Recovered/Located AL - Casey White, prisoner, & Vicky Sue White, CO w/sher office, Lauderdale, 29 Apr'22 *Reward* #2

[nhmemorymaker]

No cuz we don't want them

yeah.... i know that. .... but are people still able to sneak through the woods up there!!!???

 

[Springrain]

I wouldn't be surprised if this couple is heading west: Texas, Arizona, NM, Baja, even the Pacific Northwest, etc.

I lean this way, too. Florida is, IMO, probably a red herring. I am in the Pacific Northwest and keeping an eye out for them, because you never know - they could be anywhere. She might be easy to overlook with dyed and cut hair and a mask covering her face, but you can't overlook Casey.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

There may have been a scramble with him being in Lauderdale County Jail for a very limited time, like I'm not sure if this would have been his last day.

CW was set to go to trial in April 2022, but trial was continued to June. Maybe he was going to be transferred back to state prison until his trial in June.

 

[sds71]

The Lauderdale County corrections officer charged with assisting an inmate who has been charged with capital murder has been fired from her job, Sheriff Rick Singleton said Wednesday.


While Vicky White had planned to retire, her termination will cost her state-funded contributions to her pension, Singleton said.

Vicky White fired, losing pension: Police releasing car info ‘set us back,’ Alabama sheriff says

 

[SpanishInquisition]

CW was set to go to trial in April 2022, but trial was continued to June. Maybe he was going to be transferred back to state prison until his trial in June.

White was set to be transferred back to Bessemer at the time of his escape from the Lauderdale County Jail.
Escaped inmate went back and forth between Lauderdale County Jail and state prison | WHNT.com

 

[wary]

There may have been a scramble with him being in Lauderdale County Jail for a very limited time, like I'm not sure if this would have been his last day.

And wouldn’t the whole problem with retirement benefits be that she couldn’t get any until she was retired, but if she’s retired, she can’t help him escape?

Or is there way to get the benefits before you’re retired? Pull the money you’ve contributed back out?


Moo

 

[Springrain]

IMO, Canada would be a terrible plan for them and I think they would know that. Canada is very expensive, it's cold (especially for two people from Alabama!), harder to cross into than Mexico. I feel they went west. I wouldn't be surprised if they were in California, Oregon, or Washington (my state ), nor would I be surprised if they were in Northern Mexico, or border states Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, or the aforementioned California. I think it is more likely they are in the US, but not impossible they are in Mexico.

 

[ReadingWritingThinking]

Does anyone know why CW’s trial was pushed back to June?

 

[Curiousobserver]

Yeah.... I have un-thunk the Mexico plan for the same reason.... Further West? I wonder where the tattoos are on his body... they may not be easy to hide... but would probably fit right in in the northern Western states.... just babbling here. I still think trying to get out of the country would be plan 3.0.... Canada???????

Wherever they are heading, she seems to have thought this out and taken specific actions well before the break-out day. All of that will leave a trace on her phone, home computer, work computer, car electronics etc... I don't think she did all that planning to then just randomly drive around hoping they are safe. She has/had a destination in mind, she has a plan, and she would have had to research it beforehand. She likely has visited the location(s) to pre-position supplies and understand her risk. Somebody might be helping her which would shield them from view. You have to communicate with that person, coordinate a little. Right now she's ahead of LE but very shortly they are going to start to connect the dots.

 

[CharlestonGal]

With all the planning, why wasn't this one set up better... She sold the house 5 weeks ago... less than market value, i read somewhere. I am wondering if this escape plan "got moved up"... why would she leave the retirement benefits dangling....

She had to leave her retirement benefits dangling else she wouldn't have been able to get him out of there. Before you go to your final retirement appointment you have to complete a long checklist and get a bunch of signatures that you have turned in your badge, weapons, access cards, patrol car, terminated computer access, settled your gov travel card account, turned in all your keys, etc etc. If she had actually gone through and completed all those steps she would have lost the ability to break him out of there in the first place.

She couldn't complete her retirement package before breaking him out. That's a no-go.

Now, it's possible she forged all that documentation and did process through HR behind the sheriff's back. Thinking she could secretly outprocess (with forged documents and signatures) but keeping her badge, gun, patrol car and access to the jail as usual. Who knows with this lady and this incompetent county? jmo

 

[zecats]

And wouldn’t the whole problem with retirement benefits be that she couldn’t get any until she was retired, but if she’s retired, she can’t help him escape?

Or is there way to get the benefits before you’re retired? Pull the money you’ve contributed back out?


Moo

Doubt it. I have a pension from retiring as a teacher. The payment comes monthly and is a month behind. So I waited a month for the first payment and receive one monthly now through direct deposit. No choice on the direct deposit thing.

Point is, she'd could have submitted the papers early for a certain date, but then would most likely have to have a bank account listed to receive them starting a month later (as you're still receiving employment $ that last month). And most definitely not all at once, as benefits terminate when the person terminates, iykwim.

 

[SpanishInquisition]

And wouldn’t the whole problem with retirement benefits be that she couldn’t get any until she was retired, but if she’s retired, she can’t help him escape?

Or is there way to get the benefits before you’re retired? Pull the money you’ve contributed back out?


