Recovered/Located AL - Casey White, prisoner, & Vicky Sue White, CO w/sher office, Lauderdale, 29 Apr'22 *Reward* #3

[Sundog]

EXACTLY. If she told her Mom she’d like to retire to a Florida beach, that had to be to throw her off the trail, and then head for Canada or Alaska.

Also, by talking about retiring to a beach, she sends the message to co-workers and family that she will be leaving the area.

 

[LaborDayRN]

Buying clothes for someone his size is difficult. If he has limited clothes- it needs to be comfortable and or ‘not look ill fittin’ as to draw attention to him. At least they know what hes wearing now {cut,color,style} Thats a bonus.

This is true but I would think to assure the clothing fit would require him to go in a try them on. That wouldn't make sense since he (and she) would most likely be recognized. Buying them beforehand would offer them the ability to have something for him to wear right after their escape even if the fit was off a bit.
In all honesty though she may have purchased clothing before and then again after they left the jail.

 

[DancingMuse]

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I'm curious to know what others think about the stereotypes in place here and how they may have operated to motivate these two, but esp. Vicky, both before and after the jail escape.

My opinion only

BBM
Agreeing with you, WingsOverTX,

Again, so much wisdom, expertise, good humor, and compassion on Websleuths. I am always impressed with ALL of your cogent thoughts.

I will preface what I am about to say: This is not a plea to feel sorry for either of these two fugitives. They are responsible for their behavior by the very fact that they are ADULTS in our society. They are likely to cause..... more deaths before they are caught. CW has caused deaths in his past, ...perhaps several. Maybe his own brother. Maybe his ex-girlfriend. VW has badly betrayed the Public Trust. This makes me angry. I can not feel sorry for them at this point.

That being said.....

Yes, W.O.TX, Stereotypes ABOUND when it comes to VW'S character. I am trying to understand her.
I am trying to understand him also.

I have a potential explanation for CW's character. NOT an excuse.

There is the very real possibility that .....perhaps...... CW is suffering from CTE. Several news sources, have provided this info: (or alluded to it) "He was a football player at West Limestone High School, according to former classmates, and grew up in rural Lester, Alabama." Unfortunately, I can't find the links now for some reason. I will keep looking.

Did he have any concussions while playing HS football?

Was he always a handful growing up as a child? Or, did his behavior become impulsive and erratic, perhaps increasingly violent, after High School?

There are a lot of questions. I am just trying to understand ..... how a man like him would development over the years, into the HOT MESS that he is.

MOO

 

[LaborDayRN]

I honestly agree. I don’t really see her as sinister. She liked to be useful and feel needed IMHO. She could have genuinely thought she was helping this guy who actually hadn’t yet been fully convicted of murder. He probably claimed innocence. But MHO.

I'm just not able to muster ANY sympathy for VW. None. She's the only reason that this violent offender is back on the streets.

 

[Sundog]

Excellent question. Someone here prob knows better than me, but I suspect if Pat Davis reported it (or if LE is monitoring PD’s phone), they may have a way of tracing the number that called and seeing what towers it pinged off of.

I doubt she will call her mother, but I wonder if she left a note or mailed a note or card to her before she went on the run and told her not to worry about her, that it might be awhile before she would be in touch again, and that she loved her. It could be that they aren't reporting these kind of personal details to the media. I suppose she could send an email to her mother, but that could be traced. I wonder about some of those websites where you can send a greeting card to someone, if they can be traced, it would be a third party email provider, and would probably take some time to get a warrant to get that information, but it is probably possible.

On the other hand, if VW left her mother a note or sent her a note as they left town, then it is possible her mother isn't expecting a communication from VW today.

 

[Bravo]

We need a few new bread crumbs to chew on IMO

 

[Nah]

IIRC, someone posted earlier that in Alabama, the law is that you lose your lifetime benefit monthly payouts if you commit a felony while working for an employer covered by the state retirement system. So if she is convicted, she would lose her monthly benefits. But she is entitled to a payout if the money she paid into the state fund over the years she was employed in state government, plus the interest on those funds that were in her retirement account over the years. So she could get a sizeable payout with interest for the 16 years she worked at the prison. Don't know if she worked for the state prior to this.

That’s why I posted the handbook and it sounds like maybe she could have withdrawn her retirement….????

 

[LaborDayRN]

We need a few new bread crumbs to chew on IMO

We sure do. A whole loaf would be even better!!

 

[SMK777]

We need a few new bread crumbs to chew on IMO

Yes, it’s disconcerting to look up the news and realize it’s basically stuff that was out days ago…

 

[Kapua]

Interesting. Some of you would likely know better than me. But as a man, I was thinking maybe as a female officer among staff that seems to include a lot of men that she would maybe feel pressured to kinda be a “guy’s girl” — tough exterior; to stay unemotional; to go along with crass humor — that sort of thing. She may have empathized with prisoners more than she let on because she didn’t expect her peers to relate.

Great perspective. I've been the only female on teams at work, but I work in tech, not a prison. There's definitely a way to relate, and I am sure VW had to figure that out. She'd have to relate to her male peers as well, and as you say, that includes being OK with crass humor as well as not cringing at profanity and not taking offense easily. You cannot be a delicate little flower. JMHO

 

[zecats]

We sure do. A whole loaf would be even better!!

Ans stamped with aa MSM link.

 

[Sundog]

I agree. If we sit here and try to analyze the logic behind leaving the car where it was left or the spray paint, we can go around in circles. However, it just doesn’t seem like it was done in a last ditch effort. There would have had to be more evidence around. People in the area saw the car, tow truck, etc but never reported seeing the two of them. If it was a last minute thing, how could they get out of the situation without any detection? As you said, the Ford had to have had some supplies, etc in it if that was to be their only vehicle and it didn’t work out. How did they transport the supplies? The spray paint cans.. where are they? Seems more intentional than not. And it’s possible that they or the supplies were never in that vehicle to begin with but another one that was the real getaway car.

