AK AK - Steve Keel, 61, missing from hunting trip, from TN - Aug 27, 2022

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I’m going to re-post my question from ^^^^^.

I wonder if their permit was for Mile 336? So, at Mile 349 where they situated themselves, they were actually hunting where they weren’t permitted?

If that’s the case, the points where we all were scratching our heads start to make sense.

This would explain why there was confusion at the get-go about the mile markers: the hunters didn’t want it known that they weren’t where they were supposed to be. It would also explain the long delay in getting help: not so great calling attention to yourselves if you’re not where you’re supposed to be. SK might also have tried to get himself un-lost for much longer than he might otherwise, and thus made the whole situation worse, by making the search area impossibly huge.

Maybe it was BC’s idea to move and he’d had to persuade SK?

I wonder if, at some point, they were hunting in 336? And SK’s brain was organized to that landscape? And if his brain went gappy for some reason…This is starting to make sense to me…

I wonder if they had trouble schlepping their stuff in at 336? Or, maybe they couldn’t get water or something, this being DIY and they’d forgotten to address major necessities and limitations (like the weight of stuff and the need for water). Then, they got hold of @Gardenista ’s map with the trail marked in, so they decided to move over there? It was conveniently near a lake, evidently an actual route… And there actually appeared to be caribou there (if you, in ignorance, pick a location without suitable water, there aren’t going to be caribou, either…)
@Gardenista Do you have the map for the area at 336? Maybe we’ll see something that’s a deal breaker there that will explain why they didn’t stay there. Whatever their plan, I’m sure WE would make better decisions, and something might jump out at us.

Maybe 336 doesn’t have a hill that would let you scan for miles?

Milepost 336 and 349 are both in Game Unit 26B so there should be no problem there.

You can look at the map here, I'm not sure why they had that milepost wrong.

 
Here's another case that lands on the nexus between a person who does something extremely risky (though not particularly caring), put another climbing party at risk, and risks SAR.

This happened in a remote area in Canada. The woman involved had already had a partner die on Rainier in her presence the year before. She left him there.

Monique Richards version of her story, glorifying herself and her amazing risk-taking:

SAR's version of her story in cbc (Canadian Broadcast Co, MSM), after disparaging push back: Behind the scenes of the rescue of the last solo climber on Mount Logan.

She even requested a specific rescue device....

This story makes my head spin.
The arrogance and pride of this woman make my head spin. I have always lived by the truth that you haven’t completed your summit until you have fully descended (and not by helicopter!). Thank you for sharing and I’m shocked The American Alpine Club would publish her trip report after she put so many at risk by pushing onward and upward in poor weather.
 
The arrogance and pride of this woman make my head spin. I have always lived by the truth that you haven’t completed your summit until you have fully descended (and not by helicopter!). Thank you for sharing and I’m shocked The American Alpine Club would publish her trip report after she put so many at risk by pushing onward and upward in poor weather.
The AAC published her trip report, but I believe later they put in the reports from SAR and the father/son team on the ground. Yep, her arrogance is astonishing. She used up her batteries posting Instagram photos, and she communicated with SAR via her agent. Totally unprepared.

For comparison with this case...the demands on SAR can be completely out of proportion with the resources that are available, even a day's flight away.
 
Milepost 336 and 349 are both in Game Unit 26B so there should be no problem there.

You can look at the map here, I'm not sure why they had that milepost wrong.

I'm thinking they could have moved camp from 336 to 349. I want to know why.....
 
But at the same time the caribou hunting area that was closeby the pack wasn't touched either. Not only that but it was sometime before like the day before that and hours later the next day I believe, that the caribou hunt occurred. Its still a large timeframe. Even the cache wasn't found the day Steve went missing there's quite a bit of time in between.
Rickshaw Fan said:
I believe BC was able to get to SK’s meat cache without any issues. And the cache was intact.

Because of that, it seems unlikely to me (but whaddo I know) that SK remains were harvested by a predator in that time frame. However, different predators have different tastes, SK was a predator himself and not an inert meat cache, timing and precise location matter. So, there are a lot of variables.

Eeeeeek, now an ad wants me to buy “Data-driven cemetery management software”: I guess I used some keywords in that paragraph.

MY NEWLY CORRECED POST
I responded to RickshawFan's post but in mypost I was unclear at what I meant. So I'll try again. I was talking about the hunt which happened earlier than the finding of the pack. I was just trying to corelate the timeframe which IMO is quite a while from the time the cache pack was found to the time, the actual hunt and the entrails being left at the hunt site from the time official search began. So based on the timeframe if no scavengers touched anything including the hunt area then if Steve was deceased near to the area then he should be found is what I was trying to express. If Steve had nothing to survive with I doubt he would get far because he would have fallen to the elements so we may be able to guess how far he may have gotten based on what he didn't have and the elements even if he travelled at night some then he should be found in one of the directions IMO.
 
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Just to clarify, Steve decided to leave his pack with the meat in it on the way back to camp the day before he disappeared (due to not feeling well).
The following morning he went to collect it after a morning coffee. It is unknown if he made it back to the pack as the pack was in the same place (seemingly untouched) when his friend went to find him.
I reposted my quandry and clarified it. I didn't convey what I was trying to say very well.
 
I'm thinking they could have moved camp from 336 to 349. I want to know why.....
IMO it would be it would be difficult to take everything and reset it up. I mean its cumbersome. Afterall they wanted to relax and spend time doing what they enjoyed together, so I find it extra burden to do this. Wasting time and spending energy moving instead of doing what they came to do. IDK
JMO.
 
