligation to provide proof of citizenship, and the officer has legitimate reasons to investigate if she suspects the veracity of the citizenship claim. Beginning in June 2009, all U.S. citizens will have to present a passport or other secure document that denotes identity and citizenship when entering the U.S. from Canada.

US Citizens can be detained and refused entry back into the country for multiple reasons. It is more common at airports, however, it does happen at border crossings as well. Especially if they are sketchy about where they were are where they are going.

Really, none of this matters...Semantics... The issue was, could IK have driven SK out of Alaska? Not unless she had a valid passport or enhanced ID that was scanned at both the AK/CAN and CAN/US borders. If he drove at made great time, powered through Canada, they would most likely search him, wondering what the rush was. So, she was not in the trunk. After-all, it would be cheaper to fly. I doubt she has left Alaska.

I do believe in one of the news links I posted it stated the Texas AP was very clear that all the charges from 2/28 until 3/13 occurred in Alaska. He was arrested not too long after that in Texas, so he wasn't there long...

 

[SurfieTX]

“What police are looking for now is people to come forward who may have had involvement with him and his business, Keyes Construction -- possibly if they had given him keys or if he had access to their residents.” said APD spokesperson Anita Shell.

Police say there may have been evidence left behind inside some of these homes.

http://articles.ktuu.com/2012-03-16/apd_31202922

 

[SurfieTX]

Sounds to me like LE believes Samantha never left Alaska.

 

[Snowbunny]

Do we know if SK's cell phone was ever found? Is it possible that IK used SK's cell phone to make a purchase with a stolen credit card and that's what they found in the vehicle? I'm trying to figure out what is meant by "access device fraud." If it was the cell phone LE found when they searched his vehicle down in TX and most cell phones have a GPS in them that may be how APD knew when he left AK.