I agree that this car was probably a burner car (love this term that someone early on posted on this forum to describe it) and that the real getaway car or van or RV was packed with their supplies and firearms, etc. I think she went to the used car lot and had to buy an SUV or large vehicle that CW would fit into, and also at a low cost as they planned to abandon it pretty quickly. So even though it was bronze/copper color, she didn't have much choice, it may have been the only vehicle that fit the criteria (low cost, large enough for CW, and available immediately). There may not have beeen other choices.

 

[Bravo]

We sure do. A whole loaf would be even better!!

How about 2 "White" loaves lol

 

[Sundog]

Many people were puzzled by the retirement thing and her throwing everything away and I was at first admittedly. I am surprised at the throwing away her reputation and financial security but I find it strange you can request retirement one week and then have it set up and all the admin signed off to take effect for a certain date the following week. I'd have thought you'd have to request this months in advance for it all to happen with payroll and national insurance or whatever the US equivalent is, and the pension service and also for your replacement to be appointed etc.

Anyhoo, she was obviously gambling and praying that admin, wise it, was done in time which is wasn't. If she had have retired that day she'd no longer have had access to get CW out of there as would have had to hand in her fire arms, keys and passes.

Just musing. IMO MOO

You can apply for state government pensions (in most states) at any time after you have "vested" (i.e. met the criteria for age and years of service which VW had already met). It does take a few months to process by the state, but you can apply for retirement pension if vested at any time, you don't even have to be active (i.e. working). But most people want to apply as soon as possible, so there benefits start the 1st of the month after the month they retire and they don't leave money on the table. Some people leave state government jobs and don't retire when they could (they are vested) because they think they will go back to work for the state and later have more years of service so they don't want to retire (i.e. take their state pension). But their lives change and they end up working in the private sector, for example, and then they activate their retirement maybe 5 or 10 years later, but their state pension isn't retroactive, so they have lost the years of monthly payouts they could have had over all those years, but their monthly benefits would start about 2 months after they put in their paperwork, all online now for most government entities.

 

[SMK777]

So even though it was bronze/copper color, she didn't have much choice, it may have been the only vehicle that fit the criteria (low cost, large enough for CW, and available immediately). There may not have beeen other choices.

Yes, many people had mentioned that it was dumb of her to pick such a loud color, but I thought the same: If she needed something large, and cheap, and quickly, she couldn’t be choosy about the color.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

the way they left the vehicle, just sitting at a stop sign apparently? makes it feel like a decoy move. Cuz if you leave a vehicle in a spot like that you're expecting it to be found at most the same day, which it was. However it got towed and then sat in impound for a week before anyone realized that it was their vehicle.

Possible they arranged for someone else to drive the decoy vehicle north while they went south or east or west. But the attempt to paint it suggests they may have been hoping to be able to use it for a longer period. Dunno when it was painted, if it was done maybe by Vicky the night or days before or after they escaped.

It might have been a useful breadcrumb a week ago if they had figured out it was their vehicle the same day. But a week later it's not so useful. Perhaps useful to the extent they can maybe check traffic cameras on I-40 and I-65 and business cameras in the area for that day and possibly get a read on their next ride.

I seriously agree with you on one possibility---> She could have had someone drive the orange car as a decoy in the opposite direction they were going. I find this so plausible. I also believe, and is MOO, that there were possibly one or two people helping in this escape. The green paint, and the backroad location of the Ford still make no sense to me.

One thing I do believe, is that Vicky had put a hell of a lot of time into 'what ifs" for this effort. If she could be so secretive for these two years, that no one she knew had a clue, she is extraordinarily cunning.

She probably had numerous scenarios she was considering for this escape, including many steps to elude and confuse LE. She knew the business of fooling LE from both sides!

 

[SMK777]

the media. I suppose she could send an email to her mother, but that could be traced.

They actually do have 100% anonymous, untraceable email services that you can use now.

 

[Kapua]

I think she needed to be needed. With her ex. With prisoners. With CW. It’s where she drew her worth in my opinion.

Spot on, IMHO. But CW... I am so scared for her. Imagine being with someone who wants to kill his ex. Imagine being with someone who is not mentally stable. Imagine that you have guns and ammunition that he can access. A few people have posted that they have no sympathy for her, and while I can relate to that, I just don't want her to die for her extreme foolishness and lapse of judgement. JMHO

 

[Sundog]

That’s why I posted the handbook and it sounds like maybe she could have withdrawn her retirement….????

It's certainly possible. But to receive the money in her bank account, it would take a couple of months, usually. So maybe she applied for the lump sum payment a few months ago, and already recieved it in her bank account, and withdrew that money, too.

 

[Smccat]

You can apply for state government pensions (in most states) at any time after you have "vested" (i.e. met the criteria for age and years of service which VW had already met). It does take a few months to process by the state, but you can apply for retirement pension if vested at any time, you don't even have to be active (i.e. working). But most people want to apply as soon as possible, so there benefits start the 1st of the month after the month they retire and they don't leave money on the table. Some people leave state government jobs and don't retire when they could (they are vested) because they think they will go back to work for the state and later have more years of service so they don't want to retire (i.e. take their state pension). But their lives change and they end up working in the private sector, for example, and then they activate their retirement maybe 5 or 10 years later, but their state pension isn't retroactive, so they have lost the years of monthly payouts they could have had over all those years, but their monthly benefits would start about 2 months after they put in their paperwork, all online now for most government entities.

Very informative thank you