IMO it would be it would be difficult to take everything and reset it up. I mean its cumbersome. Afterall they wanted to relax and spend time doing what they enjoyed together, so I find it extra burden to do this. Wasting time and spending energy moving instead of doing what they came to do. IDK
JMO.
I’m thinking they had trouble with the terrain, so they had to move.
 
Thank you for that. Interesting, that she doesn't feel AT&T has given her the very last ping on his phone, and that Apple is refusing to give the last coordinates.

I was really hoping, though, that she'd flesh out more about how they got to the camp site in the first place - that would shed light on just what Steve is capable of, as far as distance hiking and ability to port heavy stuff.
 
Still on the jag of maligning North Slope LE and SAR, as though they've been "withholding resources". This is just so unfortunate....
Yes. It is so hard for people in the Lower 48 to understand the risk calculation of those in authority in Alaska. It's called The Last Frontier for very good reasons. Pioneers died on many frontiers because of tiny miscalculations & there was no SAR available. You can ask someone to risk their life to potentially save yours. But you can't demand it.

It is the most important takeaway from this event. Rescue that may imperil rescuers will not be coming. Accept that risk or do not venture into the Far North.
 
Yes. It is so hard for people in the Lower 48 to understand the risk calculation of those in authority in Alaska. It's called The Last Frontier for very good reasons. Pioneers died on many frontiers because of tiny miscalculations & there was no SAR available. You can ask someone to risk their life to potentially save yours. But you can't demand it.

It is the most important takeaway from this event. Rescue that may imperil rescuers will not be coming. Accept that risk or do not venture into the Far North.
It's not even rescue, at this point. It's gotta be recovery.

IMO their local LE/SAR in Dover need to be touching base with this family, so they have a better understanding of SAR risk, mission, terrain and get better insight into how decisions are made. Also, to make clear that resources are not inexhaustible.
 
It's not even rescue, at this point. It's gotta be recovery.

IMO their local LE/SAR in Dover need to be touching base with this family, so they have a better understanding of SAR risk, mission, terrain and get better insight into how decisions are made. Also, to make clear that resources are not inexhaustible.
Grief makes people unreasonable. If my husband went missing this way, I would be frantic to do anything & everything at any cost.

However, that would not be reasonable given known facts here. Winter conditions are going to make recovery, if it happens, a long way off.

I think if the Dover search team were interviewed about the natural barriers to their search (fog, terrain, etc.), a better understanding could be had. They didn't really stay that long. I think at least you and I know why @RickshawFan.
 
Thank you for that. Interesting, that she doesn't feel AT&T has given her the very last ping on his phone, and that Apple is refusing to give the last coordinates.

I was really hoping, though, that she'd flesh out more about how they got to the camp site in the first place - that would shed light on just what Steve is capable of, as far as distance hiking and ability to port heavy stuff.
I think maybe she's unfamiliar with those details? Maybe they had the kind of relationship where he did his "guy stuff" (e.g. hunting), and didn't share, and she assumed he knew what he was doing? If there was a health issue, she might not have been aware of that either? Some guys don't like to mention health realities.

I guess I'm saying this, because back home in TN, it doesn't seem like folks are aware of the risks SK was taking. So, I assume it's not something they discussed. It maybe just isn't on their radar at all.
 
Yes. It is so hard for people in the Lower 48 to understand the risk calculation of those in authority in Alaska. It's called The Last Frontier for very good reasons. Pioneers died on many frontiers because of tiny miscalculations & there was no SAR available. You can ask someone to risk their life to potentially save yours. But you can't demand it.

It is the most important takeaway from this event. Rescue that may imperil rescuers will not be coming. Accept that risk or do not venture into the Far North.
There are parts of Alaska, and seasons, that are extremely dangerous. I'm not sensing this is one of those places. You are at risk for getting lost, apparently, and you have to pack in all your stuff and carry it and walk forever (or hire someone to do it for you), but otherwise, this doesn't appear to be an unusually dangerous place, in August, which is when he got lost. None of the civilians who went to search for him - his sons, and the group of 5 guys from Tennessee, appeared to encounter any serious challenges. Not like if you're hiking a steep trail in an area where the temperatures are extremely hot and dry, and there's no shade. You can't drive out there, and you can't put a helicopter down, so those are logistical hurdles you have to contend with. Otherwise, up until recently when the weather will be turning cold, this doesn't seem to be an inherently dangerous place. Even that guy with the dog wandering around out there doesn't seem to have encountered difficulties.
 
There are parts of Alaska, and seasons, that are extremely dangerous. I'm not sensing this is one of those places. You are at risk for getting lost, apparently, and you have to pack in all your stuff and carry it and walk forever (or hire someone to do it for you), but otherwise, this doesn't appear to be an unusually dangerous place, in August, which is when he got lost. None of the civilians who went to search for him - his sons, and the group of 5 guys from Tennessee, appeared to encounter any serious challenges. Not like if you're hiking a steep trail in an area where the temperatures are extremely hot and dry, and there's no shade. You can't drive out there, and you can't put a helicopter down, so those are logistical hurdles you have to contend with. Otherwise, up until recently when the weather will be turning cold, this doesn't seem to be an inherently dangerous place. Even that guy with the dog wandering around out there doesn't seem to have encountered difficulties.
I respectfully disagree. The Dover team should have found him if what you say is true.
JMO
 
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