Moo

She might have thought that her paperwork would go through and payments would be made into her bank account with her being seen as the victim where they'd sympathetically process her paperwork while she was missing and presumed kidnapped. My thinking was her plan was to go to some non-extradition country and make withdrawals from there, which once her retirement kicked in she would have to be convicted to lose it. She would have outed herself as an accomplice once she was out of reach of the law. I would think getting convicted in absentia would take a long time and in the meanwhile she'd be reaping in the money in some 3rd world country where the money goes far. She actually might be very evil if she was attempting to play off people's sympathies with her retirement while plotting an escape with a serious criminal and if she was involved with his 2020 escape attempt she might have plotted killing/injuring other prison officers.

 

[MinnyPin]

She had to leave her retirement benefits dangling else she wouldn't have been able to get him out of there. Before you go to your final retirement appointment you have to complete a long checklist and get a bunch of signatures that you have turned in your badge, weapons, access cards, patrol car, terminated computer access, settled your gov travel card account, turned in all your keys, etc etc. If she had actually gone through and completed all those steps she would have lost the ability to break him out of there in the first place.

She couldn't complete her retirement package before breaking him out. That's a no-go.

Now, it's possible she forged all that documentation and did process through HR behind the sheriff's back. Thinking she could secretly outprocess (with forged documents and signatures) but keeping her badge, gun, patrol car and access to the jail as usual. Who knows with this lady and this incompetent county? jmo

Now it finally makes sense to me, great explanation! She had to make a choice, and she chose CW.

 

[killarney rose]

Because of CW’s tattoos, I see the most logical way they are hiding out is to have been taken in by a group of white supremisists/survivalists. They could remain hidden indefinitely with them.

 

[ReadingWritingThinking]

Even if VW lost the state funded contributions to her retirement fund, she will still have a decent amount of her own contributions saved up from her 17-25(?) years of work. She could have withdrawn her own funds with just a 10% federal tax penalty for early withdrawal. If she sold her house for well below it’s worth, it seems she’s more interested in immediate cash and less in getting the full value of anything.

 

[meanmaryjean]

If she fooled everyone who knew her, the woman knows how to work secretly. "The silence and stealth of a hungry cat". She could have been setting up lots of things way in advance of their departure. We have seen plenty of law enforcment folks who have the most criminal minds!!!
Now I really do want to know how far back their relationship goes.
Could she "hide" everything with second phones, or alias's??

And still am befuddled about her attempting to set up the retirement monies....

I wonder if she set up a beneficiary and that was the reason for turning in the paperwork prior to the event? She seems still quite close to her ex's family. Perhaps it was to benefit one or more of them.

 

[Teche]

Because of CW’s tattoos, I see the most logical way they are hiding out is to have been taken in by a group of white supremisists/survivalists. They could remain hidden indefinitely with them.

IMO:
I can't see white supremacists taking them in because of the attention of LE and the FBI.

 

[CharlestonGal]

She might have thought that her paperwork would go through and payments would be made into her bank account with her being seen as the victim where they'd sympathetically process her paperwork while she was missing and presumed kidnapped. My thinking was her plan was to go to some non-extradition country and make withdrawals from there, which once her retirement kicked in she would have to be convicted to lose it. She would have outed herself as an accomplice once she was out of reach of the law. I would think getting convicted in absentia would take a long time and in the meanwhile she'd be reaping in the money in some 3rd world country where the money goes far. She actually might be very evil if she was attempting to play off people's sympathies with her retirement while plotting an escape with a serious criminal and if she was involved with his 2020 escape attempt she might have plotted killing/injuring other prison officers.

She had to know it doesn't work that way. She's been in this system for 25 years. She was active duty when she went "missing" and would have remained on active duty until the situation worked itself out. They wouldn't have processed her retirement without her presence. Similar to when we had active duty members go AWOL. They remained on active duty with a status of "UA" (paid or unpaid according to the circumstances). No further processing would be done unless something happened that would trigger that. Person is located. Person is dead. Other than that it just remains in limbo. jmo

ETA: I just saw that she was officially fired today. So that's that. She'll just be processed out of the system as terminated. Not retired.

 

[Herat]

I think their Alabama accents are going to stick out like a sore thumb in Canada or the far west. I think Canada would be a huge risk for people who have never been there. They are going to be far too conspicuous.

Mexico? That's a more difficult one for two people that I don't think can speak a bit of Spanish and his height will make him easy to trace.

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I think too much planning has gone into this to end up in any place she has talked about, like the beaches of Alabama or Florida. There has been a lot of work, years likely, gone into planning this. Probably has internet bank accounts set up using on of her aliases.

Follow the money. A forensic audit of her spending and funds would likely find the trail. You can't live on a cash basis forever, especially with a con artist like him. The money will start to get tight in a couple of months. This doesn't seem like a quiet couple going to life modestly and inconspicuously together.

 

[sds71]

I wonder if Vicky was the Deputy

"During the struggle, he got one of the deputy's holster and gun," the sheriff said. "He never got the gun out of the holster."

Man threatens to jump from courthouse window, grabs deputy's gun

Sheriff Rick Singleton said he's thankful no major injuries were reported. One deputy sustained a minor injury to her head during the struggle.

Judge promises mental evaluation to disarm inmate